Woj Kemba buying out of okc signing with NYC

[3toheadmelo]

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

A lot of people are expecting all star Kemba cause right before he got hurt again in the playoffs he was looking good. But I’m more skeptical than others cause the fact that no team wanted to give up assets for him says enough.

People want to make the playoffs cause it might attract another star thru trade or FA. So I get it. I’m not against it although the plan might fail since we’re the Knicks

Tbh most of our youth looked like trash yesterday including IQ so perhaps we’re not missing out on much anyways if they don’t get much playing time in the season lol

I think it’s deeper than that bro. People want to make the playoffs agains cuz we want to continue to establish a culture of winning and continue on forging the identity Thibs has started to carve for the team. Defense, playing hard, being prepared, etc.

Winning with vets isn’t a fruitless situation. Each young player behind those vets are gaining playoff experience, which is invaluable. Each kid behind those vets are being mentored. Each kid behind those vets are being taught how to take care of their bodies. Each kid behind those vets are taught how to have good practice habits. How to be prepared.

People think you just develop kids but running them out there in hockey shifts of 5-player kid lineups and they will develop. Many serial tanking franchises have proven that approach doesn’t always work. The game has nuances that matter that extend beyond the basketball court.

Just search up quotables of RJ, IQ, Obi, etc and how they spoke of Rose and Taj after they joined the team last season. If you have the right vets the results are positive development for the kids. Everything I read about Kemba tells me he will be just as influential as Rose was to the younger guards development. I don’t think he will be coming home to prove he is still a star at the kids’ expense. I’m sure he knows his physical limitations now and is at peace with that.

I get it. Like I said I’m cool with the direction the Knicks took, if it helps us get another star in the future. That’s the big picture for me. We establish a winning culture and other stars want to come here. My fear is that we don’t attract anyone and we become a treadmill.

I agree kemba will have a good influence on the youth. I’ve read good things about him. My concern with him is mainly physical limitations. If we gonna try to win, I want him healthy. I don’t wanna see a broken down Kemba in the playoffs again. I don’t know if I have a lot of faith in our youth stepping up.

[god shammgod]

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

Cuz even a role playing Kemba is an upgrade over Elf. Just as a role playing Rose was an upgrade Dennis Brick Jr.

Playing kids just cuz they’re kids doesn’t accomplish development. At some point the young player has to show you they are worth the investment of their development.

As for IQ specifically, I’ve seen all I need to see to determine he is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is going to likely top out as a 6th man scoring undersized SG off the bench. And that’s exactly where he is slotted with the current roster construction.

Kemba/Rose even as role players who are not the former version of themselves is still an upgrade over where we started last season as our PG rotation. If you and Melo have concerns about their health and wish to develop kids at the position, well that is what Miles McBride is here for. Both veteran PGs will require load management and McBride can step in at those times. He also gets to go up against these two vets battling them in practice almost daily. He will develop fine in that setting, and way more rapidly than just being handed the keys to a team looking to win and risking having too much on his plate too early. It also beats a scenario where he is backing up Elf and masquerading as a savior cuz the fans prefer ANYONE to elf.

C’mon bro, if you’re telling me you preferred to see IQ for extended backup PG mins then you’re essentially telling me you wanted that to lead to further complaints cuz that would be a situation of miscasting him as something he’s clearly not — as we are currently seeing in Summer League.

it's a new role for him, he's supposed to fail at first. if he's ever gonna be something more than a backup he has to play point because he's too small for a starting 2. that's why the knicks are trying it now. i would have liked them trying him during the regular season too as the backup to rose. he played with the ball last year a lot actually. it wasn't like he was strictly an off-ball player. to be fair, the worst part of his game yesterday was shooting. and we're not gonna decide based on 1 game that he can't shoot.

[robillionaire]

A lot of people are expecting all star Kemba cause right before he got hurt again in the playoffs he was looking good. But I’m more skeptical than others cause the fact that no team wanted to give up assets for him says enough.

The celtics had to give up assets to get out of the contract, why did OKC expect teams to give them more assets to get back into the contract?

we were probably the dumb team they expected to give them assets for kemba and we hoodwinked them. who else would have done this?

