Vogel says extension with us !

[Slava]

LA times issued a correction saying they don’t know the duration of the extension.

[tamaraw08]

First year, Lakers had Danny Green, KCP, Caruso, Kuzma with Dwight and McGhee.
2nd year, Matthews replaced Green with a motivated speedster Schroder while benching Marc and Harrell because they can’t switch to perimeter shooters.
This season, no more KCP, Caruso and Kuzma, probably Matthews too, In comes Ellington, Melo, Nunn, let us see if he has this great ability to coach these guys to play defense and not bench them and not over rely on Bazemore and Ariza.

You might be the only one who still thinks Vogel needs to prove that coaching top defensive teams wasn't a fluke. Caruso is probably the only player we'll miss on defense. Ariza has not been a good defender in years.

Frank did a great job on defense especially after losing AD for 30 regular season games, but he also relied on his very good defensive players to execute his system.
He will just miss Caruso? You don’t think Schroder and especially KCP are good defenders who hounded quick PGs like Lillard, Steph, Mitchell etc?
For the Lakers sake I hope and pray Vogel can truly make this team play great especially on defense. I don’t want to hear excuses that he doesn’t have enough good defenders etc. I’m advocating for them to get Matthews and let Dudley be an assistant .

[tamaraw08]

First year, Lakers had Danny Green, KCP, Caruso, Kuzma with Dwight and McGhee.
2nd year, Matthews replaced Green with a motivated speedster Schroder while benching Marc and Harrell because they can’t switch to perimeter shooters.
This season, no more KCP, Caruso and Kuzma, probably Matthews too, In comes Ellington, Melo, Nunn, let us see if he has this great ability to coach these guys to play defense and not bench them and not over rely on Bazemore and Ariza.

You might be the only one who still thinks Vogel needs to prove that coaching top defensive teams wasn't a fluke. Caruso is probably the only player we'll miss on defense. Ariza has not been a good defender in years.

Frank did a great job on defense especially after losing AD for 30 regular season games, but he also relied on his very good defensive players to execute his system.
He will just miss Caruso? You don’t think Schroder and especially KCP are good defenders who hounded quick PGs like Lillard, Steph, Mitchell etc?
For the Lakers sake I hope and pray Vogel can truly make this team play great especially on defense. I don’t want to hear excuses that he doesn’t have enough good defenders etc. I’m advocating for them to get Matthewsiv and let Dudley be an assistant .

[Ball so hard]

You might be the only one who still thinks Vogel needs to prove that coaching top defensive teams wasn't a fluke. Caruso is probably the only player we'll miss on defense. Ariza has not been a good defender in years.

Frank did a great job on defense especially after losing AD for 30 regular season games, but he also relied on his very good defensive players to execute his system.
He will just miss Caruso? You don’t think Schroder and especially KCP are good defenders who hounded quick PGs like Lillard, Steph, Mitchell etc?
For the Lakers sake I hope and pray Vogel can truly make this team play great especially on defense. I don’t want to hear excuses that he doesn’t have enough good defenders etc. I’m advocating for them to get Matthewsiv and let Dudley be an assistant .

Schroder was good, KCP was average. I think you're seriously overvaluing what those guys brought to the table. You make it sound as though we lost a dominant defensive player and Vogel will be exposed. Schroder and Caruso were plus defenders. Kuz and KCP were average. Of the guys we brought in, only Baze has the potential to be a plus defender. I expect a slight drop in defense but I do expect a drop from top 5 to somewhere in the middle or bottom.

[Michael Lucky]

First year we won a championship.
Second year, we had the best statistical defense in the league despite so many injuries which is his bread and butter.

We're not going to find a better coach right now to replace him so the extension makes sense.

First year, Lakers had Danny Green, KCP, Caruso, Kuzma with Dwight and McGhee.
2nd year, Matthews replaced Green with a motivated speedster Schroder while benching Marc and Harrell because they can’t switch to perimeter shooters.
This season, no more KCP, Caruso and Kuzma, probably Matthews too, In comes Ellington, Melo, Nunn, let us see if he has this great ability to coach these guys to play defense and not bench them and not over rely on Bazemore and Ariza.

Lol because Caruso, KCP, and Kuzma were all known has great defenders before Vogel took over the team. In fact while KCP was serviceable, Kuzma was literally horrendous before Vogel took over on that end. Sounds like you are trying really hard to discredit Vogel.

