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Re: Updated salary situation for 2021-2022. 

Post#21 » by StopitLeo » Sat Aug 7, 2021 8:34 pm

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Its very confusing praise because we literally lost our entire championship starting lineup for pretty much Precious and Dragic.

I didn't say it's POOR management, it's not great either. just wanted to point out here are definitely some homer's here who have no idea what they are talking about when speaking about asset management. And then having the gull to row his eyes on the topic as if they are onto something, simply laughable. :lol:

I’m Sure just let everyone go for nothing, end up not having long term any contracts is a sure fire way to remain flexible :lol: :lol:


Let me get this straight: you are critical because Ibaka and Gasol, both unrestricted free agents, were let go for nothing….and at the same time you’re critical that the team facilitated a sign & trade of Lowry, also an unrestricted free agent, and got Achiuwa and Dragic instead of nothing?
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Post#22 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sat Aug 7, 2021 10:01 pm

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redeye514 wrote:Not a single untradable contract.

What poor asset management… :roll:


Yay? what exactly are you giving them credit for? Not overpaying anyone on a team that's most likely out of the playoffs? It's not like we have many hot commodities that other franchises are fighting for which we managed to land for a fair price. The only reasonably good contract is OG.

I swear some people just go out of their way to give Masai/bobby praise.


And some just enjoy hearing the sound of their own bitch fest ad nauseum.
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Post#23 » by Los_29 » Sat Aug 7, 2021 10:17 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
Chandan wrote:
Its very confusing praise because we literally lost our entire championship starting lineup for pretty much Precious and Dragic.

I didn't say it's POOR management, it's not great either. just wanted to point out here are definitely some homer's here who have no idea what they are talking about when speaking about asset management. And then having the gull to row his eyes on the topic as if they are onto something, simply laughable. :lol:

I’m Sure just let everyone go for nothing, end up not having long term any contracts is a sure fire way to remain flexible :lol: :lol:


Let me get this straight: you are critical because Ibaka and Gasol, both unrestricted free agents, were let go for nothing….and at the same time you’re critical that the team facilitated a sign & trade of Lowry, also an unrestricted free agent, and got Achiuwa and Dragic instead of nothing?


I don't think they even know what they want anymore. I'm sure they were all aboard team tank but then hate the fact we didn't go out and re-sign Ibaka and Gasol and/or find suitable replacements for them.

Then they want us to go out and make a splash in free agency and give 100m to guys like Jarrett Allen or Richaun Holmes. But then they say we are a treadmill team and need to trade our best player for picks and get younger. Then they are upset because we got Precious who is young and unproven but equally upset because we got Dragic who is proven but old.

I honestly have no idea what they want at this point. :lol:
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Re: Updated salary situation for 2021-2022. 

Post#24 » by c3luong » Sat Aug 7, 2021 10:21 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
Chandan wrote:
Its very confusing praise because we literally lost our entire championship starting lineup for pretty much Precious and Dragic.

I didn't say it's POOR management, it's not great either. just wanted to point out here are definitely some homer's here who have no idea what they are talking about when speaking about asset management. And then having the gull to row his eyes on the topic as if they are onto something, simply laughable. :lol:

I’m Sure just let everyone go for nothing, end up not having long term any contracts is a sure fire way to remain flexible :lol: :lol:


Let me get this straight: you are critical because Ibaka and Gasol, both unrestricted free agents, were let go for nothing….and at the same time you’re critical that the team facilitated a sign & trade of Lowry, also an unrestricted free agent, and got Achiuwa and Dragic instead of nothing?


I wouldn't worry about that guy. By his definition if we let the whole team walk in free agency and then we signed lebron, giannis and steph in free agency somehow we are doing a poor job managing our assets.
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Post#25 » by c3luong » Sat Aug 7, 2021 10:25 pm

Masai is neither blowing the world away nor killing the team. He's just making logical moves based on his vision. It may work out, it may not that's how the NBA works. As much as some folks hate to hear it, most GMs are just making moves that are reasonable.

If you think otherwise, please let me know which of the bottom 10 teams in the league now will be good in 5 years. If some GMs are making great moves and some are terrible, you should be able to tell me today who will be good in the future with certainty.
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Post#26 » by Tofubeque » Sat Aug 7, 2021 11:22 pm

bluerap23 wrote:Here is my updated cap sheet with what I think we know so far. Not sure about the 3rd year (player/team option?) for Birch.
Anyone see any errors?
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Post#27 » by isyed » Sun Aug 8, 2021 3:50 am

bluerap23 wrote:Here is my updated cap sheet with what I think we know so far. Not sure about the 3rd year (player/team option?) for Birch.
Anyone see any errors?
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Looking very tasty for next off season. We will surprise a lot of people with our length and defence and end up being top 4 in the east. Trent will play above his contract and we will get some solid young pieces for dragic at the deadline. Our team will develop some good pieces.

Free agency will allow us to maybe get Beal to bit. We can easily sign and trade Trent, 2021 1st rounder, future 1st plus other salary fillers and young players to Washington for a sign and trade.

