What teams are beating a dead horse?

[Lalouie]

the pels.
just give them time, like another year or two. you'll see

[SoulJah]

Actually Raptors were top 3 teams year in year out even winning a conference couple of times and making it to East Finals, just needed that final piece to the puzzle which came in Kwahi. Bulls on the other hand have none of that and have added in crowd appeasing players but who may not translate into top 3 finishes hence perfect definition of treadmill. I like Derozan so I’ll be cheering for Bulls but I don’t have much confidence in the make up of this squad… hopefully I am dead wrong.

[Freighttrain]

portland and boston.

Right now Boston is going all in on creating a winning team next year (avoiding making any small trades that won't really help them this year, but puting themselves in great position next year). If they can get Beal next year, they will have a really good team that is right up there with the rest of the top teams in the league. I would hardly calling that beating a dead horse (now if the Beal thing falls through, and / or they don't get another top star to go with the Jays, then yeah, go ahead and call it the dead horse thing)

Also, it's kind of funny hearing a Laker fan say this. The Lakers aren't quite beating a dead horse, instead they are beating a 75 year old Nag that can hardly stand on it's own four feet anymore, and is going to require lots and lots of resting just to make it through the season.

That old nag at 37 is still a better player than your best player, go figure. And even with the addition of Beal you guys won't be favorites to win the East, but placed in a lower-tier behind the Bucks and Nets, whilst we're considered the favorites to come out of the West. But sure, do call us old if that helps you go through it all

[_qubik]

portland and boston.

Right now Boston is going all in on creating a winning team next year (avoiding making any small trades that won't really help them this year, but puting themselves in great position next year). If they can get Beal next year, they will have a really good team that is right up there with the rest of the top teams in the league. I would hardly calling that beating a dead horse (now if the Beal thing falls through, and / or they don't get another top star to go with the Jays, then yeah, go ahead and call it the dead horse thing)

Also, it's kind of funny hearing a Laker fan say this. The Lakers aren't quite beating a dead horse, instead they are beating a 75 year old Nag that can hardly stand on it's own four feet anymore, and is going to require lots and lots of resting just to make it through the season.

Boston has no chance to acquire Beal IMO, its easier to LA get rid of all the "old horses" and sign him than Boston

[vxmike]

There’s beating a dead horse, making moves to appease fanbase/ owner, trying to make a splash by acquiring a (super) star, and finally, thinking critically about fit and where your team is realistically in the timeline you pitched.

To me, Chicago fits the first three above… their clickbait acquisitions hardly fit and the likelihood is they end up on the middle or worse at the bottom. Shoutout Gar/Pax Woj see you!!

Not every franchise has the same goals. The Bulls are the only team in the association that’s a cornerstone investment for the owner. Reinsdorf is easily the poorest owner and the Bulls are an actual investment not a toy for him. They aren’t a top FA destination and ownership isn’t going to pay crazy luxury tax building super teams even if it could. They need to compete to keep the fan base interested.

[Dominator83]

There’s beating a dead horse, making moves to appease fanbase/ owner, trying to make a splash by acquiring a (super) star, and finally, thinking critically about fit and where your team is realistically in the timeline you pitched.

To me, Chicago fits the first three above… their clickbait acquisitions hardly fit and the likelihood is they end up on the middle or worse at the bottom. Shoutout Gar/Pax Woj see you!!

Beating a dead horse would have been bringing the same bad team from last year with Wendell Carter plus a draft pick, likely either have been Franz Wagner or Davion Mitchell, and maybe sign an MLE guy and call it a day.

Why our team gets bashed so much on here when we're atleast trying some new things is beyond me. No, we're never going to get bailed out by the Lebrons and KDs of the world. We have to try and get creative. And this my friends, is creative.

Sure it might all blow up and suck. But certainly can't say we aren't trying something new. There are several other teams that are either bad or mediocre, and have made no moves at all other than maybe something really minor

[Joshyjess]

portland and boston.