[tamaraw08]

Frank did a great job on defense especially after losing AD for 30 regular season games, but he also relied on his very good defensive players to execute his system.
He will just miss Caruso? You don’t think Schroder and especially KCP are good defenders who hounded quick PGs like Lillard, Steph, Mitchell etc?
For the Lakers sake I hope and pray Vogel can truly make this team play great especially on defense. I don’t want to hear excuses that he doesn’t have enough good defenders etc. I’m advocating for them to get Matthewsiv and let Dudley be an assistant .

Schroder was good, KCP was average. I think you're seriously overvaluing what those guys brought to the table. You make it sound as though we lost a dominant defensive player and Vogel will be exposed. Schroder and Caruso were plus defenders. Kuz and KCP were average. Of the guys we brought in, only Baze has the potential to be a plus defender. I expect a slight drop in defense but I do expect a drop from top 5 to somewhere in the middle or bottom.

wait, you think I am seriously overvaluing those ex-Lakers and yet you expect a SLIGHT drop on defense from middle to BUTTOM?
They LEAD the entire league in DRTG last season so how much drop off are you expecting again, from 1st to 11th to ....20th something?

[tamaraw08]

First year we won a championship.
Second year, we had the best statistical defense in the league despite so many injuries which is his bread and butter.

We're not going to find a better coach right now to replace him so the extension makes sense.

First year, Lakers had Danny Green, KCP, Caruso, Kuzma with Dwight and McGhee.
2nd year, Matthews replaced Green with a motivated speedster Schroder while benching Marc and Harrell because they can’t switch to perimeter shooters.
This season, no more KCP, Caruso and Kuzma, probably Matthews too, In comes Ellington, Melo, Nunn, let us see if he has this great ability to coach these guys to play defense and not bench them and not over rely on Bazemore and Ariza.

Lol because Caruso, KCP, and Kuzma were all known has great defenders before Vogel took over the team. In fact while KCP was serviceable, Kuzma was literally horrendous before Vogel took over on that end. Sounds like you are trying really hard to discredit Vogel.

As a Lakers fan, I am hoping and praying that Vogel would succeed with what ever players they acquire. I do NOT want to replace him, but I am slightly pessimistic on how he will handle this current roster full of offensive minded players. The Lakers played great defense the past 2 years with him relying on several good defenders on the team, it's not like he used shooters like Troy Daniels and Dudley and their defense didn't falter. If he succeed, the Lakers succeed so I want him to do well, so much so, I want Rob to bring back Matthews instead of giving that spot to Dudley who can help this team as an assistant

[stan francisco]

First year we won a championship.
Second year, we had the best statistical defense in the league despite so many injuries which is his bread and butter.

We're not going to find a better coach right now to replace him so the extension makes sense.

Soon to be two championships.

Two in three years would be pretty good.

I’m all for the extension. Nice job, Rob.

[Ball so hard]

Frank did a great job on defense especially after losing AD for 30 regular season games, but he also relied on his very good defensive players to execute his system.
He will just miss Caruso? You don’t think Schroder and especially KCP are good defenders who hounded quick PGs like Lillard, Steph, Mitchell etc?
For the Lakers sake I hope and pray Vogel can truly make this team play great especially on defense. I don’t want to hear excuses that he doesn’t have enough good defenders etc. I’m advocating for them to get Matthewsiv and let Dudley be an assistant .

Schroder was good, KCP was average. I think you're seriously overvaluing what those guys brought to the table. You make it sound as though we lost a dominant defensive player and Vogel will be exposed. Schroder and Caruso were plus defenders. Kuz and KCP were average. Of the guys we brought in, only Baze has the potential to be a plus defender. I expect a slight drop in defense but I do expect a drop from top 5 to somewhere in the middle or bottom.

wait, you think I am seriously overvaluing those ex-Lakers and yet you expect a SLIGHT drop on defense from middle to BUTTOM?
They LEAD the entire league in DRTG last season so how much drop off are you expecting again, from 1st to 11th to ....20th something?

That was a typo. I meant I do not expect a significant drop to somewhere in the middle or toward the bottom. In a nutshell I think our defense will be fine. Vogel's defensive schemes are what made our defense great and not any individual player. It's not like Utah losing Gobert and replacing him with Towns.

[snaquille oatmeal]

Enough is enough.