He can go to the celtics if he wants and wizards get nothing or he comes to us if Beal really likes where our team is heading and go in next off season with the following :

Fvv/Flynn
Beal/BAE
Og/MLE
Siakam/Barnes
Precious/Birch

Defence and a creator off the bounce.

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Post#28 » by bluerap23 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:05 pm

Updated with new info.

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Post#29 » by DelAbbot » Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:36 pm

Looks like we will be operating above cap for next 2 seasons. No major FA to sign then (not that we could sign major FA anyway).
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Post#30 » by c3luong » Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:47 pm

Yes, that's why the plan is to ride it out with this core for the next 3 years and then "evaluate".
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Post#31 » by DelAbbot » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:28 pm

c3luong wrote:Yes, that's why the plan is to ride it out with this core for the next 3 years and then "evaluate".


We could go a number of directions.

We could package some of them for a disgruntled superstar if an opportunity arises, or trade (Siakam) for future picks and expiring contracts to prolong the rebuild. I think it depends on the development of this core and the new comers (Barnes, Flynn, Achiuwa).
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Post#32 » by hyper316 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:53 pm

It's criminal that Trent is making more money than OG
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Post#33 » by dgr81 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:03 pm

hyper316 wrote:It's criminal that Trent is making more money than OG

good thing he isn't then
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Post#34 » by hyper316 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:09 pm

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hyper316 wrote:It's criminal that Trent is making more money than OG

good thing he isn't then


Ahh I see updated salary now thanks
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Post#35 » by c3luong » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:09 pm

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c3luong wrote:Yes, that's why the plan is to ride it out with this core for the next 3 years and then "evaluate".


We could go a number of directions.

We could package some of them for a disgruntled superstar if an opportunity arises, or trade (Siakam) for future picks and expiring contracts to prolong the rebuild. I think it depends on the development of this core and the new comers (Barnes, Flynn, Achiuwa).


We're further than one piece away though, so it doesn't make sense to trade for a superstar, as realistically we need at least two to contend.

And if Masai trades away Siakam for prospects I will eat a hat. If we get an offer that blows us away, maybe - but there's no precedent for Masai allowing a full rebuild, and we don't have enough talent to keep us afloat if we lose another good player.
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Re: Updated salary situation for 2021-2022. 

Post#36 » by bluerap23 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:28 pm

c3luong wrote:Masai is neither blowing the world away nor killing the team. He's just making logical moves based on his vision. It may work out, it may not that's how the NBA works. As much as some folks hate to hear it, most GMs are just making moves that are reasonable.

If you think otherwise, please let me know which of the bottom 10 teams in the league now will be good in 5 years. If some GMs are making great moves and some are terrible, you should be able to tell me today who will be good in the future with certainty.


Going off of last years bottom 10 I can say with relative confidence that the Raptors will be a very good team in the next 5 years. I would be willing to bet on it. I would not be willing to make a similar wager for the other 9.
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Post#37 » by ForeverTFC » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:48 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:How the heck is Trent making more than OG over the next few years. Unless he improves significantly, this was an overpay once again.


OG's contract is a steal. It'll make most contracts look awful.
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Post#38 » by RapsFanInOhio » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:57 pm

Going to be interesting to see what they do with Boucher next off-season. If we’re out of it at the deadline, he’s almost certainly going to get moved to a contending team. I think Siakam’s injury factored into why he wasn’t moved this summer; he’s probably starting while Siakam is out.

Gillespie is probably on his way out, and Dekker will battle Yuta for the 3rd string 3/4 minutes. Wainwright is probably making the roster as a backup SG. Bonga has an uphill battle but he may be in that mix with Dekker and Yuta for those minutes. Banton and Johnson are virtually locks at this point. Champagnie will have to compete but the two-way is indicative to me that they want to keep him around in the G League, which is the right call.

The biggest question is still obviously the Dragic thing. To me, he’s a natural fit with this roster. He’s a good vet to bring off the bench and he can play PG and be a facilitator - if Flynn or FVV go down, we’re in some trouble as Banton isn’t ready for that. Dallas won’t send back Terry, so if it’s just something like Powell and Brown, you have an overload of guys at the 4/5 and you would really only have two PGs on your roster. I really kind of like Dragic in that spot, at least until the deadline where you can get more of a feel for how we’re playing. If we’re not in playoff contention, obviously you ship him out but if we are I don’t hate the idea of losing him for nothing.

Overall, it feels like we’re deeper than last year somehow.
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Post#39 » by HomieOmey » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:05 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:How the heck is Trent making more than OG over the next few years. Unless he improves significantly, this was an overpay once again.


It's just how contracts work man. I remember there was a brief window when Khris Middleton and Tobias Harris were absolute steals because they signed their contracts in a specific off-season before things changed. If OG finally takes the leap most are hoping for, he'll get much more as soon as his contract is up.
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Post#40 » by HomieOmey » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:10 pm

DelAbbot wrote:Looks like we will be operating above cap for next 2 seasons. No major FA to sign then (not that we could sign major FA anyway).


That's why I'm really hoping we use Dragic and Boucher trades to net someone we can confidently move forward paying $10-20 mill per season. Improving this team via free agency is going to be virtually impossible. Let's try to lock in a great value player before Boucher gets his increase.
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