The Fire Rosas Thread

[Battletrigger]

They are pissing over us and some posters want us to say that is raining.

Maybe they enjoy the taste and don't want it to change.

[minimus]

Everytime I open this board I am hoping to read some toxic free, realistic comments. I should probably thank many posters for disappointing me even more.

You do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, right?
The team that has made the playoffs once in the last 10 years. The team that over the past ten seasons has a 38.4% winning percentage.
So…. You’ll have to forgive is reality based, or as you call them, “toxic”, posters. Maybe some of us have seen the patterns and bullshot before and we aren’t fooled.

Yes, I do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, because fans have short memory, and no prospective. They see only what happens at the moment and react. I mean, too often I see this forum as a place where everyone whines and brings negativity. When we speak about Rosas:

* - do we remember that Thibs left Rosas an awful roster?
* - do we remember how bad Bulter drama damaged organization's image?
* - do we remember that KAT did not want to sign extension here, and now he seems to be loyal to MIN?
* - do we remember that Rosas gambled on Finch? Rosas went against public opinion
* - do we remember that major improvements will come from Ant, KAT, DLo, McDaniels who have not played even 10 games together?
* - do we remember that Rubio was basically unplayable as secondary ballhandler? Yes, he played very well with national team in Olympic games, but he has been playing well for them because he basically the only leader now, after old generation finished career (Gasol brother etc)
* - yes, he missed on Culver, but how about Edwards, Reid, Vando, McDaniels, Nowell, McLaughlin? A lot of positive things about Knight and Wright

And about this particular offseason. No cap space => no FAs, damaged organization's image => no interest from veterans. Who was/is realistically available for us? Simmons? Markkanen? Are we sure that overpaying either Simmons or Markkanen is a good idea? I am sure that Rosas could pay this price to save his job. So why he is not doing this? Maybe because he has more faith in our guys than fans? Maybe because he does not want to trade our future to save his job?

And last but not least. How about these solid teams and their offseasons:

BOS?
MEM?
POR?
DAL?
DEN?
NOP?
NYK?
SAC?
WAS?
IND?

Who outside of contenders improved significantly?

[Note30]

Everytime I open this board I am hoping to read some toxic free, realistic comments. I should probably thank many posters for disappointing me even more.

You do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, right?
The team that has made the playoffs once in the last 10 years. The team that over the past ten seasons has a 38.4% winning percentage.
So…. You’ll have to forgive is reality based, or as you call them, “toxic”, posters. Maybe some of us have seen the patterns and bullshot before and we aren’t fooled.

Yes, I do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, because fans have short memory, and no prospective. They see only what happens at the moment and react. I mean, too often I see this forum as a place where everyone whines and brings negativity. When we speak about Rosas:

* - do we remember that Thibs left Rosas an awful roster?
* - do we remember how bad Bulter drama damaged organization's image?
* - do we remember that KAT did not want to sign extension here, and now he seems to be loyal to MIN?
* - do we remember that Rosas gambled on Finch? Rosas went against public opinion
* - do we remember that major improvements will come from Ant, KAT, DLo, McDaniels who have not played even 10 games together?
* - do we remember that Rubio was basically unplayable as secondary ballhandler? Yes, he played very well with national team in Olympic games, but he has been playing well for them because he basically the only leader now, after old generation finished career (Gasol brother etc)
* - yes, he missed on Culver, but how about Edwards, Reid, Vando, McDaniels, Nowell, McLaughlin? A lot of positive things about Knight and Wright

And about this particular offseason. No cap space => no FAs, damaged organization's image => no interest from veterans. Who was/is realistically available for us? Simmons? Markkanen? Are we sure that overpaying either Simmons or Markkanen is a good idea? I am sure that Rosas could pay this price to save his job. So why he is not doing this? Maybe because he has more faith in our guys than fans? Maybe because he does not want to trade our future to save his job?

And last but not least. How about these solid teams and their offseasons:

BOS?
MEM?
POR?
DAL?
DEN?
NOP?
NYK?
SAC?
WAS?
IND?

Who outside of contenders improved significantly?