Def need to change thread name to:
Lakers: never enough, more Vogel please!

[iamworthy]

Well deserved. Can't believe Ty lue passed up as opportunity to coach LeBron and AD

[Beethoven]

Well deserved. Can't believe Ty lue passed up as opportunity to coach LeBron and AD

Well, he's definitely in a good situation w the clippers

[snaquille oatmeal]

Well deserved. Can't believe Ty lue passed up as opportunity to coach LeBron and AD

Well, he's definitely in a good situation w the clippers

Respect to the Western Conference Champions…..oh wait!

[tamaraw08]

Schroder was good, KCP was average. I think you're seriously overvaluing what those guys brought to the table. You make it sound as though we lost a dominant defensive player and Vogel will be exposed. Schroder and Caruso were plus defenders. Kuz and KCP were average. Of the guys we brought in, only Baze has the potential to be a plus defender. I expect a slight drop in defense but I do expect a drop from top 5 to somewhere in the middle or bottom.

wait, you think I am seriously overvaluing those ex-Lakers and yet you expect a SLIGHT drop on defense from middle to BUTTOM?
They LEAD the entire league in DRTG last season so how much drop off are you expecting again, from 1st to 11th to ....20th something?

That was a typo. I meant I do not expect a significant drop to somewhere in the middle or toward the bottom. In a nutshell I think our defense will be fine. Vogel's defensive schemes are what made our defense great and not any individual player. It's not like Utah losing Gobert and replacing him with Towns.

I hope you and some fans here are right, I just don't want to hear excuses if they do indeed drop and start allowing easy baskets. I don't want to hear "well, these players suck, blah blah and it's not Vogel's fault. I don't know what to think of Fizdale, I am fine with Frank but I am still hesitant to give him that full credit on why this team has been great on defense yet.

[danfantastk32]

I hope you and some fans here are right, I just don't want to hear excuses if they do indeed drop and start allowing easy baskets. I don't want to hear "well, these players suck, blah blah and it's not Vogel's fault. I don't know what to think of Fizdale, I am fine with Frank but I am still hesitant to give him that full credit on why this team has been great on defense yet.

Ok, but then back at you: If you think it was the players, and not so much the coach....then why do you get to blame the coach if they all left (not his decision) and the defense suffers?

[tamaraw08]

I hope you and some fans here are right, I just don't want to hear excuses if they do indeed drop and start allowing easy baskets. I don't want to hear "well, these players suck, blah blah and it's not Vogel's fault. I don't know what to think of Fizdale, I am fine with Frank but I am still hesitant to give him that full credit on why this team has been great on defense yet.

Ok, but then back at you: If you think it was the players, and not so much the coach....then why do you get to blame the coach if they all left (not his decision) and the defense suffers?

I don't recall blaming Vogel specifically for their defense. I do whine occasionally about his lack of creativity on offense.
I am simply hesitating to give him full credit Yet, for their superiority on defense bec of the presence of good defenders. As a Lakers fan, I hope and pray I am wrong and that BSH and his fans here are right, that they would be fine and I won't hesitate to own it like when I admitted I was wrong about KCP. I want him to succeed, that I would prefer them to bring back Matthews as a back up defender

[danfantastk32]

I hope you and some fans here are right, I just don't want to hear excuses if they do indeed drop and start allowing easy baskets. I don't want to hear "well, these players suck, blah blah and it's not Vogel's fault. I don't know what to think of Fizdale, I am fine with Frank but I am still hesitant to give him that full credit on why this team has been great on defense yet.

Ok, but then back at you: If you think it was the players, and not so much the coach....then why do you get to blame the coach if they all left (not his decision) and the defense suffers?

I don't recall blaming Vogel specifically for their defense. I do whine occasionally about his lack of creativity on offense.
I am simply hesitating to give him full credit Yet, for their superiority on defense bec of the presence of good defenders. As a Lakers fan, I hope and pray I am wrong and that BSH and his fans here are right, that they would be fine and I won't hesitate to own it like when I admitted I was wrong about KCP. I want him to succeed, that I would prefer them to bring back Matthews as a back up defender

Personally, I think Vogel is fine. Not 'one of the best', but he does the job. I think he certainly hangs his hat on the defensive side, and because of that emphasis, the team is good at D. This team will prob be quite different. I think the defense will certainly lack. It will be a challenge for Vogel to get these guys to play good D, and if he manages to do that this year, then I will slide his name into the 'very good coach' list. I don't know how much "Power" so to speak Vogel will have over the team this year. I don't think it's fair to blame Lebron, and say he's giving the orders....as he seems to work with coaches he respects, and he seems to be fine with Vogel, and I'm sure Lebron has been asked before the extension. That being said.....this is quite a crew we brought in this year. I think most of them will be looking to Lebron. Vogel will have to navigate this....and if he is smart, he'll 'pick his battles' with the players, and let them do their thing, if they at least bring defensive effort. We'll see.