Right now Boston is going all in on creating a winning team next year (avoiding making any small trades that won't really help them this year, but puting themselves in great position next year). If they can get Beal next year, they will have a really good team that is right up there with the rest of the top teams in the league. I would hardly calling that beating a dead horse (now if the Beal thing falls through, and / or they don't get another top star to go with the Jays, then yeah, go ahead and call it the dead horse thing)

Also, it's kind of funny hearing a Laker fan say this. The Lakers aren't quite beating a dead horse, instead they are beating a 75 year old Nag that can hardly stand on it's own four feet anymore, and is going to require lots and lots of resting just to make it through the season.

Boston has no chance to acquire Beal IMO, its easier to LA get rid of all the "old horses" and sign him than Boston

Considering that Beal has said that he wants to play with Tatum in Boston, that means that they have more than just a small chance of getting him. If other team know that he wants to play for a certain team (like Anthony Davis did), then they will be a lot less likely to trade the assetts they need to get him. Right now Boston has to be considered one of the favorites to get him. If they wanted to include Brown in a deal, it wouldn't even be close, but they want to try and keep the Jays together and add Beal to that.

[Joshyjess]

portland and boston.

Right now Boston is going all in on creating a winning team next year (avoiding making any small trades that won't really help them this year, but puting themselves in great position next year). If they can get Beal next year, they will have a really good team that is right up there with the rest of the top teams in the league. I would hardly calling that beating a dead horse (now if the Beal thing falls through, and / or they don't get another top star to go with the Jays, then yeah, go ahead and call it the dead horse thing)

Also, it's kind of funny hearing a Laker fan say this. The Lakers aren't quite beating a dead horse, instead they are beating a 75 year old Nag that can hardly stand on it's own four feet anymore, and is going to require lots and lots of resting just to make it through the season.

That old nag at 37 is still a better player than your best player, go figure. And even with the addition of Beal you guys won't be favorites to win the East, but placed in a lower-tier behind the Bucks and Nets, whilst we're considered the favorites to come out of the West. But sure, do call us old if that helps you go through it all

I just hope that your team gets lots of nappy times during the season - they are certainly going to need them.

[druggas]

Right now Boston is going all in on creating a winning team next year (avoiding making any small trades that won't really help them this year, but puting themselves in great position next year). If they can get Beal next year, they will have a really good team that is right up there with the rest of the top teams in the league. I would hardly calling that beating a dead horse (now if the Beal thing falls through, and / or they don't get another top star to go with the Jays, then yeah, go ahead and call it the dead horse thing)

Also, it's kind of funny hearing a Laker fan say this. The Lakers aren't quite beating a dead horse, instead they are beating a 75 year old Nag that can hardly stand on it's own four feet anymore, and is going to require lots and lots of resting just to make it through the season.

Boston has no chance to acquire Beal IMO, its easier to LA get rid of all the "old horses" and sign him than Boston :lol:

Considering that Beal has said that he wants to play with Tatum in Boston, that means that they have more than just a small chance of getting him. If other team know that he wants to play for a certain team (like Anthony Davis did), then they will be a lot less likely to trade the assetts they need to get him. Right now Boston has to be considered one of the favorites to get him. If they wanted to include Brown in a deal, it wouldn't even be close, but they want to try and keep the Jays together and add Beal to that.

They'll team up and play for the Lakers.

[Warriorfan]

OKC, the multi year tank and continual kicking the can down the road is a terrible look.

So far only tanked last yr.

[jazzfan1971]

Mavs are tapping on the horse a bit. The jazz are full on beating it. The blazers have pummeled the horse into a fine powder at this point.

I'm not sure the Jazz horse is all that dead though. I think there is some life left in that nag.

[jkvonny]

Why are people saying the Jazz? Hell, the might win a championship very soon, within a few years!
They are young and very good. Get better over time. Like the Bucks and Raptors in the East over the years. Who each of them eventually won NBA titles recently.

Treadmill. I'd say Portland maybe. They are having their challenges.
Boston Celtics for sure (they've been overrated for years, right when Brad Stevens got there). Every year for almost a decade, they are the ones to watch out for from the East. Why? Because, the national media says so, they are a historical blueblood (won many NBA titles from decades ago (they've won only 1 in the past 3 decades) and one of the big markets on the east coast? Enuff already.