How about the fact that he hasn't made a significant move since the DLo trade? Its been well over a year since he's done anything meaningful.

[minimus]

You do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, right?
The team that has made the playoffs once in the last 10 years. The team that over the past ten seasons has a 38.4% winning percentage.
So…. You’ll have to forgive is reality based, or as you call them, “toxic”, posters. Maybe some of us have seen the patterns and bullshot before and we aren’t fooled.

Yes, I do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, because fans have short memory, and no prospective. They see only what happens at the moment and react. I mean, too often I see this forum as a place where everyone whines and brings negativity. When we speak about Rosas:

* - do we remember that Thibs left Rosas an awful roster?
* - do we remember how bad Bulter drama damaged organization's image?
* - do we remember that KAT did not want to sign extension here, and now he seems to be loyal to MIN?
* - do we remember that Rosas gambled on Finch? Rosas went against public opinion
* - do we remember that major improvements will come from Ant, KAT, DLo, McDaniels who have not played even 10 games together?
* - do we remember that Rubio was basically unplayable as secondary ballhandler? Yes, he played very well with national team in Olympic games, but he has been playing well for them because he basically the only leader now, after old generation finished career (Gasol brother etc)
* - yes, he missed on Culver, but how about Edwards, Reid, Vando, McDaniels, Nowell, McLaughlin? A lot of positive things about Knight and Wright

And about this particular offseason. No cap space => no FAs, damaged organization's image => no interest from veterans. Who was/is realistically available for us? Simmons? Markkanen? Are we sure that overpaying either Simmons or Markkanen is a good idea? I am sure that Rosas could pay this price to save his job. So why he is not doing this? Maybe because he has more faith in our guys than fans? Maybe because he does not want to trade our future to save his job?

And last but not least. How about these solid teams and their offseasons:

BOS?
MEM?
POR?
DAL?
DEN?
NOP?
NYK?
SAC?
WAS?
IND?

Who outside of contenders improved significantly?

How about the fact that he hasn't made a significant move since the DLo trade? Its been well over a year since he's done anything meaningful.

Do you think last draft was not a significant move? Lets imagine our current without Edwards, McDaniels, Bolmaro. Do you think hiring Finch was not a significant move? Lets imagine our team under Ryan Saunders coaching.

[Note30]

Yes, I do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, because fans have short memory, and no prospective. They see only what happens at the moment and react. I mean, too often I see this forum as a place where everyone whines and brings negativity. When we speak about Rosas:

* - do we remember that Thibs left Rosas an awful roster?
* - do we remember how bad Bulter drama damaged organization's image?
* - do we remember that KAT did not want to sign extension here, and now he seems to be loyal to MIN?
* - do we remember that Rosas gambled on Finch? Rosas went against public opinion
* - do we remember that major improvements will come from Ant, KAT, DLo, McDaniels who have not played even 10 games together?
* - do we remember that Rubio was basically unplayable as secondary ballhandler? Yes, he played very well with national team in Olympic games, but he has been playing well for them because he basically the only leader now, after old generation finished career (Gasol brother etc)
* - yes, he missed on Culver, but how about Edwards, Reid, Vando, McDaniels, Nowell, McLaughlin? A lot of positive things about Knight and Wright

And about this particular offseason. No cap space => no FAs, damaged organization's image => no interest from veterans. Who was/is realistically available for us? Simmons? Markkanen? Are we sure that overpaying either Simmons or Markkanen is a good idea? I am sure that Rosas could pay this price to save his job. So why he is not doing this? Maybe because he has more faith in our guys than fans? Maybe because he does not want to trade our future to save his job?

And last but not least. How about these solid teams and their offseasons:

BOS?
MEM?
POR?
DAL?
DEN?
NOP?
NYK?
SAC?
WAS?
IND?

Who outside of contenders improved significantly?

How about the fact that he hasn't made a significant move since the DLo trade? Its been well over a year since he's done anything meaningful.

Do you think last draft was not a significant move? Lets imagine our current without Edwards, McDaniels, Bolmaro. Do you think hiring Finch was not a significant move? Lets imagine our team under Ryan Saunders coaching.