You’re proving my point though. Nobody wants to give up assets for him cause his knees look done

taking on his 75M salary for two years plus giving up assets is too risky for a player with his injury history, I don't disagree with that, wouldn't want the knicks to do that either

I just think there's a gap between recognizing the injury history/injury risk made him not worth 75M+assets, which is true and making a leap to speculating suggesting that the reason teams didn't want to give OKC more free shittu is because everybody saw his knees are done/career is over

the risk is worth it for the right price (which imo is a lot higher than we paid) and for all we know he will rehab the hell out of it and have a few more great years

[LookToShoot]

Extending Randle and signing Kemba were two really bad moves. Knick basketball is going backwards.

[3toheadmelo]

The celtics had to give up assets to get out of the contract, why did OKC expect teams to give them more assets to get back into the contract?

we were probably the dumb team they expected to give them assets for kemba and we hoodwinked them. who else would have done this?

You’re proving my point though. Nobody wants to give up assets for him cause his knees look done

taking on his 75M salary for two years plus giving up assets is too risky for a player with his injury history, I don't disagree with that, wouldn't want the knicks to do that either

I just think there's a gap between recognizing the injury history/injury risk made him not worth 75M+assets, which is true and making a leap to speculating suggesting that the reason teams didn't want to give OKC more free shittu is because everybody saw his knees are done/career is over

the risk is worth it for the right price (which imo is a lot higher than we paid) and for all we know he will rehab the hell out of it and have a few more great years

Maybe you’re right. We’ll see. I’ve said before it’s a good risk to take since it’s just 2 years. I was just saying people need to temper down their expectations cause it seems like a lot of people are expecting all star kemba.

[robillionaire]

You’re proving my point though. Nobody wants to give up assets for him cause his knees look done

taking on his 75M salary for two years plus giving up assets is too risky for a player with his injury history, I don't disagree with that, wouldn't want the knicks to do that either

I just think there's a gap between recognizing the injury history/injury risk made him not worth 75M+assets, which is true and making a leap to speculating suggesting that the reason teams didn't want to give OKC more free shittu is because everybody saw his knees are done/career is over

the risk is worth it for the right price (which imo is a lot higher than we paid) and for all we know he will rehab the hell out of it and have a few more great years

Maybe you’re right. We’ll see. I’ve said before it’s a good risk to take since it’s just 2 years. I was just saying people need to temper down their expectations cause it seems like a lot of people are expecting all star kemba.

I'm expecting all-star kemba or kemba in a suit and nothing in between

[Deeeez Knicks]

The celtics had to give up assets to get out of the contract, why did OKC expect teams to give them more assets to get back into the contract?

we were probably the dumb team they expected to give them assets for kemba and we hoodwinked them. who else would have done this?

You’re proving my point though. Nobody wants to give up assets for him cause his knees look done

taking on his 75M salary for two years plus giving up assets is too risky for a player with his injury history, I don't disagree with that, wouldn't want the knicks to do that either

I just think there's a gap between recognizing the injury history/injury risk made him not worth 75M+assets, which is true and making a leap to speculating suggesting that the reason teams didn't want to give OKC more free shittu is because everybody saw his knees are done/career is over

the risk is worth it for the right price (which imo is a lot higher than we paid) and for all we know he will rehab the hell out of it and have a few more great years

Yea, his contract was just as much of an issue as his health. Nobody was going to give up assets for Kemba cause nobody wants to take on that salary combined with his injury. So $75mil Kemba is bad. $16mil Kemba is good value though.

It was not worth it for OKC to wait around either. They just drafted like 5 more PGs who they probably want to play while they tank again. Plus sounds like Kemba gave up some money to make it worthwhile.

[2010]

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

Cuz even a role playing Kemba is an upgrade over Elf. Just as a role playing Rose was an upgrade Dennis Brick Jr.

Playing kids just cuz they’re kids doesn’t accomplish development. At some point the young player has to show you they are worth the investment of their development.

As for IQ specifically, I’ve seen all I need to see to determine he is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is going to likely top out as a 6th man scoring undersized SG off the bench. And that’s exactly where he is slotted with the current roster construction.

