Summer League Thread Part 2: Aug 11 GS @8pm TSN 4

[everdiso]

I'd still take Green over him

Green is that athletic wing we've been waiting for since the Kobe, TMac, Vince era That next Jordan kind of player. I told everyone Cade isn't it! I always had Jalen and Mobley ahead of Cade.

Eh guys like Green are fun but usually aren't what wins championships. He's always going to have trouble defensively and his lack of size will even put limits on him offensively as well.

Green will always and can always get his shot off. size won't matter when he has elite separation on the move. 6'6" isn't that small for an elite scorer and defending other guards. prototypical shooting guard size.

what will separate him is mental makeup and defense as a lead guy and some of those are problems today as you listed. I don't think his size is going to be a problem though.

he's not really 6'6" though. he's not even 6'6" in shoes. likely closer to 6'4" without shoes. with a 6'7" wingspan. and thin.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Eh guys like Green are fun but usually aren't what wins championships. He's always going to have trouble defensively and his lack of size will even put limits on him offensively as well.

Green will always and can always get his shot off. size won't matter when he has elite separation on the move. 6'6" isn't that small for an elite scorer and defending other guards. prototypical shooting guard size.

what will separate him is mental makeup and defense as a lead guy and some of those are problems today as you listed. I don't think his size is going to be a problem though.

he's not really 6'6" though. he's not even 6'6" in shoes. likely closer to 6'4" without shoes. with a 6'7" wingspan. and thin.

Ah you're right. He's pretty much eye level with Adam Silver and he's 6'3" lmao

So ya he's 6'4" ish

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[HumbleRen]

I think Green had the best showcase in terms of transferable skills in an actual NBA game. Dude already looks like a veteran out there with his offensive bag. Was pleasantly surprised by his playmaking and willingness to play defence too.

[Rebel INS]

I think Green had the best showcase in terms of transferable skills in an actual NBA game. Dude already looks like a veteran out there with his offensive bag. Was pleasantly surprised by his playmaking and willingness to play defence too.

Green's basically been playing at this level of competition for a whole g league season, he probably should be expected to look like the guy most at home in this setting

[And1Skip]

https://youtu.be/HHDD5eEqJlQ

I'm so glad everyone's opinion of Scottie has turned around on this board. He will be successful in this league.
I re-watched the game this morning and he just does so many little things help the team. Moving the ball quickly on offence and being a disruptor on defense.
Malachi had a good game because he shot it well, but Scottie was the best player on the floor imo.

Thanks for the youtube video - this is a good analysis of Scottie's first game including little things that don't show up on the stat-sheet.

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[Mehar]

Eh guys like Green are fun but usually aren't what wins championships. He's always going to have trouble defensively and his lack of size will even put limits on him offensively as well.

Green will always and can always get his shot off. size won't matter when he has elite separation on the move. 6'6" isn't that small for an elite scorer and defending other guards. prototypical shooting guard size.

what will separate him is mental makeup and defense as a lead guy and some of those are problems today as you listed. I don't think his size is going to be a problem though.

he's not really 6'6" though. he's not even 6'6" in shoes. likely closer to 6'4" without shoes. with a 6'7" wingspan. and thin.

At the age of 16, three summers ago, Green measured 6 foot 4 without shoes, and 6 foot 5 in shoes. I think he has probably grown an inch since that time, so 6 foot 6 in shoes is most likely. However, he is still 180 pounds, and needs to put on extra weight to deal with the bigger shooting guards/small forwards he will be matching up with.

[Dennis 37]

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lol perk with the hot take.

If he reaches his ceiling, he has the potential ....

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[Dennis 37]

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Imagine FVV, but slimmer, and has a midrange game.

Flynn was making a lot of tough contested shots, which is is impressive, but I notice he was missing a lot of passes to open players in order to take those tough shots. Maybe his focus was just on shotmaking this game, but hopefully he becomes a better floor general. Scottie was clearly the better playmaker this game.

Yep, he was definitely playing with a specific role in mind (to shot), instead of playmaking. I'm quite excited about Flynn's development this year.

He was passing more at the start and realized his teammate's buckets weren't falling, so decided to do Fred.

[Quattro]

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lol perk with the hot take.

so all offense, no practice and 0 defense. I mean Iverson always looking at the passing lane for easy scoring opportunities so I have to give him that for defense.

Iverson always gets a bum rap. He was a very good defender for his size and nobody worked harder on the floor than that guy. I hated him when he played (mainly because he torched the raps pretty much every time he played them) but when you look back on his career you can’t help but admire the guy. People always say he was a black hole and all he did was score…look at the “talent” Philly surrounded him with. Who else was going to score?

Unfortunately too many people know him just for that stupid interview he did which is going to follow him forever. Say what you want about his views on practice but I never saw that guy give anything but 100% on the floor no matter the cost to his body. He was like the anti-Vince Carter.

I saw a bit of the Houston game and Green did look good but tough to draw any conclusions given he’s played pro ball for a year. He should look better than most of these other guys. Have to see how he does when there’s real defenders lining up against him especially as he’s not going to have a lot of help in Houston.

[CoachD]

I was really impressed with the kids yesterday.

