Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million

Badgerlander · Post #261 » by **Badgerlander** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 11:19 am

emunney wrote:Not going to comment on the potential veracity of the "source" but I will say that I'd be happy with getting Vanderbilt.

Love me some Vanderbilt

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LuessiT · Post #262 » by **LuessiT** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 11:50 am

If we really can get Vanderbilt I want reemphasize how you want to utilize lesser draft capital in trades and not actually draft. Vanderbilt is a better prospect than anyone we could have got with #31 and trading #31 got us Allen (and let us dump Merrill), who again is a lot more talented than anyone we could have got with #31.
I'm not saying you never want to draft in the second round but the Bucks can attain such a high level of players for the minimum that the opportunity cost of offering a roster spot to a draftee is so high that as long as this fact remains you probably want to trade draft picks over drafting.

emunney · Post #263 » by **emunney** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:08 pm

Haven't dug into their roster situation, but on the surface, it seems like total fantasy that they'd pull the QO.

Badgerlander · Post #264 » by **Badgerlander** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:15 pm

emunney wrote:Haven't dug into their roster situation, but on the surface, it seems like total fantasy that they'd pull the QO.

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Badgerlander · Post #265 » by **Badgerlander** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:25 pm

LuessiT wrote:If we really can get Vanderbilt I want reemphasize how you want to utilize lesser draft capital in trades and not actually draft. Vanderbilt is a better prospect than anyone we could have got with #31 and trading #31 got us Allen (and let us dump Merrill), who again is a lot more talented than anyone we could have got with #31.
I'm not saying you never want to draft in the second round but the Bucks can attain such a high level of players for the minimum that the opportunity cost of offering a roster spot to a draftee is so high that as long as this fact remains you probably want to trade draft picks over drafting.

Short term you are correct BUT the player you get at #31 should be under team control for ~6+ years. Allen is exactly what we needed and if we win it again then everything is golden but I just have this feeling that we are only keeping one of DDV or Allen come next year. I look over at the Hawks younger deep roster and then look at the end of our bench and think we could do better.

emunney · Post #266 » by **emunney** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:27 pm

If not for the dead money, we could do a S&T.

LuessiT · Post #267 » by **LuessiT** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:36 pm

emunney wrote:If not for the dead money, we could do a S&T.

It falls off next year so that's something to look forward to.

ShootingtheJ · Post #268 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:40 pm

So we could offer Vanderbilt roughly 3 years $6.3 million. That's probably light, we'd have to talk him into how our player development a long with playing with Giannis will massively increase his market down the road.

Badgerlander · Post #269 » by **Badgerlander** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:46 pm

emunney wrote:If not for the dead money, we could do a S&T.

Yeah I mean I’d give them Diakite and 2 seconds lol

ShootingtheJ · Post #270 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:54 pm

emunney wrote:If not for the dead money, we could do a S&T.

Nah, we'd be hardcapped, and we're over the apron. Plus, what salary are we sending out?

Badgerlander · Post #271 » by **Badgerlander** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:01 pm

Tyreke and Mayo are still unsigned lol

slos · Post #272 » by **slos** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:03 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:So we could offer Vanderbilt roughly 3 years $6.3 million. That's probably light, we'd have to talk him into how our player development a long with playing with Giannis will massively increase his market down the road.

Minnesota would be so happy to match this. I don't know if it is legal but can we talk them into not matching and send them Diakite for the favor?

emunney · Post #273 » by **emunney** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:06 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
emunney wrote:If not for the dead money, we could do a S&T.

Nah, we'd be hardcapped, and we're over the apron. Plus, what salary are we sending out?

Numbers could be off but I think we're over the apron because of the dead money. Probably Donte with something else coming back to us.

ShootingtheJ · Post #274 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:06 pm

slos wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:So we could offer Vanderbilt roughly 3 years $6.3 million. That's probably light, we'd have to talk him into how our player development a long with playing with Giannis will massively increase his market down the road.

Minnesota would be so happy to match this. I don't know if it is legal but can we talk them into not matching and send them Diakite for the favor?

No we can't do that. Yes that this whole deal is contingent on the Wolves dropping the QO.

SupremeHustle · Post #275 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:15 pm

As the resident Wolves fan I can tell you guys that I have no idea what's going on with the Wolves.

soxperry · Post #276 » by **soxperry** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:24 pm

Badgerlander wrote:
LuessiT wrote:If we really can get Vanderbilt I want reemphasize how you want to utilize lesser draft capital in trades and not actually draft. Vanderbilt is a better prospect than anyone we could have got with #31 and trading #31 got us Allen (and let us dump Merrill), who again is a lot more talented than anyone we could have got with #31.
I'm not saying you never want to draft in the second round but the Bucks can attain such a high level of players for the minimum that the opportunity cost of offering a roster spot to a draftee is so high that as long as this fact remains you probably want to trade draft picks over drafting.

Short term you are correct BUT the player you get at #31 should be under team control for ~6+ years. Allen is exactly what we needed and if we win it again then everything is golden but I just have this feeling that we are only keeping one of DDV or Allen come next year. I look over at the Hawks younger deep roster and then look at the end of our bench and think we could do better.

I understand the envy. The hawks have one of the deepest rosters in the league. But they have also been drafting and hitting on good draft slots for quite a while now because they have failed to make the playoffs. And its worth mentioning that they are already talking about not being able to keep everyone. But as it relates to us, that type of young talented depth just isnt possible anymore.

Jabari got hurt. We missed on Thon. We missed on DJ. DDV has been solid but hes got his own injury issues. We traded that pacers first for Jrue. Those are all of our good firsts for the past 5 years. From here on out we wont have any of those.

But we have Giannis and two legitimate max players. They have Trae and a lot of above average but probably never max players.

ShootingtheJ · Post #277 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:32 pm

emunney wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
emunney wrote:If not for the dead money, we could do a S&T.

Nah, we'd be hardcapped, and we're over the apron. Plus, what salary are we sending out?

Numbers could be off but I think we're over the apron because of the dead money. Probably Donte with something else coming back to us.

I could be a little off, because I don't know what you are figuring in for Vanderbilt's salary?

ShootingtheJ · Post #278 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:37 pm

When the Wolves sign Bolarmo, they'll be $7.7 million under the tax with 13 players signed, and don't have a back up PG on the roster yet.

The next move they make should be to fire their GM.

LuessiT · Post #279 » by **LuessiT** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:37 pm

If we were to bring in Vanderbilt it really would cut into Thanasis usefulness cause in the moments you want to mix it up defensively you probably go to him over Thanasis. Not sure what the plan is there but if it was cut and dry it would probably have been announced by now.

soxperry · Post #280 » by **soxperry** » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:51 pm

LuessiT wrote:If we were to bring in Vanderbilt it really would cut into Thanasis usefulness cause in the moments you want to mix it up defensively you probably go to him over Thanasis. Not sure what the plan is there but if it was cut and dry it would probably have been announced by now.

Thanasis should just be happy hes got A contract in the nba and be the best damn towel waver in the league. This other guy is obviously very talented and we are officially in championship mode. Giannis has to understand that