Edwards and Ball are still up for grabs who's better

McDaniels was a great add sure.

Bolmaro? TF? What's he shown?

Also yeah duh, Saunders should never have been hired in the first place as HC

[SO_MONEY]

You do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, right?
The team that has made the playoffs once in the last 10 years. The team that over the past ten seasons has a 38.4% winning percentage.
So…. You’ll have to forgive is reality based, or as you call them, “toxic”, posters. Maybe some of us have seen the patterns and bullshot before and we aren’t fooled.

Yes, I do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, because fans have short memory, and no prospective. They see only what happens at the moment and react. I mean, too often I see this forum as a place where everyone whines and brings negativity. When we speak about Rosas:

* - do we remember that Thibs left Rosas an awful roster?
* - do we remember how bad Bulter drama damaged organization's image?
* - do we remember that KAT did not want to sign extension here, and now he seems to be loyal to MIN?
* - do we remember that Rosas gambled on Finch? Rosas went against public opinion
* - do we remember that major improvements will come from Ant, KAT, DLo, McDaniels who have not played even 10 games together?
* - do we remember that Rubio was basically unplayable as secondary ballhandler? Yes, he played very well with national team in Olympic games, but he has been playing well for them because he basically the only leader now, after old generation finished career (Gasol brother etc)
* - yes, he missed on Culver, but how about Edwards, Reid, Vando, McDaniels, Nowell, McLaughlin? A lot of positive things about Knight and Wright

And about this particular offseason. No cap space => no FAs, damaged organization's image => no interest from veterans. Who was/is realistically available for us? Simmons? Markkanen? Are we sure that overpaying either Simmons or Markkanen is a good idea? I am sure that Rosas could pay this price to save his job. So why he is not doing this? Maybe because he has more faith in our guys than fans? Maybe because he does not want to trade our future to save his job?

And last but not least. How about these solid teams and their offseasons:

BOS?
MEM?
POR?
DAL?
DEN?
NOP?
NYK?
SAC?
WAS?
IND?

Who outside of contenders improved significantly?

How about the fact that he hasn't made a significant move since the DLo trade? Its been well over a year since he's done anything meaningful.

Does he really need to make "significant" moves repeatedly, moves just for moves ect...At what point wouldn't that itself indicate failure? I am if nothing else satisfied with the confidence thus far he isn't going to be pressured into a bad deal, that is a win in my book.

[Note30]

Yes, I do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, because fans have short memory, and no prospective. They see only what happens at the moment and react. I mean, too often I see this forum as a place where everyone whines and brings negativity. When we speak about Rosas:

* - do we remember that Thibs left Rosas an awful roster?
* - do we remember how bad Bulter drama damaged organization's image?
* - do we remember that KAT did not want to sign extension here, and now he seems to be loyal to MIN?
* - do we remember that Rosas gambled on Finch? Rosas went against public opinion
* - do we remember that major improvements will come from Ant, KAT, DLo, McDaniels who have not played even 10 games together?
* - do we remember that Rubio was basically unplayable as secondary ballhandler? Yes, he played very well with national team in Olympic games, but he has been playing well for them because he basically the only leader now, after old generation finished career (Gasol brother etc)
* - yes, he missed on Culver, but how about Edwards, Reid, Vando, McDaniels, Nowell, McLaughlin? A lot of positive things about Knight and Wright

And about this particular offseason. No cap space => no FAs, damaged organization's image => no interest from veterans. Who was/is realistically available for us? Simmons? Markkanen? Are we sure that overpaying either Simmons or Markkanen is a good idea? I am sure that Rosas could pay this price to save his job. So why he is not doing this? Maybe because he has more faith in our guys than fans? Maybe because he does not want to trade our future to save his job?

And last but not least. How about these solid teams and their offseasons:

BOS?
MEM?
POR?
DAL?
DEN?
NOP?
NYK?
SAC?
WAS?
IND?

Who outside of contenders improved significantly?

How about the fact that he hasn't made a significant move since the DLo trade? Its been well over a year since he's done anything meaningful.

