McDermott Signs with Spurs 3/$42m

[Nuntius]

Maybe? I assume that SA is sending us an unlikely to convey protected pick (maybe top 55 protected), while the protected pick we’re sending them may just be “top 40” or “top 45” protected. Then, SA has the “right to swap”. So, realistically, we’re likely sending them a 2nd and maybe trading down in 2nds in another draft.

Ah, gotcha. If that's the best then we best make good use of that TPE.

Sure. Even if we don’t (I mean, trades take two to tango), we at least have a lot more flexibility in our arsenal in deals. We’re probably going to see the TJ Leaf TPE expire today or tomorrow (I can’t remember which), but that’s ok. It’s out there in case we need it.

Yeah, it's true that trades take two to tango. Still, though, I'll be a bit miffed if we end up not using the TPE since it essentially cost us a second and we've shown this year that we can put these seconds in good use.

[Scoot McGroot]

Ah, gotcha. If that's the best then we best make good use of that TPE.

Sure. Even if we don’t (I mean, trades take two to tango), we at least have a lot more flexibility in our arsenal in deals. We’re probably going to see the TJ Leaf TPE expire today or tomorrow (I can’t remember which), but that’s ok. It’s out there in case we need it.

Yeah, it's true that trades take two to tango. Still, though, I'll be a bit miffed if we end up not using the TPE since it essentially cost us a second and we've shown this year that we can put these seconds in good use.

Meh. Have to get the TPE at the time of the deal (which would be in the past) in order to possibly be able to use it in the future in a trade. Can’t retroactively go back and creat the TPE. So, you just have to say you’re either going to be the type of organization that is proactive, and maybe possibly doesn’t use it, or the type of organization that is very reactive, and loses out on the possibility to ever use it even if they could have.

[Topofthekey]

Well, it's a sign that the team may be willing to take on additional salary, if such an opportunity were to arise

If the team was stingy and dead set against increasing payroll, they would just decline to create the TPE and keep the 2RP

[Scoot McGroot]

Well, it's a sign that the team may be willing to take on additional salary, if such an opportunity were to arise

If the team was stingy and dead set against increasing payroll, they would just decline to create the TPE and keep the 2RP

Not necessarily. It’s good for another year, so in theory, they could let Warren walk, and replace him with someone that makes $7.3m or so instead. In that hypothetical, it would allow them to cut payroll by using the TPE, in a way.

[Nuntius]

Sure. Even if we don’t (I mean, trades take two to tango), we at least have a lot more flexibility in our arsenal in deals. We’re probably going to see the TJ Leaf TPE expire today or tomorrow (I can’t remember which), but that’s ok. It’s out there in case we need it.

Yeah, it's true that trades take two to tango. Still, though, I'll be a bit miffed if we end up not using the TPE since it essentially cost us a second and we've shown this year that we can put these seconds in good use.

Meh. Have to get the TPE at the time of the deal (which would be in the past) in order to possibly be able to use it in the future in a trade. Can’t retroactively go back and creat the TPE. So, you just have to say you’re either going to be the type of organization that is proactive, and maybe possibly doesn’t use it, or the type of organization that is very reactive, and loses out on the possibility to ever use it even if they could have.

I get you and I'm glad that we're being proactive. I'm just hoping that it leads somewhere because if it doesn't then we just wasted a minor asset.

[Topofthekey]

Well, it's a sign that the team may be willing to take on additional salary, if such an opportunity were to arise

If the team was stingy and dead set against increasing payroll, they would just decline to create the TPE and keep the 2RP

Not necessarily. It’s good for another year, so in theory, they could let Warren walk, and replace him with someone that makes $7.3m or so instead. In that hypothetical, it would allow them to cut payroll by using the TPE, in a way.

I mean, if they let both Warren and Lamb walk, they'll be under the salary cap, so if they wanted someone for $7m they can probably just outright sign him without using a TPE

[pacers33granger]

No one likes wasting assets. But it's a small one and the TPE itself is an asset. Some of the more aggressive teams have shown that you can seemingly trade every last asset and still find ways into the 2nd round. Plus we know we won't tank so it's highly unlikely any of our own picks would be in the 30s.

[Scoot McGroot]

Well, it's a sign that the team may be willing to take on additional salary, if such an opportunity were to arise

If the team was stingy and dead set against increasing payroll, they would just decline to create the TPE and keep the 2RP

Not necessarily. It’s good for another year, so in theory, they could let Warren walk, and replace him with someone that makes $7.3m or so instead. In that hypothetical, it would allow them to cut payroll by using the TPE, in a way.

I mean, if they let both Warren and Lamb walk, they'll be under the salary cap, so if they wanted someone for $7m they can probably just outright sign him without using a TPE

No they won’t. The MLE and BAE count against the cap, so they would still be over the cap. And that’s only if they decline the option on Goga (which they have to decide in October before the season starts) for next season that it’s even close.

[Wizop]

I mean, if they let both Warren and Lamb walk, they'll be under the salary cap.

They'd probably be over the cap but under the tax. They could take on salary but they'd need to use exemptions or exceptions.

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[Topofthekey]

Not necessarily. It’s good for another year, so in theory, they could let Warren walk, and replace him with someone that makes $7.3m or so instead. In that hypothetical, it would allow them to cut payroll by using the TPE, in a way.

I mean, if they let both Warren and Lamb walk, they'll be under the salary cap, so if they wanted someone for $7m they can probably just outright sign him without using a TPE

No they won’t. The MLE and BAE count against the cap, so they would still be over the cap. And that’s only if they decline the option on Goga (which they have to decide in October before the season starts) for next season that it’s even close.

How much guaranteed salary do they have in 2023?

