NBA Summer League 2021, Championship Game -- Celtics vs Kings -- Aug. 17, 9PM

[Matt5]

I liked seeing Jaylen present in the audience for the game! I think that speaks to his maturity and commitment to this team.

[themoneyteam2]

can't wait for mods to come down hard on you like they selectively do for me. Grow up. What are you 12?

Clearly not that hard since you’re still allowed to post here lol. And he laid out his response eloquently explaining it and that’s your response to it? LMAO

Blow me, you stalking c.u.n.t

Good one?

[TH15]

Thoughts from the first SL game re guys I care about:

Pritchard
His 3-pt shooting is safely elite at the NBA level. He made some nice clutch plays in addition to the shooting, I remember one box out rebound in particular.

Romeo
Showed great leadership being vocal on both sides of the ball (a trait I did not know he had), and stepping up in the clutch making the game winner. Also looked more aggressive and confident in his 3-ball, and the new form looks promising. Rebounded well. Was not very effective with his drives. Want to see him set up others more off drives and get to the foul line

Nesmith
Was his usual active self. Shot poorly and did not do much to stand out as a difference maker. Not worried after 1 SL game. a few more 3's fall and perception would be reversed.

Madar
Posted my thoughts in Yam's thread. TL;DR: very impressed with his 17 mins. Something about his offensive swagger gives me a Jason Williams/A.I. vibe, and he's got the AB/Rondo defensive swag down.

Begarin
For a guy who just turned 19, I was impressed. Great size/strength/athleticism combo. Hit a few corner 3's, came up with a big defensive play in the clutch. Ball handling and passing skills seem advanced for his age. I liked that he challenged Johnson at the rim even though he still made the basket.

Moving forward I am cool with Pritchard bowing out and giving Yam more minutes to audition for a 2-way or legit roster spot. I look to see Romeo and Nesmith each put together a "best player on the floor" type of game. Romeo filling up the stat sheet and Nesmith putting together an efficient 20+ point game. I still believe in these guys.

[Parliament10]

Clearly not that hard since you’re still allowed to post here lol. And he laid out his response eloquently explaining it and that’s your response to it? LMAO

Blow me, you stalking c.u.n.t

Good one?

Can you let it go, please?
One person can't conduct a conversation.

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[Theocy]

Payton keeps this shooting up and improves his on court presence he’ll be a near max player soon.

Calling it

I can't tell if you're joking with this take.

Near max contract would be $25-$30 mil a yr. That is a crazy amount for an undersized PG who plays below average defense, below average playmaker.

It's even crazier to jump to such a conclusion after 1 game...1 meaningless summer league game at that. Pritchard looked good, but keep in mind he shot 39% from the floor (not terrible but not great either). and. had a +/- of -3.

I like Pritchard, love his shooting and love his confidence. He should be a solid player off the bench for us this year. But this take seems to be going overboard - unless you were joking, of course..

I said keep shooting up and improved his presence mu man. Genuinely if he was to do that he isnt a role player he is a really good player.

Plus i’m high on Payton for almost a year. Not just a game. And i am exaggerating a bit yes

[cloverleaf]

Payton keeps this shooting up and improves his on court presence he’ll be a near max player soon.

Calling it

I can't tell if you're joking with this take.

Near max contract would be $25-$30 mil a yr. That is a crazy amount for an undersized PG who plays below average defense, below average playmaker.

It's even crazier to jump to such a conclusion after 1 game...1 meaningless summer league game at that. Pritchard looked good, but keep in mind he shot 39% from the floor (not terrible but not great either). and. had a +/- of -3.

I like Pritchard, love his shooting and love his confidence. He should be a solid player off the bench for us this year. But this take seems to be going overboard - unless you were joking, of course..

Oh, come now. There's room for Payton and Yam on this team. No reason to misstate Payton's quite impressive rookie year. As a rook PP shot .411 from 3 and had a .582 TS%. (He shot a 44% FG% overall, not 39%.) And his on court and on/off were virtually identical to Rob's. (That was -0.3, not -3.)

With the cap going up, $25M may not be that farfetched for Pritchard's 2nd contract. There are some very well-paid PGs of PP's size and defensive prowess. All depends on how his next 3 years of development go.

[Hal14]

Payton keeps this shooting up and improves his on court presence he’ll be a near max player soon.

Calling it

I can't tell if you're joking with this take.

Near max contract would be $25-$30 mil a yr. That is a crazy amount for an undersized PG who plays below average defense, below average playmaker.

It's even crazier to jump to such a conclusion after 1 game...1 meaningless summer league game at that. Pritchard looked good, but keep in mind he shot 39% from the floor (not terrible but not great either). and. had a +/- of -3.

I like Pritchard, love his shooting and love his confidence. He should be a solid player off the bench for us this year. But this take seems to be going overboard - unless you were joking, of course..

Oh, come now. There's room for Payton and Yam on this team. No reason to misstate Payton's quite impressive rookie year. As a rook PP shot .411 from 3 and had a .582 TS%. (He shot a 44% FG% overall, not 39%.) And his on court and on/off were virtually identical to Rob's. (That was -0.3, not -3.)