Kemba/Rose even as role players who are not the former version of themselves is still an upgrade over where we started last season as our PG rotation. If you and Melo have concerns about their health and wish to develop kids at the position, well that is what Miles McBride is here for. Both veteran PGs will require load management and McBride can step in at those times. He also gets to go up against these two vets battling them in practice almost daily. He will develop fine in that setting, and way more rapidly than just being handed the keys to a team looking to win and risking having too much on his plate too early. It also beats a scenario where he is backing up Elf and masquerading as a savior cuz the fans prefer ANYONE to elf.

C’mon bro, if you’re telling me you preferred to see IQ for extended backup PG mins then you’re essentially telling me you wanted that to lead to further complaints cuz that would be a situation of miscasting him as something he’s clearly not — as we are currently seeing in Summer League.

it's a new role for him, he's supposed to fail at first. if he's ever gonna be something more than a backup he has to play point because he's too small for a starting 2. that's why the knicks are trying it now. i would have liked them trying him during the regular season too as the backup to rose. he played with the ball last year a lot actually. it wasn't like he was strictly an off-ball player. to be fair, the worst part of his game yesterday was shooting. and we're not gonna decide based on 1 game that he can't shoot.

I’m not even cappin’ here fam when I say this. I didn’t even care about IQ being off shooting the ball. What disgusted me was he could not get us into any type of offensive flow. He wasn’t running the team well at all, despite having more legit experience than any other guard on the roster. He was making some terrible decisions that belie the 8 assists that the boxscore watchers keep citing.

Ima watch the game today in a couple hours and I hope for a better showing if he starts again at PG. But to me, he is like a Lou Williams type player. At absolute best, CJ McCollum but even CJ always had a way better handle. I only say CJ cuz of the shooting ability and physical profile as an undersized 2.

I hope he succeeds man, but realistically I don’t evaluate him as a point guard. That’s usually something you either are or you’re not. I tend to think PGs are born, not made.

[2010]

One more thing, IQ didn’t show any new developments in his game. He played the exact way yesterday that he did last season. Deep 3’s, floaters, hunting for FTs, attempting to throw ally’s and nothing else.

No midrange game, no pull-up off the dribble game, no layup package, no poise as a floor general, etc.

We know he can do the things he can do. I would like to see if he has been working on any of his improvement areas.

[robillionaire]

Cuz even a role playing Kemba is an upgrade over Elf. Just as a role playing Rose was an upgrade Dennis Brick Jr.

Playing kids just cuz they’re kids doesn’t accomplish development. At some point the young player has to show you they are worth the investment of their development.

As for IQ specifically, I’ve seen all I need to see to determine he is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is going to likely top out as a 6th man scoring undersized SG off the bench. And that’s exactly where he is slotted with the current roster construction.

Kemba/Rose even as role players who are not the former version of themselves is still an upgrade over where we started last season as our PG rotation. If you and Melo have concerns about their health and wish to develop kids at the position, well that is what Miles McBride is here for. Both veteran PGs will require load management and McBride can step in at those times. He also gets to go up against these two vets battling them in practice almost daily. He will develop fine in that setting, and way more rapidly than just being handed the keys to a team looking to win and risking having too much on his plate too early. It also beats a scenario where he is backing up Elf and masquerading as a savior cuz the fans prefer ANYONE to elf.

C’mon bro, if you’re telling me you preferred to see IQ for extended backup PG mins then you’re essentially telling me you wanted that to lead to further complaints cuz that would be a situation of miscasting him as something he’s clearly not — as we are currently seeing in Summer League.

it's a new role for him, he's supposed to fail at first. if he's ever gonna be something more than a backup he has to play point because he's too small for a starting 2. that's why the knicks are trying it now. i would have liked them trying him during the regular season too as the backup to rose. he played with the ball last year a lot actually. it wasn't like he was strictly an off-ball player. to be fair, the worst part of his game yesterday was shooting. and we're not gonna decide based on 1 game that he can't shoot.

I’m not even cappin’ here fam when I say this. I didn’t even care about IQ being off shooting the ball. What disgusted me was he could not get us into any type of offensive flow. He wasn’t running the team well at all, despite having more legit experience than any other guard on the roster. He was making some terrible decisions that belie the 8 assists that the boxscore watchers keep citing.

