2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2

[canada_dry]

lol Much better? No. Likely same production. Boucher was just puttin up stats in losses and no where near the shooter of Dekker. He will get squeezed bc of Achiuwa.

I don’t think you realize how bad Dekker is. He’s a career 28% shooter in his 4 years in the NBA. How is he better than Boucher at shooting?

It more has to do with Achiuwa coming in. I dont believe Boucher is a 4 and dont believe he's oging to work next to Achiuwa and I disagree that he's a better shooter than Dekker at this stage since he's much improved aside from inter. line. He put up empty stats and lost games... you are majorly over-rating him.

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How come u dont believe hes a 4 when thats clearly where he played his best to end the year? Thats what i meant earlier lol. U never put him at 4 when 4 is his position now. And dekker as noted above is not good and wont take bouchers minutes. Boucher and achiuwa can play together and dont really play similarly either. Precious can make up where Boucher is weak (interior presence and rebounding) while boucher can fit well next to him with his perimeter shooting, while also now not being bullied by centers 60 pounds bigger than him.

Edit: you're right tho. We will have to wait and see. I just disagree. And thats ok lol

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[canada_dry]

Cuz he's going to get squeezed out methinks. Dekker is a solid shooter and will be needed on that 2nd unit. With Achiuwa, Boucher's play is less needed.

Bruh if you believe Dekker is getting minutes over Boucher. I got a bridge to sell you.

Lmao! this shouldnt even be a question...

Boucher would destroy that league like he did with the G-League team

Webster just mentioned him...you think he would ever think to include Dekker in that conversation lol

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[CanadaB-Ball]

It more has to do with Achiuwa coming in. I dont believe Boucher is a 4 and dont believe he's oging to work next to Achiuwa and I disagree that he's a better shooter than Dekker at this stage since he's much improved aside from inter. line. He put up empty stats and lost games... you are majorly over-rating him.

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I’m not overrating Boucher cause I’m actually not high on him at all. He is definitely better than Dekker though. How can you say he’s a better shooter than Boucher? Based on what? The stats from the 3 point line and FTs suggest otherwise

And yes, Boucher put up stats in losses but Dekker couldn’t even do that on a bad team

We'll see. I dont see a place for Boucher in rotation with Achiuwa now in the fold.

What? Boucher’s legitimately starting quality, and an absolutely elite bench piece.

[dgr81]

That leaves $3.19 million of the MLE left. That can be used all on one player or leveraged to give minimum contracts of more than two years in length (minimums can otherwise only be two years). The Raptors also have the $3.73 million biannual exception available, though as its name states, if they use it this year, they would not have it available next year.

https://theathletic.com/2747849/2021/08/06/raptors-offseason-breaking-down-kyle-lowrys-departure-where-goran-dragic-fits-the-cap-sheet-and-more/

[WuTang_CMB]

I’m not overrating Boucher cause I’m actually not high on him at all. He is definitely better than Dekker though. How can you say he’s a better shooter than Boucher? Based on what? The stats from the 3 point line and FTs suggest otherwise

And yes, Boucher put up stats in losses but Dekker couldn’t even do that on a bad team

We'll see. I dont see a place for Boucher in rotation with Achiuwa now in the fold.

What? Boucher’s legitimately starting quality, and an absolutely elite bench piece.

Lol nah.

[dgr81]

As for the roster itself, ignoring financials, it looks something like this.

PG: VanVleet, Flynn
SG: Trent, Dragic
SF: Anunoby, Barnes
PF: Siakam, Boucher, Watanabe
C: Birch, Achiuwa, Gillespie
905: Banton, Johnson, Champagnie
Tryout: Dekker, Wainright, three more TBD

https://theathletic.com/2747849/2021/08/06/raptors-offseason-breaking-down-kyle-lowrys-departure-where-goran-dragic-fits-the-cap-sheet-and-more/

[Bruin]

We'll see. I dont see a place for Boucher in rotation with Achiuwa now in the fold.

What? Boucher’s legitimately starting quality, and an absolutely elite bench piece.

Lol nah.