[Wizop]

How much guaranteed salary do they have in 2023?

Very little. Sabonis will have one more year and McConnell has a new longer contract and there are the rookie deals. Oh, and Warren's new contract. Turner, Brogdon, and LeVert will be free agents.

Google Pacer contracts for charts.

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[Topofthekey]

How much guaranteed salary do they have in 2023?

Very little. Sabonis will have one more year and McConnell has a new longer contract and there are the rookie deals. Oh, and Warren's new contract. Turner, Brogdon, and LeVert will be free agents.

Google Pacer contracts for charts.

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I used to do that, until I was told that the info on a lot of these sites are not accurate

[Jstock12]

How much guaranteed salary do they have in 2023?

Very little. Sabonis will have one more year and McConnell has a new longer contract and there are the rookie deals. Oh, and Warren's new contract. Turner, Brogdon, and LeVert will be free agents.

Google Pacer contracts for charts.

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I used to do that, until I was told that the info on a lot of these sites are not accurate

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator

[Scoot McGroot]

BasketballInsiders.com is pretty good. On a desktop, hover over the players names and you get some of the info on their contracts. A little slow to update after major movements like right now, though.

Spotrac.com is probably leading the way going forward in terms of accuracy and speed. Keith Smith (Smitty) shut down his contract sheets and took a job at Spotrac.

[Scoot McGroot]

Very little. Sabonis will have one more year and McConnell has a new longer contract and there are the rookie deals. Oh, and Warren's new contract. Turner, Brogdon, and LeVert will be free agents.

Google Pacer contracts for charts.

Sent from my phone.

I used to do that, until I was told that the info on a lot of these sites are not accurate

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator

Capulator is a fun tool but definitely misses stuff. I think they still haven’t got Oshae Brissett listed on there for the Pacers.

[Topofthekey]

Not necessarily. It’s good for another year, so in theory, they could let Warren walk, and replace him with someone that makes $7.3m or so instead. In that hypothetical, it would allow them to cut payroll by using the TPE, in a way.

I mean, if they let both Warren and Lamb walk, they'll be under the salary cap, so if they wanted someone for $7m they can probably just outright sign him without using a TPE

No they won’t. The MLE and BAE count against the cap, so they would still be over the cap. And that’s only if they decline the option on Goga (which they have to decide in October before the season starts) for next season that it’s even close.

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Pacers will have $105m in guaranteed salary in '23. The salary cap is going to be at $119m, so it does look like they have about $14m in cap space available if Warren and Lamb walked

They can even pick up the options of Goga and Brissett, and they'd still have about $8m left in cap space

So it does look like they can simply sign someone at $7m to replace Warren if they wanted to, without needing a TPE

[Scoot McGroot]

I mean, if they let both Warren and Lamb walk, they'll be under the salary cap, so if they wanted someone for $7m they can probably just outright sign him without using a TPE

No they won’t. The MLE and BAE count against the cap, so they would still be over the cap. And that’s only if they decline the option on Goga (which they have to decide in October before the season starts) for next season that it’s even close.

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Pacers will have $105m in guaranteed salary in '23. The salary cap is going to be at $119m, so it does look like they have about $14m in cap space available if Warren and Lamb walked

They can even pick up the options of Goga and Brissett, and they'd still have about $8m left in cap space

So it does look like they can simply sign someone at $7m to replace Warren if they wanted to, without needing a TPE

For the summer of 2022, You would have to renounce the rights to Warren, Lamb, Sumner, and Martin, and would have to give away our 1st round pick next year. Add in the cap holds for at least a 1st round pick, and the minimum roster charges (each player you have less than 13 gets a minimum roster charge added to your cap), and in this case, you’re likely at around $9m in cap space, or once the cap charge for the MLE is added on, you’re over the cap. So, likely still operating as an over the cap team.

So, if you say they could get to $8m under the cap, so they don’t need the $7.4m TPE, you’d be renouncing the use of the MLE (around $10m), so you’d be giving up a $7.4m TPE and the $10m MLE, all to use around $8m under the cap (realistically, $5m after accounting for a 1st rounders cap hold). So, the ability to sign someone for $5m with cap space, and then a $5m room exception? Or, keep the bird rights to Warren, use a $7.4m TPE, AND use the full MLE to sign someone for up to $10m?

For the summer of 2023, yeah, you could be under the cap if you don’t re-sign Warren, and renounce guys like Brogdon and Turner. But the TPE would be expired by then anyway.

To be under the cap and make it worthwhile, you absolutely have to get well under the cap to do so.

[Wizop]

So it does look like they can simply sign someone at $7m to replace Warren if they wanted to, without needing a TPE

even if they could, why should they want to add a $7mm guy to the roster instead of Warren? I suppose the answer could be because Warren has a bad 21-22 season but I wouldn't want that to happen.

[Topofthekey]

So it does look like they can simply sign someone at $7m to replace Warren if they wanted to, without needing a TPE

even if they could, why should they want to add a $7mm guy to the roster instead of Warren? I suppose the answer could be because Warren has a bad 21-22 season but I wouldn't want that to happen.

It was a reference to the hypothetical situation where they wanted to use the TPE to get someone cheaper to replace Warren, suggested by Scoot

[Scoot McGroot]

So it does look like they can simply sign someone at $7m to replace Warren if they wanted to, without needing a TPE

even if they could, why should they want to add a $7mm guy to the roster instead of Warren? I suppose the answer could be because Warren has a bad 21-22 season but I wouldn't want that to happen.

It was a reference to the hypothetical situation where they wanted to use the TPE to get someone cheaper to replace Warren, suggested by Scoot

Oh, I’m not suggesting they do that. I Merely was pushing back against a part of your post.