Ima watch the game today in a couple hours and I hope for a better showing if he starts again at PG. But to me, he is like a Lou Williams type player. At absolute best, CJ McCollum but even CJ always had a way better handle. I only say CJ cuz of the shooting ability and physical profile as an undersized 2.

I hope he succeeds man, but realistically I don’t evaluate him as a point guard. That’s usually something you either are or you’re not. I tend to think PGs are born, not made.

He made some nice lobs though. Would have had double digit assists if we didn’t shoot 17% from 3 as a team or whatever it was, he found guys open here and there

But yeah he made a lot of bad decisions with the ball and some bad turnovers. Most of it was when he was trying to create his own shot though

I still think there’s hope, not that he will be a great playmaker because he won’t, I sorta agree with you there, but just that he can be passable enough able to play a bit smarter and maybe not dial his own number so much. But I guess we’ll see

[TheGreenArrow]

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

Cuz even a role playing Kemba is an upgrade over Elf. Just as a role playing Rose was an upgrade Dennis Brick Jr.

Playing kids just cuz they’re kids doesn’t accomplish development. At some point the young player has to show you they are worth the investment of their development.

As for IQ specifically, I’ve seen all I need to see to determine he is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is going to likely top out as a 6th man scoring undersized SG off the bench. And that’s exactly where he is slotted with the current roster construction.

Kemba/Rose even as role players who are not the former version of themselves is still an upgrade over where we started last season as our PG rotation. If you and Melo have concerns about their health and wish to develop kids at the position, well that is what Miles McBride is here for. Both veteran PGs will require load management and McBride can step in at those times. He also gets to go up against these two vets battling them in practice almost daily. He will develop fine in that setting, and way more rapidly than just being handed the keys to a team looking to win and risking having too much on his plate too early. It also beats a scenario where he is backing up Elf and masquerading as a savior cuz the fans prefer ANYONE to elf.

C’mon bro, if you’re telling me you preferred to see IQ for extended backup PG mins then you’re essentially telling me you wanted that to lead to further complaints cuz that would be a situation of miscasting him as something he’s clearly not — as we are currently seeing in Summer League.

Nah that’s not it!!!

He’s just mad that we didn’t sign his boy Schroeder!!!!

That’s what this kemba hate is all about!!!

Melo would have rather seen us lock up Schroeder for 15-18 mil a year instead of getting kemba!!!!

[3toheadmelo]

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

Cuz even a role playing Kemba is an upgrade over Elf. Just as a role playing Rose was an upgrade Dennis Brick Jr.

Playing kids just cuz they’re kids doesn’t accomplish development. At some point the young player has to show you they are worth the investment of their development.

As for IQ specifically, I’ve seen all I need to see to determine he is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is going to likely top out as a 6th man scoring undersized SG off the bench. And that’s exactly where he is slotted with the current roster construction.

Kemba/Rose even as role players who are not the former version of themselves is still an upgrade over where we started last season as our PG rotation. If you and Melo have concerns about their health and wish to develop kids at the position, well that is what Miles McBride is here for. Both veteran PGs will require load management and McBride can step in at those times. He also gets to go up against these two vets battling them in practice almost daily. He will develop fine in that setting, and way more rapidly than just being handed the keys to a team looking to win and risking having too much on his plate too early. It also beats a scenario where he is backing up Elf and masquerading as a savior cuz the fans prefer ANYONE to elf.

C’mon bro, if you’re telling me you preferred to see IQ for extended backup PG mins then you’re essentially telling me you wanted that to lead to further complaints cuz that would be a situation of miscasting him as something he’s clearly not — as we are currently seeing in Summer League.

Nah that’s not it!!!

He’s just mad that we didn’t sign his boy Schroeder!!!!

That’s what this kemba hate is all about!!!

Melo would have rather seen us lock up Schroeder for 15-18 mil a year instead of getting kemba!!!!

What kemba hate? Saying to temper down expectations is hate?

You’re the most terrible person on earth!!!!!

[Deeeez Knicks]

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

Cuz even a role playing Kemba is an upgrade over Elf. Just as a role playing Rose was an upgrade Dennis Brick Jr.