[_AIJ_]

8-) What teams need a whole new direction?

The Pacers - They are the definition of a treadmill team. It doesn't look like they are getting better anytime soon.

Timberwolves - I don't see Kat and D'lo leading them anywhere.

Blazers - I like the players they have but they have the same outcome every year.

Yep. We dont need KAT and Dlo because we have Ant. Both of them are 2nd and 3rd bananas

[Big J]

OKC, the multi year tank and continual kicking the can down the road is a terrible look.

Well to be fair, they've only been tanking for 1 year and it was forced after westbrook/PG13 wanted out.

I'm not a big fan of shameless tanking, but let's give them a year or 2 to see if Presti can consolidate those picks into something to add to SGA

Nothing was forced, they had PG13 & Westbrook locked into long term deals. They didn’t have to trade them.

[KyRo23]

portland and boston.

Right now Boston is going all in on creating a winning team next year (avoiding making any small trades that won't really help them this year, but puting themselves in great position next year). If they can get Beal next year, they will have a really good team that is right up there with the rest of the top teams in the league. I would hardly calling that beating a dead horse (now if the Beal thing falls through, and / or they don't get another top star to go with the Jays, then yeah, go ahead and call it the dead horse thing)

Also, it's kind of funny hearing a Laker fan say this. The Lakers aren't quite beating a dead horse, instead they are beating a 75 year old Nag that can hardly stand on it's own four feet anymore, and is going to require lots and lots of resting just to make it through the season.

Your first sentence also describes the Lakers as well... and I don't believe age will be as much as a factor as people are hoping it is. Russ take a lot of pressure off of LeBron's legs with the ball handling duties that Rondo did just a year ago. I think both LA and Boston will be just fine.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics are in the process of potentially creating max cap space for the summer of 2022 to either sign a free agent or trade for one. Taking a step back this year to add a significant player in 2022 to a 24 year old Tatum and a 25 year old Jaylen Brown. I wouldn't call that beating a dead horse.

Beating a dead horse would have been signing marginal free agents (Fournier, Mills, Gay etc.) to long term deals and keeping Kemba Walker.

[Sprewell4Three]

Dallas has been surrounding a Euro superstar with garbage for about 25 years now.

I’d really like for that to change one day

Garbage? Jason Terry would like to have a word with you.

[Lockdown504090]

Dallas has been surrounding a Euro superstar with garbage for about 25 years now.

I’d really like for that to change one day

trade the euro then. its hard to win title when the goat is too good you cant even tank during rookie season.
Dallas needs to do better job in FA similar to Lakers.

I think theyll start hitting now that rick gone. Ive been to his coaching clinics. You can see why today's player wouldnt want to be a part of that. I think they should have gone with earl watson, but ill give kidd a chance, It seems like players like him at least.

[tamaraw08]

8-) What teams need a whole new direction?

The Pacers - They are the definition of a treadmill team. It doesn't look like they are getting better anytime soon.

Timberwolves - I don't see Kat and D'lo leading them anywhere.

Blazers - I like the players they have but they have the same outcome every year.

Beating a dead horse as in stuck in purgatory? What are the chances they tank and be contenders for the next 5 years?
I am more disgusted with tankers like Orlando, Rockets and Cleveland. These teams didn't even try to be at least decent.
I will watch the games of Pacers, TWolves and Blazers and wouldn't even care about tankers, in fact I hope they get punished for not even trying. Houston already tanked last year and will do it again this season.

[Harry Garris]

Not sure about beating a dead horse, but the Bulls mortgaged their future this offseason for a team that peaks as a #5 seed at best....but more likely a fringe playoff team most years. I can't fault them though....I would probably go crazy as a fan if the product was garbage for so long too.

The Bulls are a huge market and an attractive destination to play. They shouldn't have to do the endless tanking thing to be good, they are one of the teams that can build a strong foundation of players and then either trade for a star or get one through free agency.