WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31

[HomoSapien]

The potential penalties for tampering have also been consequential. An offending team can have draft picks stripped away and transferred to a victimized team. Free agent signings can be voided. A team official deemed responsible can be fined up to $5 million. A player who tampers can be suspended for as many games as the commissioner deems appropriate.

Record Retention: Team executives must retain all communications with players and their representatives for one year. This record retention policy prevents a team from convincingly claiming that it no longer possesses records of communications. It also discourages “spoliation of evidence,” which refers to the illegal practice of altering or destroying records to avoid their disclosure in a potential legal matter. A failure by a team to preserve a record can now more readily for the basis of a league punishment. Formalized record retention procedures should place the NBA in an enhanced position to investigate and obtain relevant evidence.

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/09/23/adam-silver-nba-tampering-compliance-salary-cap-stricter-rules

When new rules are implemented, someone has to be the first that the league makes an example of. I'm starting to get a bad feeling.

I’m not.

I don't think the deal will be voided, but I have a feeling we'll either lose our 2022 or 2027 first-round pick.

[WindyCityBorn]

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/09/23/adam-silver-nba-tampering-compliance-salary-cap-stricter-rules

When new rules are implemented, someone has to be the first that the league makes an example of. I'm starting to get a bad feeling.

I’m not.

I don't think the deal will be voided, but I have a feeling we'll either lose our 2022 or 2027 first-round pick.

I think would that would eay too harsh of a penalty and something to be litigated if they tried it.

[Betta Bulleavit]

The advance work on the Lowry possibility at the NBA trading deadline was in marked contrast to the sign-and-trade agreement between the Bulls and Pelicans for Ball, with no trade consideration in that case at the trading deadline.

A quick 30s google from Ira or the fact-checkers could have easily found this.

I have a feeling there'll be a token monetary fine + loss of a 2nd round pick, similar to the Bucks situation. More to say "hey we're watching".

Hell, Miami had one of the all time tampering's when the Big Three formed up and nothing happened.

Basically nothing precludes from players discussing it, just front offices. Double standards ahoy. It's a joke.

Yeah, It’s comical that the fact that the Pelicans and Bulls had extensive talks at the deadline regarding Ball. As someone else stated, the only way this makes sense is if NOP is initiating these allegations which would go down as one of the biggest Mitch moves in the history of the NBA. Nobody would want to seriously negotiate with Griffin again.

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I’m not.

I don't think the deal will be voided, but I have a feeling we'll either lose our 2022 or 2027 first-round pick.

I think would that would eay too harsh of a penalty and something to be litigated if they tried it.

The only way I can see a first round pick going is if there was something clearly blatant, which means someone stuffed up bad.

Those who bring up Bogdan, the deal fell through afterwards when they couldn't offer the same money. It wasn't voided.
Given that we haven't finalised most of our moves, I doubt this will be an issue.

[MrFortune3]

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/09/23/adam-silver-nba-tampering-compliance-salary-cap-stricter-rules

When new rules are implemented, someone has to be the first that the league makes an example of. I'm starting to get a bad feeling.

I’m not.

I don't think the deal will be voided, but I have a feeling we'll either lose our 2022 or 2027 first-round pick.

Wouldn’t be 2022, cannot be without a 1st since we owe Orlando the 2023.

Highly doubt we get more than a fine. There is nothing to tamper with.
We talked trade with the Pelicans during the deadline and I’m sure numbers were broached then.

[HomoSapien]

Wouldn’t be 2022, cannot be without a 1st since we owe Orlando the 2023.

That only applies to trades though. If the goal here is to be punitive, I can't imagine that rule would matter here.

We talked trade with the Pelicans during the deadline and I’m sure numbers were broached then.

It seems like wishful thinking to believe that we could get Ball to agree to an $84m deal without any back and forths in the opening minute of free agency.

[umfan83]

I’m not.

I don't think the deal will be voided, but I have a feeling we'll either lose our 2022 or 2027 first-round pick.

Wouldn’t be 2022, cannot be without a 1st since we owe Orlando the 2023.

Highly doubt we get more than a fine. There is nothing to tamper with.
We talked trade with the Pelicans during the deadline and I’m sure numbers were broached then.

If I had to guess that rule is only in place for trades, not for punitive forfeiture of picks initiated by the league offices

[Jeffster81]

Hell, Miami had one of the all time tampering's when the Big Three formed up and nothing happened.

Basically nothing precludes from players discussing it, just front offices. Double standards ahoy. It's a joke.

So the NBA will not punish players for actively tamper with players under contract with another team but they will punish FO who may or may not have had indirect contact with players on different teams? So how am I supposed to take the NBA, specifically Adam Silver, serious when they randomly chose to enforce rules?