Does he really need to make "significant" moves repeatedly, moves just for moves ect...At what point wouldn't that itself indicate failure? I am if nothing else satisfied with the confidence thus far he isn't going to be pressured into a bad deal, that is a win in my book.

We've basically been the same org for a while. Yes you have to make significant moves to be a serious contender.

Look at Phoenix! They literally took roughly the same boat we were in and turned it into a playoff contender.

Meanwhile... We're doing ****.

Is James Jones that much better of a GM?

[SO_MONEY]

How about the fact that he hasn't made a significant move since the DLo trade? Its been well over a year since he's done anything meaningful.

Does he really need to make "significant" moves repeatedly, moves just for moves ect...At what point wouldn't that itself indicate failure? I am if nothing else satisfied with the confidence thus far he isn't going to be pressured into a bad deal, that is a win in my book.

We've basically been the same org for a while. Yes you have to make significant moves to be a serious contender.

Look at Phoenix! They literally took roughly the same boat we were in and turned it into a playoff contender.

Meanwhile... We're doing ****.

Is James Jones that much better of a GM?

I disagree. You make smart moves that could be significant or not. You don't make a bad move just to do something significant. The fact he has done nothing to date speaks to the availability of smart moves or other teams willingness to enter into such deals with us.

[Note30]

Does he really need to make "significant" moves repeatedly, moves just for moves ect...At what point wouldn't that itself indicate failure? I am if nothing else satisfied with the confidence thus far he isn't going to be pressured into a bad deal, that is a win in my book.

We've basically been the same org for a while. Yes you have to make significant moves to be a serious contender.

Look at Phoenix! They literally took roughly the same boat we were in and turned it into a playoff contender.

Meanwhile... We're doing ****.

Is James Jones that much better of a GM?

I disagree. You make smart moves that could be significant or not. You don't make a bad move just to do something significant. The fact he has done nothing to date speaks to the availability of smart moves or other teams willingness to enter into such deals with us.

So you're telling me we couldn't have made the same moves as the Suns?

We found out how Bridges for Culver turned out.

Jae Crowder was definitely someone we could have gotten.

The CP3 trade would have been tricky but we did have Covington and Dieng.

It sounds like we could have had the same if not a better roster than the Suns.

CP3
Wiggins
Bridges
Crowder
Towns

[minimus]

How about the fact that he hasn't made a significant move since the DLo trade? Its been well over a year since he's done anything meaningful.

Does he really need to make "significant" moves repeatedly, moves just for moves ect...At what point wouldn't that itself indicate failure? I am if nothing else satisfied with the confidence thus far he isn't going to be pressured into a bad deal, that is a win in my book.

We've basically been the same org for a while. Yes you have to make significant moves to be a serious contender.

Look at Phoenix! They literally took roughly the same boat we were in and turned it into a playoff contender.

Meanwhile... We're doing ****.

Is James Jones that much better of a GM?

No, we are not the same organisation since Thibs was fired. Yes, in terms of winning we are disappointing. But our young players has shown a lot of talent, our core players KAT and DLo look motivated, we finally have some chemistry, we finally have some continuity.

The narrative outside of MIN saying we are the same sh*t, but it is not true. They say KAT sucks, Edwards sucks, DLo sucks. Whenever I am asking for details or explanation I get the same answer: "I dont watch MIN games, but I am sure they suck!" MIN won 3:0 vs UTA (best team in regular season) - MIN suck. After Finch hiring we had good wins against PHO, NYK, CHI, MIA, UTA, DAL, GSW - MIN suck.

I watched every game last season. No, we are not the same organisation.

[_AIJ_]

We've basically been the same org for a while. Yes you have to make significant moves to be a serious contender.

Look at Phoenix! They literally took roughly the same boat we were in and turned it into a playoff contender.

Meanwhile... We're doing ****.

Is James Jones that much better of a GM?

I disagree. You make smart moves that could be significant or not. You don't make a bad move just to do something significant. The fact he has done nothing to date speaks to the availability of smart moves or other teams willingness to enter into such deals with us.

