WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31

[Dominator83]

I’m predicting we lose a first round pick. Hoping I’m wrong as losing another one is going to sting.

Yea not having 3 of the next 4 first round picks is getting into Brooklyn Nets territory

[GoBlue72391]

Yikes. I don't know what Marks knows, if anything, but that sounds about as terrible as possible.

Marks can say anything he wants. Nobody knows how the conversations went. He is guessing just like everyone else.

Stick with the facts and don't get sucked into the fear.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

...I don't know what Marks knows, if anything...

[meekrab]

With the NBA investigating the timing of the sign-and-trade transaction utilized by the Miami Heat to land free-agent guard Kyle Lowry from the Toronto Raptors, several mitigating factors would appear to stand in the Heat’s favor.

According to an NBA party familiar with the league’s tampering investigation, the Heat’s maneuvering for Lowry differs significantly from the timing of the Chicago Bulls’ sign-and-trade acquisition of New Orleans Pelicans free-agent guard Lonzo Ball, which ESPN reports the NBA also is investigating.

Unlike with the Ball situation, the Heat previously had been involved in extensive negotiations with the Raptors at the March 22 NBA trading deadline regarding Lowry’s availability. At the time, the Raptors laid out potential parameters for a trade, an NBA source confirmed to the South Florida Sun Sentinel, with it also clear at the time what the financial parameters would be to sign Lowry in free agency.

Lowry ultimately agreed to a three-year, $85 million contract that starts at $27 million this coming season.
Aware of those parameters, the Heat last Sunday picked up the 2021-22 $19.4 million team option on the contract of veteran guard Goran Dragic, with that contract along with the contract of neophyte center Precious Achiuwa utilized as matching salaries for the Lowry acquisition. The advance work on the Lowry possibility at the NBA trading deadline was in marked contrast to the sign-and-trade agreement between the Bulls and Pelicans for Ball, with no trade consideration in that case at the trading deadline.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-nba-free-agency-sunday-20210808-kqqkbpvt3balfdswpnrcxfykpe-story.html

That's from Winderman. We obviously had extensive talks with the Pelicans too, so this seems off to me. If Winderman is right though, it sounds like our punishment will be harsher.

It's paywalled but I wouldn't be surprised if a Heat beat reporter wasn't really following what the Bulls were doing at the deadline, since we definitely pursued Lonzo back then too.

[umfan83]

With the NBA investigating the timing of the sign-and-trade transaction utilized by the Miami Heat to land free-agent guard Kyle Lowry from the Toronto Raptors, several mitigating factors would appear to stand in the Heat’s favor.

According to an NBA party familiar with the league’s tampering investigation, the Heat’s maneuvering for Lowry differs significantly from the timing of the Chicago Bulls’ sign-and-trade acquisition of New Orleans Pelicans free-agent guard Lonzo Ball, which ESPN reports the NBA also is investigating.

Unlike with the Ball situation, the Heat previously had been involved in extensive negotiations with the Raptors at the March 22 NBA trading deadline regarding Lowry’s availability. At the time, the Raptors laid out potential parameters for a trade, an NBA source confirmed to the South Florida Sun Sentinel, with it also clear at the time what the financial parameters would be to sign Lowry in free agency.

Lowry ultimately agreed to a three-year, $85 million contract that starts at $27 million this coming season.
Aware of those parameters, the Heat last Sunday picked up the 2021-22 $19.4 million team option on the contract of veteran guard Goran Dragic, with that contract along with the contract of neophyte center Precious Achiuwa utilized as matching salaries for the Lowry acquisition. The advance work on the Lowry possibility at the NBA trading deadline was in marked contrast to the sign-and-trade agreement between the Bulls and Pelicans for Ball, with no trade consideration in that case at the trading deadline.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-nba-free-agency-sunday-20210808-kqqkbpvt3balfdswpnrcxfykpe-story.html

That's from Winderman. We obviously had extensive talks with the Pelicans too, so this seems off to me. If Winderman is right though, it sounds like our punishment will be harsher.

It's paywalled but I wouldn't be surprised if a Heat beat reporter wasn't really following what the Bulls were doing at the deadline, since we definitely pursued Lonzo back then too.

Yeah it’s been widely reported by very legitimate sources that the Bulls were trying to trade for Ball. Is it possible that the Heat had more concrete S&T discussions and the Bulls talks were mostly focused on a deadline trade? It’s possible at the time that the Pelicans were still zeroing in on re-signing Ball if they didn’t trade him at the deadline and weren’t interested in discussing S&T frameworks at the time.

[Grodoboldo]

Read on Twitter

@OlehKosel: Lonzo Ball's sign-and-trade to Bulls getting announced at opening bell of free agency is a horrible look so expect NBA punishment.

Bobby Marks: "Like New Orleans and Chicago, they're going to get nailed ... It's probably going to be draft picks and probably a substantial fine." https://t.co/jKJ4xP42sw

They're already letting it be known that we're probably losing a draft pick.
This is bull, I hope the Bulls retaliate trying to block anything Silver's office attempt to change and support any attempt to get him out of office.

[MisterRoy]

Bah. It's all speculation.


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[Clocian]

How long we gonna have this dark cloud over our head. I would like to actually enjoy summer league and the rest of summer...

[Grodoboldo]

Also, I'm already looking for ways to reliably pirate this season and drop international league pass.

[Dominator83]

Read on Twitter

@OlehKosel: Lonzo Ball's sign-and-trade to Bulls getting announced at opening bell of free agency is a horrible look so expect NBA punishment.