Barnes to me is truly positionless. I could see him evolving into a guy you could slot at 1,2,3 or 4. The beautiful thing is he projects to be able to guard all 5 positions. I think Barnes is a legit superstar in the making.

With Johnson, Banton, Champgagnie .... i think one of those guys makes the back of the toronto roster - but the 905 is going to be the deepest it's been since Frederico and P were there.

Toronto's bench last year was a dumpster fire. We had multiple guys we needed to deliver good minutes who currently don't even have NBA jobs (and may not) or if they do - they'll be at the back of someone's bench.

I think the bench this year will have a lot more athleticism and versatility. We may see the pre-bubble level defense return.

When Siakam is healthy ... I'm intrigued by the idea of starting Barnes / OG and Pascal together and having JR as the 6th man instant offense. Add to that the offense that comes from the Dragon (as long as he's around) and Boucher ... and we're in a really good spot.

[CANsportsguru]

I mean essentially the summer league is like a draft workout so you really can't put too much stock into it. However he showed off a wide variety of offensive moves which was impressive. His jump shot looked a lot better than it did in college. People talking about how he looks slow out there I think that's the impressive part he's able to play at his own speed within the game ... People said Luka was too slow for the NBA.

[ash_k]

After game 1, looking at the top 5:
1. Green
2. Barnes
3. Cade
4. Mobley
I look forward to seeing Suggs tonight.

[Tor_Raps]

This aspect of the Draymond Green comparisons are bang on, dude will be an elite passer. A lot of stuff to be excited about.

Well draymond not an elite playmaker.

Let’s not compare barnes to scrubs

huh ? he’s been the best playmaker on one of the best dynasties of all time.

I hate Draymond more than most but you cannot take his playmaking/IQ away from him when playing with talented players. He clearly raises the level of everyone around him.

Now I can agree that he gets exposed when not playing with talented players as his game is meant to feed off others and vice versa.

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[Uncle Dennis]

Well draymond not an elite playmaker.

Let’s not compare barnes to scrubs

huh ? he’s been the best playmaker on one of the best dynasties of all time.

I hate Draymond more than most but you cannot take his playmaking/IQ away from him when playing with talented players. He clearly raises the level of everyone around him.

Now I can agree that he gets exposed when not playing with talented players as his game is meant to feed off others and vice versa.

I see the Draymond similarity with Barnes but I think he has way more upside. He's bigger than Draymond (hand size, height), he's longer as well, I think Draymond is his short term floor. This kid could really be special even if he just develops a decent offensive game.

[Tor_Raps]

huh ? he’s been the best playmaker on one of the best dynasties of all time.

I hate Draymond more than most but you cannot take his playmaking/IQ away from him when playing with talented players. He clearly raises the level of everyone around him.

Now I can agree that he gets exposed when not playing with talented players as his game is meant to feed off others and vice versa.

I see the Draymond similarity with Barnes but I think he has way more upside. He's bigger than Draymond (hand size, height), he's longer as well, I think Draymond is his short term floor. This kid could really be special even if he just develops a decent offensive game.

For sure, Barnes doesn't have to do much to reach Green's offensive level. He can easily exceed that with some work and then be closer to Kawhi than Green.

[DangerZone13]

I mean essentially the summer league is like a draft workout so you really can't put too much stock into it. However he showed off a wide variety of offensive moves which was impressive. His jump shot looked a lot better than it did in college. People talking about how he looks slow out there I think that's the impressive part he's able to play at his own speed within the game ... People said Luka was too slow for the NBA.

I think it's definitely a matter that he plays at his own speed, because there were times Scottie flashed across the floor at incredible speed for his size. Trying to temper expectations for the RS, but we have a lot to be excited about in Raptor Country!

[Tor_Raps]

8 PM today, we get to see Suggs. I will decide whether I can put the rope away or not lol

[DelAbbot]

What is the value of a Draymond who can shoot?

huh ? he’s been the best playmaker on one of the best dynasties of all time.

I hate Draymond more than most but you cannot take his playmaking/IQ away from him when playing with talented players. He clearly raises the level of everyone around him.

Now I can agree that he gets exposed when not playing with talented players as his game is meant to feed off others and vice versa.

I see the Draymond similarity with Barnes but I think he has way more upside. He's bigger than Draymond (hand size, height), he's longer as well, I think Draymond is his short term floor. This kid could really be special even if he just develops a decent offensive game.

[Danny1616]

huh ? he’s been the best playmaker on one of the best dynasties of all time.

I hate Draymond more than most but you cannot take his playmaking/IQ away from him when playing with talented players. He clearly raises the level of everyone around him.

Now I can agree that he gets exposed when not playing with talented players as his game is meant to feed off others and vice versa.

I see the Draymond similarity with Barnes but I think he has way more upside. He's bigger than Draymond (hand size, height), he's longer as well, I think Draymond is his short term floor. This kid could really be special even if he just develops a decent offensive game.

100% agree.

I see a little bit of it with the defense, playmaking and ability to bring the ball up the floor, but Barnes has a way higher ceiling.

Draymond is 6'5-6'6 with a shorter wingspan and less athleticism.

Barnes is 6'9 with a 7'3 and a half wingspan and a 39 inch vertical with better speed.

Both Draymond and Barnes have an innate feel for the game and naturally high IQ, but the ceiling is not the same at all.