So you're telling me we couldn't have made the same moves as the Suns?

We found out how Bridges for Culver turned out.

Jae Crowder was definitely someone we could have gotten.

The CP3 trade would have been tricky but we did have Covington and Dieng.

It sounds like we could have had the same if not a better roster than the Suns.

CP3
Wiggins
Bridges
Crowder
Towns

Lol. How tf does bridges end here?

[minimus]

We've basically been the same org for a while. Yes you have to make significant moves to be a serious contender.

Look at Phoenix! They literally took roughly the same boat we were in and turned it into a playoff contender.

Meanwhile... We're doing ****.

Is James Jones that much better of a GM?

I disagree. You make smart moves that could be significant or not. You don't make a bad move just to do something significant. The fact he has done nothing to date speaks to the availability of smart moves or other teams willingness to enter into such deals with us.

So you're telling me we couldn't have made the same moves as the Suns?

We found out how Bridges for Culver turned out.

Jae Crowder was definitely someone we could have gotten.

The CP3 trade would have been tricky but we did have Covington and Dieng.

It sounds like we could have had the same if not a better roster than the Suns.

CP3
Wiggins
Bridges
Crowder
Towns

You are definitely a better GM than Rosas because you could find the way to fit three max (two baby max, one super max) deals on the same team. You are better GM than James Jones who could fit only two max (one baby max and one super max) contract in PHO roster.

[wolves_89]

I have to admit that I'm surprised that Rosas hasn't made any high risk/high reward type moves this off-season. I thought with his job security tenuous at best, he would be looking to try to move the needle for next season. It takes some strong convictions to hold the line when everyone wants you to do something, especially when a poor first half next year is likely the end of his tenure.

[Nick K]

Everytime I open this board I am hoping to read some toxic free, realistic comments. I should probably thank many posters for disappointing me even more.

You do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, right?
The team that has made the playoffs once in the last 10 years. The team that over the past ten seasons has a 38.4% winning percentage.
So…. You’ll have to forgive is reality based, or as you call them, “toxic”, posters. Maybe some of us have seen the patterns and bullshot before and we aren’t fooled.

Yes, I do realize that this is the Minnesota Timberwolves board, because fans have short memory, and no prospective. They see only what happens at the moment and react. I mean, too often I see this forum as a place where everyone whines and brings negativity. When we speak about Rosas:

* - do we remember that Thibs left Rosas an awful roster?
* - do we remember how bad Bulter drama damaged organization's image?
* - do we remember that KAT did not want to sign extension here, and now he seems to be loyal to MIN?
* - do we remember that Rosas gambled on Finch? Rosas went against public opinion
* - do we remember that major improvements will come from Ant, KAT, DLo, McDaniels who have not played even 10 games together?
* - do we remember that Rubio was basically unplayable as secondary ballhandler? Yes, he played very well with national team in Olympic games, but he has been playing well for them because he basically the only leader now, after old generation finished career (Gasol brother etc)
* - yes, he missed on Culver, but how about Edwards, Reid, Vando, McDaniels, Nowell, McLaughlin? A lot of positive things about Knight and Wright

And about this particular offseason. No cap space => no FAs, damaged organization's image => no interest from veterans. Who was/is realistically available for us? Simmons? Markkanen? Are we sure that overpaying either Simmons or Markkanen is a good idea? I am sure that Rosas could pay this price to save his job. So why he is not doing this? Maybe because he has more faith in our guys than fans? Maybe because he does not want to trade our future to save his job?

And last but not least. How about these solid teams and their offseasons:

BOS?
MEM?
POR?
DAL?
DEN?
NOP?
NYK?
SAC?
WAS?
IND?

Who outside of contenders improved significantly?

Great post! Right on all counts!

I was going to respond to m2002brian's post which entirely missed the mark on the team today but I thought it would be a waste of time. We're all disappointed we didn't do something but the opportunities apparently weren't there. Better to be patient. He obviously doesn't understand signing a PG, Vando, getting a SF/PF defensive fit while getting us away from the luxury tax was worth it in moving Ricky. We're a stronger team because of it.