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Can’t we appeal pretty much anything that happens? And shouldn’t that go to an owners vote? I feel like if it came down to that, we’d have a majority ruling in our favor. The NBA doesn’t have that much power, the owners do

[Jeffster81]

It seems like wishful thinking to believe that we could get Ball to agree to an $84m deal without any back and forths in the opening minute of free agency.

That's assuming there was any back and forth going on. Bulls could ask how much, Ball responded, Bulls said done. Do I think this is what happen, no but it's also not out of the realm of possibility, either.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Wouldn’t be 2022, cannot be without a 1st since we owe Orlando the 2023.

That only applies to trades though. If the goal here is to be punitive, I can't imagine that rule would matter here.

We talked trade with the Pelicans during the deadline and I’m sure numbers were broached then.

Couldn’t they just make something up? I mean is it that hard to weasel out of this? Could just claim that Lonzos agent said $84 was the number and we agreed to it on the spot. Done.

Also, it was originally reported to be $80 pre FA


It seems like wishful thinking to believe that we could get Ball to agree to an $84m deal without any back and forths in the opening minute of free agency.

[LateNight]

It seems like wishful thinking to believe that we could get Ball to agree to an $84m deal without any back and forths in the opening minute of free agency.

That's assuming there was any back and forth going on. Bulls could ask how much, Ball responded, Bulls said done. Do I think this is what happen, no but it's also not out of the realm of possibility, either.

If we were going to trade for an RFA last Deadline, why would you assume we wouldn’t know how much he wanted on his next contract?

[fleet]

With the NBA investigating the timing of the sign-and-trade transaction utilized by the Miami Heat to land free-agent guard Kyle Lowry from the Toronto Raptors, several mitigating factors would appear to stand in the Heat’s favor.

According to an NBA party familiar with the league’s tampering investigation, the Heat’s maneuvering for Lowry differs significantly from the timing of the Chicago Bulls’ sign-and-trade acquisition of New Orleans Pelicans free-agent guard Lonzo Ball, which ESPN reports the NBA also is investigating.

Unlike with the Ball situation, the Heat previously had been involved in extensive negotiations with the Raptors at the March 22 NBA trading deadline regarding Lowry’s availability. At the time, the Raptors laid out potential parameters for a trade, an NBA source confirmed to the South Florida Sun Sentinel, with it also clear at the time what the financial parameters would be to sign Lowry in free agency.

Lowry ultimately agreed to a three-year, $85 million contract that starts at $27 million this coming season.
Aware of those parameters, the Heat last Sunday picked up the 2021-22 $19.4 million team option on the contract of veteran guard Goran Dragic, with that contract along with the contract of neophyte center Precious Achiuwa utilized as matching salaries for the Lowry acquisition. The advance work on the Lowry possibility at the NBA trading deadline was in marked contrast to the sign-and-trade agreement between the Bulls and Pelicans for Ball, with no trade consideration in that case at the trading deadline.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-nba-free-agency-sunday-20210808-kqqkbpvt3balfdswpnrcxfykpe-story.html

That's from Winderman. We obviously had extensive talks with the Pelicans too, so this seems off to me. If Winderman is right though, it sounds like our punishment will be harsher.

The Bulls had prior trade discussions over the same deal basically. The main appreciable difference appears that perhaps the Pelicans won’t be on the same page as the Bulls during the investigation. While the Heat and Toronto are going to be singing from the same sheet music.

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Basically nothing precludes from players discussing it, just front offices. Double standards ahoy. It's a joke.

So the NBA will not punish players for actively tamper with players under contract with another team but they will punish FO who may or may not have had indirect contact with players on different teams? So how am I supposed to take the NBA, specifically Adam Silver, serious when they randomly chose to enforce rules?

Precisely. It's a farce and everyone knows it. Christ even the media called it out post Lebron, post Bogdan.
Largely the NBA's hands are tied, but also they want to appear like they're doing something.

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With the NBA investigating the timing of the sign-and-trade transaction utilized by the Miami Heat to land free-agent guard Kyle Lowry from the Toronto Raptors, several mitigating factors would appear to stand in the Heat’s favor.

According to an NBA party familiar with the league’s tampering investigation, the Heat’s maneuvering for Lowry differs significantly from the timing of the Chicago Bulls’ sign-and-trade acquisition of New Orleans Pelicans free-agent guard Lonzo Ball, which ESPN reports the NBA also is investigating.

Unlike with the Ball situation, the Heat previously had been involved in extensive negotiations with the Raptors at the March 22 NBA trading deadline regarding Lowry’s availability. At the time, the Raptors laid out potential parameters for a trade, an NBA source confirmed to the South Florida Sun Sentinel, with it also clear at the time what the financial parameters would be to sign Lowry in free agency.