Playing kids just cuz they’re kids doesn’t accomplish development. At some point the young player has to show you they are worth the investment of their development.

As for IQ specifically, I’ve seen all I need to see to determine he is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is going to likely top out as a 6th man scoring undersized SG off the bench. And that’s exactly where he is slotted with the current roster construction.

Kemba/Rose even as role players who are not the former version of themselves is still an upgrade over where we started last season as our PG rotation. If you and Melo have concerns about their health and wish to develop kids at the position, well that is what Miles McBride is here for. Both veteran PGs will require load management and McBride can step in at those times. He also gets to go up against these two vets battling them in practice almost daily. He will develop fine in that setting, and way more rapidly than just being handed the keys to a team looking to win and risking having too much on his plate too early. It also beats a scenario where he is backing up Elf and masquerading as a savior cuz the fans prefer ANYONE to elf.

C’mon bro, if you’re telling me you preferred to see IQ for extended backup PG mins then you’re essentially telling me you wanted that to lead to further complaints cuz that would be a situation of miscasting him as something he’s clearly not — as we are currently seeing in Summer League.

Nah that’s not it!!!

He’s just mad that we didn’t sign his boy Schroeder!!!!

That’s what this kemba hate is all about!!!

Melo would have rather seen us lock up Schroeder for 15-18 mil a year instead of getting kemba!!!!

Team Schroeder died there hair gold for nothing. Sad

[3toheadmelo]

They think me and sham were team Schroder wtf horrible people!!!!

[Infinitimind]

Extending Randle and signing Kemba were two really bad moves. Knick basketball is going backwards.

Depending on kemba health will determine our success. But it’s not what I would have done. We paid randle, next year we have to pay Mitch and in two years we would have to pay Rj. I would have wish we gone with the youth movement.

[2010]

They think me and sham were team Schroder wtf horrible people!!!!

This gotta be your Trump impersonation.

[3toheadmelo]

They think me and sham were team Schroder wtf horrible people!!!!

This gotta be your Trump impersonation.

Trump with a dash of green arrow

[robillionaire]

Extending Randle and signing Kemba were two really bad moves. Knick basketball is going backwards.

Depending on kemba health will determine our success. But it’s not what I would have done. We paid randle, next year we have to pay Mitch and in two years we would have to pay Rj. I would have wish we gone with the youth movement.

If Mitch was getting paid he would have got paid, he is gone

[robillionaire]

Mitch’s agent asked for Jarrett Allen money on an extension and Leon locked in Nerlens for a long term deal took a clone of him with pick 58 and said adios

[TerrenceClarke]

Cuz even a role playing Kemba is an upgrade over Elf. Just as a role playing Rose was an upgrade Dennis Brick Jr.

Playing kids just cuz they’re kids doesn’t accomplish development. At some point the young player has to show you they are worth the investment of their development.

As for IQ specifically, I’ve seen all I need to see to determine he is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is going to likely top out as a 6th man scoring undersized SG off the bench. And that’s exactly where he is slotted with the current roster construction.

Kemba/Rose even as role players who are not the former version of themselves is still an upgrade over where we started last season as our PG rotation. If you and Melo have concerns about their health and wish to develop kids at the position, well that is what Miles McBride is here for. Both veteran PGs will require load management and McBride can step in at those times. He also gets to go up against these two vets battling them in practice almost daily. He will develop fine in that setting, and way more rapidly than just being handed the keys to a team looking to win and risking having too much on his plate too early. It also beats a scenario where he is backing up Elf and masquerading as a savior cuz the fans prefer ANYONE to elf.

C’mon bro, if you’re telling me you preferred to see IQ for extended backup PG mins then you’re essentially telling me you wanted that to lead to further complaints cuz that would be a situation of miscasting him as something he’s clearly not — as we are currently seeing in Summer League.

Nah that’s not it!!!

He’s just mad that we didn’t sign his boy Schroeder!!!!

That’s what this kemba hate is all about!!!

Melo would have rather seen us lock up Schroeder for 15-18 mil a year instead of getting kemba!!!!

What kemba hate? Saying to temper down expectations is hate?

You’re the most terrible person on earth!!!!!