Considering Boucher finished 8th in 6th man of the year voting, I think the league begs to differ

Dekker is fighting for a roster spot while Boucher is recognized as one of the leagues best bench players

[dgr81]

Believe it or not, the Raptors already have 17 players on their (unofficial) roster right now. The cap sheet looks as follows, using some assumptions for the deals we don’t have specifics on yet. As an aside, if Dragic were to be bought out, he would only count for his agreed-upon buyout amount, not his full salary.

The Raptors obviously don’t have cap space right now, and it would take a Herculean effort to get to some. They’re better off keeping Birch in the midlevel spot and using the remaining midlevel or biannual exception to round things out. We’ve left the three final roster spots open — teams are allowed to have 20 players until the start of the season — and we can probably assume there won’t be anything too flashy there with the Raptors’ remaining spending power ($3.73 million at most for one player).

What stands out next is that they’re over the luxury tax line. This is not really true — for illustrative purposes, we’re including all of the known names here. A total of $13.82 million of their team salary is non-guaranteed.

The Raptors do have to roster enough players, but they could create greater breathing room under the tax by running with 14 players and a couple of two-ways and/or by using Johnson in one of the main roster spots (your own second-round picks do not get the usual bump-up to the two-year veteran minimum for tax purposes). They could also replace Watanabe and Gillespie with cheaper options, buy Dragic out at a discounted rate or wait until the deadline to trim their cap sheet, as the luxury tax is calculated based on your Game 82 salary sheet.

You want to keep some flexibility around the tax for trade purposes, especially if you’re looking to move Dragic at a later date. You could also just pay the tax, something MLSE has approved in a championship season but the Raptors have never done during this regime otherwise. Like dodgeball and wrenches, there are a lot of ways to duck, dip, dive and dodge the tax.

https://theathletic.com/2747849/2021/08/06/raptors-offseason-breaking-down-kyle-lowrys-departure-where-goran-dragic-fits-the-cap-sheet-and-more/

[Raptorfan2012]

Boucher S&T for Josh Hart?

I think they need another Guard

Yup we could use Hart esp if Dragic may or may not be fully committed to play here. Promote Yuta as the back up PF.

[WuTang_CMB]

What? Boucher’s legitimately starting quality, and an absolutely elite bench piece.

Lol nah.

Considering Boucher finished 8th in 6th man of the year voting, I think the league begs to differ

Dekker is fighting for a roster spot while Boucher is recognized as one of the leagues best bench players

My opinion Achiuwa will eat up what boucher brings. Thats all im saying.

[Bruin]

Lol nah.

Considering Boucher finished 8th in 6th man of the year voting, I think the league begs to differ

Dekker is fighting for a roster spot while Boucher is recognized as one of the leagues best bench players

My opinion Achiuwa will eat up what boucher brings. Thats all im saying.

Lol ok but no, that’s literally not what you’re saying. You’re saying Dekker is better than Boucher and brings more to the table for us, which is definitely wrong

With or without Precious, Boucher is more valuable than Dekker

In fact, I think it’s very likely we see lineups that include both Precious and Boucher playing next to each other this year

[Raptors_128]

Lol nah.

Considering Boucher finished 8th in 6th man of the year voting, I think the league begs to differ

Dekker is fighting for a roster spot while Boucher is recognized as one of the leagues best bench players

My opinion Achiuwa will eat up what boucher brings. Thats all im saying.

You’re setting yourself up for disappointment imo. Boucher put up 14/7 with 2 blocks on 51/38/79 shooting splits. Achiuwa is not even sniffing those numbers.

[Lord_Zedd]

Believe it or not, the Raptors already have 17 players on their (unofficial) roster right now. The cap sheet looks as follows, using some assumptions for the deals we don’t have specifics on yet. As an aside, if Dragic were to be bought out, he would only count for his agreed-upon buyout amount, not his full salary.

