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Re: Bulls Summer League 

Post#81 » by Stratmaster » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:45 pm

Risk Addict wrote:Per video Pat is working on his vocal leadership this summer. I hope that he is focusing on offensive awareness and picking apart the defense by either making the right pass or being aggressive when the play breaks or the shot clock is low. I feel like those are important leadership skills. He can’t be a passive 3D type player with his relative skill here in SL and be a good leader, IMHO
Working on his vocal leadership?

What kind of PR BS is that? He is a 20 year old 2nd year 5th wheel who was virtually invisible on the court playing below replacement player level as a rookie.

They don't need him vocally leading anyone. They need him listening. And they need him working on things like when to cut to the basket, quicker and better shot decisions, his outside jumper etc.

Basic NBA basketball skills we would expect a 19 year old to struggle with.

"Vocal leadership" my ass :)

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Post#82 » by sco » Sun Aug 8, 2021 12:50 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
Risk Addict wrote:Per video Pat is working on his vocal leadership this summer. I hope that he is focusing on offensive awareness and picking apart the defense by either making the right pass or being aggressive when the play breaks or the shot clock is low. I feel like those are important leadership skills. He can’t be a passive 3D type player with his relative skill here in SL and be a good leader, IMHO
Working on his vocal leadership?

What kind of PR BS is that? He is a 20 year old 2nd year 5th wheel who was virtually invisible on the court playing below replacement player level as a rookie.

They don't need him vocally leading anyone. They need him listening. And they need him working on things like when to cut to the basket, quicker and better shot decisions, his outside jumper etc.

Basic NBA basketball skills we would expect a 19 year old to struggle with.

"Vocal leadership" my ass :)

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Talking on defense is a good skill for him as well as calling for the ball, but generally, I just want him to learn where the sidelines are and how to protect the ball when dribbling in the paint.
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Re: Bulls Summer League 

Post#83 » by Stratmaster » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:00 pm

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Risk Addict wrote:Per video Pat is working on his vocal leadership this summer. I hope that he is focusing on offensive awareness and picking apart the defense by either making the right pass or being aggressive when the play breaks or the shot clock is low. I feel like those are important leadership skills. He can’t be a passive 3D type player with his relative skill here in SL and be a good leader, IMHO
Working on his vocal leadership?

What kind of PR BS is that? He is a 20 year old 2nd year 5th wheel who was virtually invisible on the court playing below replacement player level as a rookie.

They don't need him vocally leading anyone. They need him listening. And they need him working on things like when to cut to the basket, quicker and better shot decisions, his outside jumper etc.

Basic NBA basketball skills we would expect a 19 year old to struggle with.

"Vocal leadership" my ass :)

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Talking on defense is a good skill for him as well as calling for the ball, but generally, I just want him to learn where the sidelines are and how to protect the ball when dribbling in the paint.
I see your point. I call that communication not vocal leadership.

But I now have to sheepishly admit I haven't watched the video. Just saw that term was used and figured it was a PR fluff piece.

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Re: Bulls Summer League 

Post#84 » by sco » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:08 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
sco wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:Working on his vocal leadership?

What kind of PR BS is that? He is a 20 year old 2nd year 5th wheel who was virtually invisible on the court playing below replacement player level as a rookie.

They don't need him vocally leading anyone. They need him listening. And they need him working on things like when to cut to the basket, quicker and better shot decisions, his outside jumper etc.

Basic NBA basketball skills we would expect a 19 year old to struggle with.

"Vocal leadership" my ass :)

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Talking on defense is a good skill for him as well as calling for the ball, but generally, I just want him to learn where the sidelines are and how to protect the ball when dribbling in the paint.
I see your point. I call that communication not vocal leadership.

But I now have to sheepishly admit I haven't watched the video. Just saw that term was used and figured it was a PR fluff piece.

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It was a PF fluff piece...you missed nothing.
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Re: Bulls Summer League 

Post#85 » by Stratmaster » Sun Aug 8, 2021 1:24 pm

sco wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
sco wrote:Talking on defense is a good skill for him as well as calling for the ball, but generally, I just want him to learn where the sidelines are and how to protect the ball when dribbling in the paint.
I see your point. I call that communication not vocal leadership.

But I now have to sheepishly admit I haven't watched the video. Just saw that term was used and figured it was a PR fluff piece.

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It was a PF fluff piece...you missed nothing.
Yeah, I went back and watched it just because I felt bad I had commented on it without hearing the context. I agree. Fun to watch because... well we are coming out of the offseason... but nothing really to see here.

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Post#86 » by VolumePoster » Sun Aug 8, 2021 2:11 pm

I'm actually really eager to see this summer league. It was difficult to tell last year whether Patrick was passive because it was his nature or role. Well, his role should be the primary option on this team.

I'm guessing the leading scorer ends up being Devon Dotson or Ayo, but that's just me.

Bizarrely excited to see Baxter as well.
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Post#87 » by RSP83 » Sun Aug 8, 2021 2:15 pm

I hope we will see more of that Pat Williams pre-draft showings that went viral, the one that he played with Dinwiddie and Whiteside. That Pat is already awesome, but we're yet to see it in SL or any NBA game.
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Post#88 » by Risk Addict » Sun Aug 8, 2021 3:16 pm

While putting out the video is obviously PR fluff, I doubt the coaches would lie about what they are focusing on development wise with the players. Any major league organization should have focused areas of improvement for their players, especially young rookies with high hopes.

