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Re: WOJ: NBA opening up investigations into possible tampering violations on Ball trade 

Post#181 » by gobullschi » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:41 am

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FriedRise wrote:Meh, didn’t they try Sato + 2nd for Ball at the deadline already? All they did was add Temple in the package. The framework was already there, wouldn’t take all that long to come up with that.


That part's not the issue. It's that the Bulls weren't allowed to be in contact with Ball's camp until 6PM EST on August 2nd, yet they had a deal fully agreed to by 6:02.


AK could get suspended, Bulls could have to forfeit draft picks, and the deal could be blocked by the league. The NBA can also audit all of the teams communications (phone records, texts, emails, etc.)

I can't see the deal being voided though. The player's union would throw a fit now that teams have used all their cap space.
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Post#183 » by BookerBulls » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:43 am

I think the most ridiculous part of this is two-fold.

1. Silver is a rubbish commissioner and seemingly decides just to do things whenever it pleases him and the people that he feels are important ie Lakers, LeBron, Knicks - squeeky wheel gets the oil type crap. If we heard about his stance on tampering all the time and saw these 'threats' and investigations consistently, I would have no issues with this. Hell - we have articles all the freaking time about how some player is actively recruiting some other player; but not a peep from Silver on that. Just be consistent.

2. AKME have been in this world for ages - why are they all of a sudden 'breaking the rules' this time around? I just don't see it.

Once again it comes down to the bane of the NBA over the last few years (maybe even longer) - No Consistency. Maybe they have selected the Bulls and Heat so that they have the appearance of going after the 'Big Market Teams' to appear favourable to the Small Market teams. I think with Silver it is all about appearances rather than actually caring about rules and regulations - which are flaunted (seemingly) on a pretty consistent basis.

My prediction is that some other owner has got their panties in a bunch and complained to Silver and he has put on his 'NBA Daddy' cap to make a point.

Can you tell I reall don't like what Silver has done to the NBA?
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Post#184 » by TheGOATRises007 » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:45 am

Silver is a joke.
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Post#185 » by dukeespn » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:47 am

The best case scenario is that NBA finds nothing special through the investigation.

If they find something things will be really ugly. We already gave up away multiple FRPs and Lonzo is our best wing defender. We could lose both if NBA manages to find something.

Indeed I hope they found nothing special.
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Post#186 » by BullChit » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:54 am

Probably LeBron putting the complaint through as he was upset about Miami and Chicago also being Free Agency winners.
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Post#187 » by Neonblazer » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:55 am

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I can't see the deal being voided though. The player's union would throw a fit now that teams have used all their cap space.

The things is that as far as I know these rules are written in CBA to protect the players interest. So teams wont try to do quick agreements with teams and agents. For example, if it would have been publicly known that Bulls are offering 85M to Ball, other teams could have offered more, but now it looks like the agreement had been made before the deadline so there were no other offers. This would seriously hurt the interest of players.
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Post#188 » by BullChit » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:10 am

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gobullschi wrote:
I can't see the deal being voided though. The player's union would throw a fit now that teams have used all their cap space.

The things is that as far as I know these rules are written in CBA to protect the players interest. So teams wont try to do quick agreements with teams and agents. For example, if it would have been publicly known that Bulls are offering 85M to Ball, other teams could have offered more, but now it looks like the agreement had been made before the deadline so there were no other offers. This would seriously hurt the interest of players.


If it's well known where the player wants to go then surely it doesn't hurt the players interest though...

Having said that I'm sure the rules are totally black and white with no grey interpretation.

The bigger question is if the deal is voided what can the Bulls do to address the point guard issue now?
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Post#189 » by Chewie » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:41 am

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gobullschi wrote:
I can't see the deal being voided though. The player's union would throw a fit now that teams have used all their cap space.

The things is that as far as I know these rules are written in CBA to protect the players interest. So teams wont try to do quick agreements with teams and agents. For example, if it would have been publicly known that Bulls are offering 85M to Ball, other teams could have offered more, but now it looks like the agreement had been made before the deadline so there were no other offers. This would seriously hurt the interest of players.


If it's well known where the player wants to go then surely it doesn't hurt the players interest though...

Having said that I'm sure the rules are totally black and white with no grey interpretation.

The bigger question is if the deal is voided what can the Bulls do to address the point guard issue now?


If it's voided I hear Lonzo Ball may be available.
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Post#190 » by Am2626 » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:43 am

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gobullschi wrote:
I can't see the deal being voided though. The player's union would throw a fit now that teams have used all their cap space.

The things is that as far as I know these rules are written in CBA to protect the players interest. So teams wont try to do quick agreements with teams and agents. For example, if it would have been publicly known that Bulls are offering 85M to Ball, other teams could have offered more, but now it looks like the agreement had been made before the deadline so there were no other offers. This would seriously hurt the interest of players.


As a player with a certified agent on retainer wouldn’t you think they would be smart enough or have enough resources to make a good decision? By the way Lonzo got a good deal. If the NBA wants to crack down do it to the Lakers. I’m sick of this B.S.
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Post#191 » by Michael Jackson » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:47 am

Neonblazer wrote:
gobullschi wrote:
I can't see the deal being voided though. The player's union would throw a fit now that teams have used all their cap space.

The things is that as far as I know these rules are written in CBA to protect the players interest. So teams wont try to do quick agreements with teams and agents. For example, if it would have been publicly known that Bulls are offering 85M to Ball, other teams could have offered more, but now it looks like the agreement had been made before the deadline so there were no other offers. This would seriously hurt the interest of players.