Bobby Marks: "Like New Orleans and Chicago, they're going to get nailed ... It's probably going to be draft picks and probably a substantial fine." https://t.co/jKJ4xP42sw

They're already letting it be known that we're probably losing a draft pick.
This is bull, I hope the Bulls retaliate trying to block anything Silver's office attempt to change and support any attempt to get him out of office.

Yea at this point we better pray it's only a 2nd round pick and not another 1st when we already have very little of them.

Money wise I'm guessing J.R. is gonna get hit with like a $5 million fine. We're gonna having to trade Lauri for a 2nd and cash considerations to help offset some of it. Lol

[sco]

First of all, man I find it hard to believe that anyone in the NBA would be stupid enough to leave a digital trail, especially after league took steps to require FO's to make digital records available, especially if you are announcing it just minutes after the deadline. It's plausible that the Bulls had conference calls set for exactly the start of FA with both Ball and NO. I can totally see teams wanting an immediate YES/No from their plan A, so that they can jump on their plan B. The Bulls could have said "Zo...4/$84 yes/no", Ball say "heck yes", NO (who is eager to make sure they are clear to go after their plan A guy) is on the other line and says "yeah...deal, whatever, we gotta move on...bye". Even if not exactly true, that'd be my story and I'd make darn sure there wasn't any digitally timestamped anything that said anything different.

[Jcool0]

How long we gonna have this dark cloud over our head. I would like to actually enjoy summer league and the rest of summer...

How long will this take?

The league took close to a month to finalize its investigation into the Bucks’ situation with Bogdanović. With the NBA set to get back on track after two seasons of its calendar being upended by the pandemic, teams are scheduled to report to training camp in late September.

All parties involved will have their answers before then.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/qa-nbas-tampering-investigation-bulls-lonzo-ball-trade

[chefo]

Yo, Silver, the Bulls are one of your top 3 franchises and they've been stuck in the mud for half a decade.

You want to make a point, go after Bron, dude is on his last legs and runs a parallel power structure to yours that's been tampering out in the open for nearly a decade. Don't be a chicken and go after the real whales.

[Chi town]

Like many have said... this is such a joke. I'm hoping our FO wasn't stupid enough to actually use their personal phones.

All this is doing to do is end the immediate announcement of deals from the likes of Woj and Shams. The back channel communication will still happen. The players do it all the time anyway. It's all such a double standard joke.

Silver is trying to be a fake tough guy.

[HomoSapien]

Yea at this point we better pray it's only a 2nd round pick and not another 1st when we already have very little of them.

Money wise I'm guessing J.R. is gonna get hit with like a $5 million fine. We're gonna having to trade Lauri for a 2nd and cash considerations to help offset some of it. Lol

If we're the first serious offender that they've caught, then they'll make an example out of us. Seems like the worst they could do is $10m + a 1st round pick.

[Chi town]

Yo, Silver, the Bulls are one of your top 3 franchises and they've been stuck in the mud for half a decade.

You want to make a point, go after Bron, dude is on his last legs and runs a parallel power structure to yours that's been tampering out in the open for nearly a decade. Don't be a chicken and go after the real whales.

Yep. Well said.

[bad knees]

Shams’ tweet announcing the Lonzo deal has a time stamp of 5:00 pm. The next tweet announcing a player changing teams was about the Lowry deal, with a time stamp of 5:38 pm. The next one after that was the McDermott deal at 5:43 pm.

The timeline is incredibly damning. The Bulls are going to get a big time penalty. It was really a stupid move by our FO. There was no need to do it this way. Have the calls sealing the deal after 5 pm and announce the deal at 5:45 pm. How hard is that?

[FRKMSTR]

Why would you do this seconds after free agency started? Why you couldn't have waited just 30 minutes. Not too smart if you ask me.

[HomoSapien]

Shams’ tweet announcing the Lonzo deal has a time stamp of 5:00 pm. The next tweet announcing a player changing teams was about the Lowry deal, with a time stamp of 5:38 pm. The next one after that was the McDermott deal at 5:43 pm.

The timeline is incredibly damning. The Bulls are going to get a big time penalty. It was really a stupid move by our FO. There was no need to do it this way. Have the calls sealing the deal after 5 pm and announce the deal at 5:45 pm. How hard is that?

To be fair, we don't know if it came from us. It could have come from Ball's camp. Still, we could/should have used KC to say that nothing has happened yet, and we're still negotiating with Ball.

It also didn't help that a day or two before free-agency started we kept getting alerts that Ball was planning on signing with Chicago.

[Chi town]

Why would you do this seconds after free agency started? Why you couldn't have waited just 30 minutes. Not too smart if you ask me.

Go Hoosiers. We share all the same fav teams.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Shams’ tweet announcing the Lonzo deal has a time stamp of 5:00 pm. The next tweet announcing a player changing teams was about the Lowry deal, with a time stamp of 5:38 pm. The next one after that was the McDermott deal at 5:43 pm.

The timeline is incredibly damning. The Bulls are going to get a big time penalty. It was really a stupid move by our FO. There was no need to do it this way. Have the calls sealing the deal after 5 pm and announce the deal at 5:45 pm. How hard is that?

I don’t think there is any doubt that the deal was done ahead of the opening of FA. That’s not a question. The question is, does that mean that tampering actually occurred? Negotiating and agreeing to a deal ahead of free agency WITH THE PELICANS is legal as far as I know…just as long as we didn’t have direct contact with Lonzo. Shams reporting at 5 on the head just means that somebody from Klutch tipped him off to the fact that a deal had been agreed upon.