Pat was a starter for regular season team and seems like a work horse. There are some things you can’t practice alone in a gym. Summer league where he is the standout best player is the perfect time for him to show leadership skills.

Knowing the court and protecting the ball in interior may be goals too, but don’t sound like a major point of improvement. Maybe in the categories of ball handling or offensive awareness, but I don’t know I’ve ever heard a coach make such a specific goals for a player and announce that publicly. In fact, that kinda lets the defense into an issue a player has. If I hear an opposing coach say my match up can’t hold onto the ball in the lane, it changes my approach.
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Post#89 » by Grodoboldo » Sun Aug 8, 2021 4:31 pm

holv03 wrote:
GoBlue72391 wrote:The Portland Trailblazers summer league team has assembled a god squad of talented former NBA players. They have Michael Beasley, Kenneth Faried, Jordan Crawford, Emmanuel Mudiay, and our own Antonio Blakeney on their SL roster.


Kenneth Faried would be a good pick up for us. High energy guy off the bench.


Great suggestion, I had completely forgotten about him
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Post#90 » by Grodoboldo » Sun Aug 8, 2021 4:39 pm

VolumePoster wrote:I'm actually really eager to see this summer league. It was difficult to tell last year whether Patrick was passive because it was his nature or role. Well, his role should be the primary option on this team.

I'm guessing the leading scorer ends up being Devon Dotson or Ayo, but that's just me.

Bizarrely excited to see Baxter as well.


I'm pumped to watch summer league because I was really happy after our moves this offseason, but got deflated with this absurd tampering investigation. I hope the games will get me back to that good offseason feeling.
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Post#91 » by holv03 » Sun Aug 8, 2021 11:46 pm

I've been watching summer league today and one thing I could say is that LiAngelo Ball deserves a chance in the NBA. This kid could really shoot the ball and any team could use a 3 point shooter like him.
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Post#92 » by Chi town » Sun Aug 8, 2021 11:59 pm

Jalen Green looks like a star. Let’s see what Cade does.
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Post#93 » by holv03 » Mon Aug 9, 2021 12:16 am

Chi town wrote:Jalen Green looks like a star. Let’s see what Cade does.


Jalen Green will be an all-star one day.
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Re: Bulls Summer League 

Post#94 » by kulaz3000 » Mon Aug 9, 2021 12:25 am

I'm always really reluctant to gauge a player based on Summer league. Whether the player plays good or bad, it usually never really translates. I mean, it's nice watching the young players play a game of basketball, but that's pretty much it.

Hell, even pre-season games, it may be slightly more valuable in terms of evaluation, but even then, it's hardly a good indicator. Which is why, I'm not really looking at these upcoming Bulls summer league game as any clear indicator as to how any of them will project to play once the season starts, and just be happy that we have some live basketball to watch.
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Post#95 » by sco » Mon Aug 9, 2021 1:08 am

Was watching the Knicks/Raps...Barnes was impressive, but honestly, Jericho Sims looked even better. Dude was bothering shots on defense, making every shot on offense, nabbing rebounds in traffic, setting beautiful picks. Everything I wanted WCJ to be, be he never became.
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Re: Bulls Summer League 

Post#96 » by meekrab » Mon Aug 9, 2021 1:23 am

Stratmaster wrote:
Risk Addict wrote:Per video Pat is working on his vocal leadership this summer. I hope that he is focusing on offensive awareness and picking apart the defense by either making the right pass or being aggressive when the play breaks or the shot clock is low. I feel like those are important leadership skills. He can’t be a passive 3D type player with his relative skill here in SL and be a good leader, IMHO
Working on his vocal leadership?

What kind of PR BS is that? He is a 20 year old 2nd year 5th wheel who was virtually invisible on the court playing below replacement player level as a rookie.

They don't need him vocally leading anyone. They need him listening. And they need him working on things like when to cut to the basket, quicker and better shot decisions, his outside jumper etc.

Basic NBA basketball skills we would expect a 19 year old to struggle with.

"Vocal leadership" my ass :)

He's got more minutes played in the NBA than the guys who have 3 years of experience. He should be the leader of the summer league team. That doesn't stop him also working on mechanical basketball skills, but he should also definitely be working on leadership skill. In 3 years he's going to be the face of the Bulls, or packaged in a trade to somewhere else. :dontknow:
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Post#97 » by BigUps » Mon Aug 9, 2021 2:03 am

I have a hunch that Marco is going to be the story of Summer League this year.
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Post#98 » by sco » Mon Aug 9, 2021 2:08 am

BigUps wrote:I have a hunch that Marco is going to be the story of Summer League this year.

Optimistically, it will be for good play.
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Post#99 » by petebraun0 » Mon Aug 9, 2021 3:39 am

BigUps wrote:I have a hunch that Marco is going to be the story of Summer League this year.


What makes you have confidence in Marco? I thought he was too light and not yet ready for prime time? Has he improved
over the past year?
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