That’s what the signing period is for. Someone can still throw an offer at them until they are signed, Boozer did the to the Cavs going to Utah. It’s not the best look for a player for sure but it can still be done.
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Post#192 » by Am2626 » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:52 am

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Clint Eastwood wrote:But how was it tampering? Were there unsigned players involved? Can’t westbrook talk to his friend and say I’d love to be traded to the lakers to play with you, ill talk to my front office to see if we can work something out.


LeBron can't legally try and convince him to come to the Lakers. The fact that they are signed with other teams actually makes it worse and more harmful from a practical perspective, but as I noted, the league doesn't have power to stop player from meetings or audit their communication so regardless of how illegal the conversation may be, there is no proof.


If they can’t stop those things then in my opinion they should not waste time and energy into this which isn’t anywhere as bad as players on other teams colluding to form super teams. This all started in 2010 when LeBron, Wade, and Bosh gave teams false hope when they already knew they were all going to the Heat. Teams like the Bulls suffered because of that. Where is the fairness for teams like the Bulls there?
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Post#193 » by dougthonus » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:56 am

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dougthonus wrote:One thing to note, an investigation doesn't mean guilt necessarily either.

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the only thing the Bulls couldn't do was contact Ball directly. I'm sure the contacted him of course, but hopefully through the same back channels that everyone else uses to get around such rules.

I have a question about this. Couldn't the Pelicans say after initial talks between them and the Bulls they gave the Bulls permission to talk to Lonzo to see if the sign and trade would work?


To my knowledge, no. It isn't a permission based thing, even if it were to make sense that it could be.
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Post#194 » by dougthonus » Sun Aug 8, 2021 2:01 am

Am2626 wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
Clint Eastwood wrote:But how was it tampering? Were there unsigned players involved? Can’t westbrook talk to his friend and say I’d love to be traded to the lakers to play with you, ill talk to my front office to see if we can work something out.


LeBron can't legally try and convince him to come to the Lakers. The fact that they are signed with other teams actually makes it worse and more harmful from a practical perspective, but as I noted, the league doesn't have power to stop player from meetings or audit their communication so regardless of how illegal the conversation may be, there is no proof.


If they can’t stop those things then in my opinion they should not waste time and energy into this which isn’t anywhere as bad as players on other teams colluding to form super teams. This all started in 2011 when LeBron, Wade, and Bosh gave teams false hope when they already knew they were all going to the Heat. Teams like the Bulls suffered because of that. Where is the fairness for teams like the Bulls there?


Completely agree.

Perhaps the stupidest place to enforce tampering is a quiet period around guys who are actually FAs in the coming off-season and those conversations are perfectly legal in a few days or weeks. There is no harm here. It's totally irrelevant. The other thing is when guys (coaches, players, whoever) are taking TV analyst roles and make some comment about a player or answer a question in the press, and they fine the guy. Like really, some player hears a GM say he's good in a public press comment once and now wants to go there? It's just dumb.

The thing you should really try to stop is when guys try to get guys to demand a trade and try to get them to get out of a contract they are presently in. That presents real harm.
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Post#195 » by BullChit » Sun Aug 8, 2021 2:20 am

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Neonblazer wrote:The things is that as far as I know these rules are written in CBA to protect the players interest. So teams wont try to do quick agreements with teams and agents. For example, if it would have been publicly known that Bulls are offering 85M to Ball, other teams could have offered more, but now it looks like the agreement had been made before the deadline so there were no other offers. This would seriously hurt the interest of players.


If it's well known where the player wants to go then surely it doesn't hurt the players interest though...

Having said that I'm sure the rules are totally black and white with no grey interpretation.

The bigger question is if the deal is voided what can the Bulls do to address the point guard issue now?


If it's voided I hear Lonzo Ball may be available.


Could swear somebody said if it was voiced we wouldn't be able to go after Lonzo again this free agency
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Post#196 » by Chewie » Sun Aug 8, 2021 2:35 am

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If it's well known where the player wants to go then surely it doesn't hurt the players interest though...

Having said that I'm sure the rules are totally black and white with no grey interpretation.

The bigger question is if the deal is voided what can the Bulls do to address the point guard issue now?


If it's voided I hear Lonzo Ball may be available.


Could swear somebody said if it was voiced we wouldn't be able to go after Lonzo again this free agency

Which is why this seems the least likely route the NBA would take as so much time has passed now since the start of FA, Lonzo's options are now nil. Is this what the NBA wants?

Lonzo got the money he wanted, went to the team he wanted...let's move dafuq on.
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Post#197 » by Bullflip » Sun Aug 8, 2021 2:39 am

Wtf. Silver can’t penalize the Bulls because how he turn a blind eye when Lebron was tampering all over the place
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Post#198 » by BullChit » Sun Aug 8, 2021 2:57 am

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If it's voided I hear Lonzo Ball may be available.


Could swear somebody said if it was voiced we wouldn't be able to go after Lonzo again this free agency

Which is why this seems the least likely route the NBA would take as so much time has passed now since the start of FA, Lonzo's options are now nil. Is this what the NBA wants?

Lonzo got the money he wanted, went to the team he wanted...let's move dafuq on.


Yeah... What's the point right... Probably just the NBA doing it's due diligence to let the team's know they pay attention to suspicious looking deals.

I'm getting the feeling it will be a fine and nothing more.
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Post#199 » by tiffac » Sun Aug 8, 2021 3:42 am

How is the Lakers/Wizards deal with Russ Trade not tampering when that one was reported even before FA started?
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Post#200 » by SaNdMiRkS » Sun Aug 8, 2021 4:16 am

tiffac wrote:How is the Lakers/Wizards deal with Russ Trade not tampering when that one was reported even before FA started?


Read articles/reports thoroughly, just a suggestion. The reasons for why Chicago/Miami are being investigated were pretty clear

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