Lowry ultimately agreed to a three-year, $85 million contract that starts at $27 million this coming season.
Aware of those parameters, the Heat last Sunday picked up the 2021-22 $19.4 million team option on the contract of veteran guard Goran Dragic, with that contract along with the contract of neophyte center Precious Achiuwa utilized as matching salaries for the Lowry acquisition. The advance work on the Lowry possibility at the NBA trading deadline was in marked contrast to the sign-and-trade agreement between the Bulls and Pelicans for Ball, with no trade consideration in that case at the trading deadline.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-nba-free-agency-sunday-20210808-kqqkbpvt3balfdswpnrcxfykpe-story.html

That's from Winderman. We obviously had extensive talks with the Pelicans too, so this seems off to me. If Winderman is right though, it sounds like our punishment will be harsher.

The Bulls had prior trade discussions over the same deal basically. The main appreciable difference appears that perhaps the Pelicans won’t be on the same page as the Bulls during the investigation. While the Heat and Toronto are going to be singing from the same sheet music.

I wouldn't think the Pelicans' side of the story will differ too much. I mean they are also at risk here too.
Funnily enough, it wasn't the teams involved that got the Bogdan signing in trouble last year. The complaint was lodged by other executive offices around the league.

The reports of this taking several weeks isn't going to do anyone any good. It makes the NBA look like a joke.

[Grodoboldo]

With the NBA investigating the timing of the sign-and-trade transaction utilized by the Miami Heat to land free-agent guard Kyle Lowry from the Toronto Raptors, several mitigating factors would appear to stand in the Heat’s favor.

According to an NBA party familiar with the league’s tampering investigation, the Heat’s maneuvering for Lowry differs significantly from the timing of the Chicago Bulls’ sign-and-trade acquisition of New Orleans Pelicans free-agent guard Lonzo Ball, which ESPN reports the NBA also is investigating.

Unlike with the Ball situation, the Heat previously had been involved in extensive negotiations with the Raptors at the March 22 NBA trading deadline regarding Lowry’s availability. At the time, the Raptors laid out potential parameters for a trade, an NBA source confirmed to the South Florida Sun Sentinel, with it also clear at the time what the financial parameters would be to sign Lowry in free agency.

Lowry ultimately agreed to a three-year, $85 million contract that starts at $27 million this coming season.
Aware of those parameters, the Heat last Sunday picked up the 2021-22 $19.4 million team option on the contract of veteran guard Goran Dragic, with that contract along with the contract of neophyte center Precious Achiuwa utilized as matching salaries for the Lowry acquisition. The advance work on the Lowry possibility at the NBA trading deadline was in marked contrast to the sign-and-trade agreement between the Bulls and Pelicans for Ball, with no trade consideration in that case at the trading deadline.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-nba-free-agency-sunday-20210808-kqqkbpvt3balfdswpnrcxfykpe-story.html

That's from Winderman. We obviously had extensive talks with the Pelicans too, so this seems off to me. If Winderman is right though, it sounds like our punishment will be harsher.

LOL, Riley, who gives money under the table to guys (see heatles big men for example) and is known to be the king of shady **** will get a slap in the hand while we get **** in the ass.
This league...

[MisterRoy]

So where is this theory coming from that the Pelicans are the ones accusing us of tampering? I don't see th sense of it if they are our trading partner.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

[bad knees]

If AKME get a significant punishment for tampering, I am going to be pissed. They knew the rules. There was no need to have this deal announced at 6:01 pm on the first day of free agency.

[sco]

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-nba-free-agency-sunday-20210808-kqqkbpvt3balfdswpnrcxfykpe-story.html

That's from Winderman. We obviously had extensive talks with the Pelicans too, so this seems off to me. If Winderman is right though, it sounds like our punishment will be harsher.

The Bulls had prior trade discussions over the same deal basically. The main appreciable difference appears that perhaps the Pelicans won’t be on the same page as the Bulls during the investigation. While the Heat and Toronto are going to be singing from the same sheet music.

I wouldn't think the Pelicans' side of the story will differ too much. I mean they are also at risk here too.
Funnily enough, it wasn't the teams involved that got the Bogdan signing in trouble last year. The complaint was lodged by other executive offices around the league.

The reports of this taking several weeks isn't going to do anyone any good. It makes the NBA look like a joke.

I don't think it will be about "testimony", it's gonna be about (digital) paper trail. Who's text/phone records said what, when.

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The Bulls had prior trade discussions over the same deal basically. The main appreciable difference appears that perhaps the Pelicans won’t be on the same page as the Bulls during the investigation. While the Heat and Toronto are going to be singing from the same sheet music.

I wouldn't think the Pelicans' side of the story will differ too much. I mean they are also at risk here too.
Funnily enough, it wasn't the teams involved that got the Bogdan signing in trouble last year. The complaint was lodged by other executive offices around the league.

The reports of this taking several weeks isn't going to do anyone any good. It makes the NBA look like a joke.

I don't think it will be about "testimony", it's gonna be about (digital) paper trail. Who's text/phone records said what, when.

Oh there'll be some token testimony no doubt, but yes, the real damning proof will be the digital records as you say.
Now the question is were people dumb enough to leave it?