It will be an interesting year. I don't know if Vogel is up for it....but I think he can do it. He needs to keep Lebron happy, and insist on defensive effort. Not great defense.....defensive effort. If he gets that, I think Lebron, Russ, will take care of the rest.

[tamaraw08]

Ok, but then back at you: If you think it was the players, and not so much the coach....then why do you get to blame the coach if they all left (not his decision) and the defense suffers?

I don't recall blaming Vogel specifically for their defense. I do whine occasionally about his lack of creativity on offense.
I am simply hesitating to give him full credit Yet, for their superiority on defense bec of the presence of good defenders. As a Lakers fan, I hope and pray I am wrong and that BSH and his fans here are right, that they would be fine and I won't hesitate to own it like when I admitted I was wrong about KCP. I want him to succeed, that I would prefer them to bring back Matthews as a back up defender

Personally, I think Vogel is fine. Not 'one of the best', but he does the job. I think he certainly hangs his hat on the defensive side, and because of that emphasis, the team is good at D. This team will prob be quite different. I think the defense will certainly lack. It will be a challenge for Vogel to get these guys to play good D, and if he manages to do that this year, then I will slide his name into the 'very good coach' list. I don't know how much "Power" so to speak Vogel will have over the team this year. I don't think it's fair to blame Lebron, and say he's giving the orders....as he seems to work with coaches he respects, and he seems to be fine with Vogel, and I'm sure Lebron has been asked before the extension. That being said.....this is quite a crew we brought in this year. I think most of them will be looking to Lebron. Vogel will have to navigate this....and if he is smart, he'll 'pick his battles' with the players, and let them do their thing, if they at least bring defensive effort. We'll see.

It will be an interesting year. I don't know if Vogel is up for it....but I think he can do it. He needs to keep Lebron happy, and insist on defensive effort. Not great defense.....defensive effort. If he gets that, I think Lebron, Russ, will take care of the rest.

We are not that far off with our assessment with Vogel. I too think he is a fine coach, and YES, if this team manages to play good D, then will "slide into a very good coach level". I really think though, that no current player are planning to relax on defense bec they know Frank would hold everybody accountable and their minutes would be based on that. One concern is their foot speed, can Monk, Russ and THT, chase quick players like Steph, Lillard, Mitchell etc? Can they really fight through screens? Will they be fast enough to close down on shooters? How would Vogel react when they try to target shooters like Ellington? Will he jump and say F this, Wayne is out, I'll play Bazemore for 38 minutes and I don't care if Kent is struggling from the field?

[LAKESHOW]

He has deficiencies as a coach. But hey, around here, its all about The Championship Trophy. And he has achieved that. So all is good.

[Ball so hard]

wait, you think I am seriously overvaluing those ex-Lakers and yet you expect a SLIGHT drop on defense from middle to BUTTOM?
They LEAD the entire league in DRTG last season so how much drop off are you expecting again, from 1st to 11th to ....20th something?

That was a typo. I meant I do not expect a significant drop to somewhere in the middle or toward the bottom. In a nutshell I think our defense will be fine. Vogel's defensive schemes are what made our defense great and not any individual player. It's not like Utah losing Gobert and replacing him with Towns.

I hope you and some fans here are right, I just don't want to hear excuses if they do indeed drop and start allowing easy baskets. I don't want to hear "well, these players suck, blah blah and it's not Vogel's fault. I don't know what to think of Fizdale, I am fine with Frank but I am still hesitant to give him that full credit on why this team has been great on defense yet.

To whom do you give full credit? Again, stop making it seems as though we lost perennial all-defensive team players. You expect the defense to be awful. We get it. Just come out and own that position. Just about everyone agrees that in aggregate the outgoing players are better defensive players than the incoming. However, you're probably the only one who thinks the difference between the outgoing and incoming players on defense is so great that you expect team defense to tank.