[Nick K]

Does he really need to make "significant" moves repeatedly, moves just for moves ect...At what point wouldn't that itself indicate failure? I am if nothing else satisfied with the confidence thus far he isn't going to be pressured into a bad deal, that is a win in my book.

We've basically been the same org for a while. Yes you have to make significant moves to be a serious contender.

Look at Phoenix! They literally took roughly the same boat we were in and turned it into a playoff contender.

Meanwhile... We're doing ****.

Is James Jones that much better of a GM?

No, we are not the same organisation since Thibs was fired. Yes, in terms of winning we are disappointing. But our young players has shown a lot of talent, our core players KAT and DLo look motivated, we finally have some chemistry, we finally have some continuity.

The narrative outside of MIN saying we are the same sh*t, but it is not true. They say KAT sucks, Edwards sucks, DLo sucks. Whenever I am asking for details or explanation I get the same answer: "I dont watch MIN games, but I am sure they suck!" MIN won 3:0 vs UTA (best team in regular season) - MIN suck. After Finch hiring we had good wins against PHO, NYK, CHI, MIA, UTA, DAL, GSW - MIN suck.

I watched every game last season. No, we are not the same organisation.

I watched every game but one last year and we are a far better team than we've been in years. You can really see things are coming together with great coaching and first rate talent. With all the injuries you have to throw last year out.

We showed we could play with anybody the final 30 games last year when healthy. I see us as a playoff team right now. Our young guys will continue to blow up. Watch out. I can see us as the surprise of the league next year and profs going out to Rosas from the national media. To go from where we were 2 years ago to where we are today is remarkable.

BTW, I have followed this team since day one and don't miss more than a few games a year. I'm not saying we're going to the finals but things are looking way up!

[Dewey]

I’ll give Rosas a C grade for now … if Ant, DLo, and Finch get it done then I will adjust it accordingly. I believe it’s those three that need to be in sync the most, so if Finch can succeed with team chemistry, Ant and DLo will be the keys that turned.

[Krapinsky]

I think Rosas should be judged based on the team's performance this year. He got the coach he wanted, he got the player he wanted (Russell), he got to reshuffle the roster, and he got a #1 pick. Now let's see them actually have a training camp and play a season together before we start wanting to tear everything down again.

[Note30]

I think Rosas should be judged based on the team's performance this year. He got the coach he wanted, he got the player he wanted (Russell), he got to reshuffle the roster, and he got a #1 pick. Now let's see them actually have a training camp and play a season together before we start wanting to tear everything down again.

Fine, but hopefully you'll be on the warpath if things don't go well this season.

[Note30]

I disagree. You make smart moves that could be significant or not. You don't make a bad move just to do something significant. The fact he has done nothing to date speaks to the availability of smart moves or other teams willingness to enter into such deals with us.

So you're telling me we couldn't have made the same moves as the Suns?

We found out how Bridges for Culver turned out.

Jae Crowder was definitely someone we could have gotten.

The CP3 trade would have been tricky but we did have Covington and Dieng.

It sounds like we could have had the same if not a better roster than the Suns.

CP3
Wiggins
Bridges
Crowder
Towns

Lol. How tf does bridges end here?

My bad thought for some reason it was Bridges and Saric for Culver

Forgot it was Johnson not Bridges

[Note30]

I disagree. You make smart moves that could be significant or not. You don't make a bad move just to do something significant. The fact he has done nothing to date speaks to the availability of smart moves or other teams willingness to enter into such deals with us.

So you're telling me we couldn't have made the same moves as the Suns?

We found out how Bridges for Culver turned out.

Jae Crowder was definitely someone we could have gotten.

The CP3 trade would have been tricky but we did have Covington and Dieng.

It sounds like we could have had the same if not a better roster than the Suns.

CP3
Wiggins
Bridges
Crowder
Towns

You are definitely a better GM than Rosas because you could find the way to fit three max (two baby max, one super max) deals on the same team. You are better GM than James Jones who could fit only two max (one baby max and one super max) contract in PHO roster.

We're literally trying to do the same thing with Simmons right now.