The Raptors obviously don’t have cap space right now, and it would take a Herculean effort to get to some. They’re better off keeping Birch in the midlevel spot and using the remaining midlevel or biannual exception to round things out. We’ve left the three final roster spots open — teams are allowed to have 20 players until the start of the season — and we can probably assume there won’t be anything too flashy there with the Raptors’ remaining spending power ($3.73 million at most for one player).

What stands out next is that they’re over the luxury tax line. This is not really true — for illustrative purposes, we’re including all of the known names here. A total of $13.82 million of their team salary is non-guaranteed.

The Raptors do have to roster enough players, but they could create greater breathing room under the tax by running with 14 players and a couple of two-ways and/or by using Johnson in one of the main roster spots (your own second-round picks do not get the usual bump-up to the two-year veteran minimum for tax purposes). They could also replace Watanabe and Gillespie with cheaper options, buy Dragic out at a discounted rate or wait until the deadline to trim their cap sheet, as the luxury tax is calculated based on your Game 82 salary sheet.

You want to keep some flexibility around the tax for trade purposes, especially if you’re looking to move Dragic at a later date. You could also just pay the tax, something MLSE has approved in a championship season but the Raptors have never done during this regime otherwise. Like dodgeball and wrenches, there are a lot of ways to duck, dip, dive and dodge the tax.

https://theathletic.com/2747849/2021/08/06/raptors-offseason-breaking-down-kyle-lowrys-departure-where-goran-dragic-fits-the-cap-sheet-and-more/

Barring any trades, safe to say our offseason is about over..... Didn't think we were that close to the tax.

[CanadaB-Ball]

We'll see. I dont see a place for Boucher in rotation with Achiuwa now in the fold.

What? Boucher’s legitimately starting quality, and an absolutely elite bench piece.

Lol nah.

Lol yah, kid.

41st in aggregate advanced metrics, 94th percentile in EPM, 2.9 BPM, 21.9 PER, .202 WS/48; I hate to break it to you, but Boucher’s a good basketball player.

[Tor_Raps]

Holmes re-signed for 4/47.. just saying lol.

[Raptors_128]

Holmes re-signed for 4/47.. just saying lol.

Good contract imo

[WuTang_CMB]

Considering Boucher finished 8th in 6th man of the year voting, I think the league begs to differ

Dekker is fighting for a roster spot while Boucher is recognized as one of the leagues best bench players

My opinion Achiuwa will eat up what boucher brings. Thats all im saying.

Lol ok but no, that’s literally not what you’re saying. You’re saying Dekker is better than Boucher and brings more to the table for us, which is definitely wrong

With or without Precious, Boucher is more valuable than Dekker

In fact, I think it’s very likely we see lineups that include both Precious and Boucher playing next to each other this year

No you’re incorrect. My argument is Achiuwa will take a lot of what Boucher brings and thus will get squeezed out due to what the bench needs. And my opinion is Dekker will eat his minutes - thats it. You are overrating Boucher.

[Tor_Raps]

Holmes re-signed for 4/47.. just saying lol.

Good contract imo

Great contract!

[WuTang_CMB]

What? Boucher’s legitimately starting quality, and an absolutely elite bench piece.

Lol nah.

Lol yah, kid.

41st in aggregate advanced metrics, 94th percentile in EPM, 2.9 BPM, 21.9 PER, .202 WS/48; I hate to break it to you, but Boucher’s a good basketball player.

Lol salami. He’s overrated and just remember when i said achiuwa will be eating his minutes

[bobbyp3588]

We'll see. I dont see a place for Boucher in rotation with Achiuwa now in the fold.

I don’t see how Precious comes into the fold when it’s a discussion of Boucher vs Dekker

How does the addition of Precious make Boucher less useful but somehow Dekker more useful?

Will come down to fit. Achiuwa will take a lot of what Boucher was supposed to bring. And Dekker i believe will be a better fit. Thats my opinion. Not a fan of Boucher

No way Decker makes the team. Especially not this team. We have “Black lives matter” on our official press backdrop. I have no idea what’s behind the thinking here, but I’d be shocked if he’s a welcome addition to our locker room.

I can see this being a problem from a mile away. Again, shocked we’ve taken an interest. Dismayed as well.