With the cap going up, $25M may not be that farfetched for Pritchard's 2nd contract. There are some very well-paid PGs of PP's size and defensive prowess. All depends on how his next 3 years of development go.

The +/- stat and the FG% stats were just from yesterday's game. I just pointed out yesterday's game because it seems like quite a few people are jumping to some crazy conclusions about how good Pritchard is, based seemingly off 1 summer league game so I was just putting his performance yesterday in perspective.

There's definitely room for both Pritchard and Madar on the team. They're both very young and have good potential for the future.

[TheMartian]

A few takeaways on our rooks after seeing the game:

Yam Madar - Liked his game. Very active hands caused a few turnovers for the Hawks. He's got a nice floater and knows how to pick his spots on offense. A pest on the defensive end. Hope he lands on the team.

Juhann Begarin - I was looking for the explosiveness I saw on his scouting videos, but he seemed a bit slower and heavier in this game. Did he gain weight? Need too see more of him in the next game.

[Kalela]

A few takeaways on our rooks after seeing the game:

Yam Madar - Liked his game. Very active hands caused a few turnovers for the Hawks. He's got a nice floater and knows how to pick his spots on offense. A pest on the defensive end. Hope he lands on the team.

Juhann Begarin - I was looking for the explosiveness I saw on his scouting videos, but he seemed a bit slower and heavier in this game. Did he gain weight? Need too see more of him in the next game.

Same here. He looks a little out of shape. I hope he is not fond of food like Yabusele.

[Hal14]

A few takeaways on our rooks after seeing the game:
Juhann Begarin - I was looking for the explosiveness I saw on his scouting videos, but he seemed a bit slower and heavier in this game. Did he gain weight? Need too see more of him in the next game.

Yeah I think he gained some weight. I saw some sites listed him at 192 lbs but now he's 214 lbs so guessing at some point in the past year or so he gained 22 lbs.

He did show some of that burst/explosiveness on the play where he stole the ball to ice the game. But yeah, hopefully getting into more of an NBA strength and conditioning program will help him get into better shape..

[bucknersrevenge]

I can't tell if you're joking with this take.

Near max contract would be $25-$30 mil a yr. That is a crazy amount for an undersized PG who plays below average defense, below average playmaker.

It's even crazier to jump to such a conclusion after 1 game...1 meaningless summer league game at that. Pritchard looked good, but keep in mind he shot 39% from the floor (not terrible but not great either). and. had a +/- of -3.

I like Pritchard, love his shooting and love his confidence. He should be a solid player off the bench for us this year. But this take seems to be going overboard - unless you were joking, of course..

Oh, come now. There's room for Payton and Yam on this team. No reason to misstate Payton's quite impressive rookie year. As a rook PP shot .411 from 3 and had a .582 TS%. (He shot a 44% FG% overall, not 39%.) And his on court and on/off were virtually identical to Rob's. (That was -0.3, not -3.)

With the cap going up, $25M may not be that farfetched for Pritchard's 2nd contract. There are some very well-paid PGs of PP's size and defensive prowess. All depends on how his next 3 years of development go.

The +/- stat and the FG% stats were just from yesterday's game. I just pointed out yesterday's game because it seems like quite a few people are jumping to some crazy conclusions about how good Pritchard is, based seemingly off 1 summer league game so I was just putting his performance yesterday in perspective.

There's definitely room for both Pritchard and Madar on the team. They're both very young and have good potential for the future.

I liked what I saw of Madar very much. I hope we get to see a lot more of him over the remaining 4 games. Pritchard doesn't need to play in this setting anymore anyway. But I saw some of what you have been chirping about in your personal scouting report in terms of potentially translatable skills, so considering our back and forths in the past, to that end, you're probably owed a victory lap or two. Nobody has been in his corner deeper than you.

All that said, it's a numbers game and when I say numbers, I mean both with regard to money, and roster slots alike. And right now Yam faces an uphill battle. Obviously I don't need to explain his situation which you well know but with Dunn now added to the team, unless he goes later on in a deal, I can't see how Brad doesn't just make the easy choice to send him back and play out the remainder of his contract while we sort out our roster situation this season. I think it's pretty clear that Pritchard is gonna play behind Marcus. I don't know if the Schroeder thing happens but if it does, that is the definite nail in the coffin. If it doesn't and Kris Dunn stays, his defense will probably be the choice. Brad would have to cut Parker at this point to sign Yam and Yam would need to make a pretty compelling case.

That said, I look forward to seeing what more this kid can do over the next 4 games and we'll see what happens.

[cloverleaf]

I can't tell if you're joking with this take.

Near max contract would be $25-$30 mil a yr. That is a crazy amount for an undersized PG who plays below average defense, below average playmaker.

It's even crazier to jump to such a conclusion after 1 game...1 meaningless summer league game at that. Pritchard looked good, but keep in mind he shot 39% from the floor (not terrible but not great either). and. had a +/- of -3.

I like Pritchard, love his shooting and love his confidence. He should be a solid player off the bench for us this year. But this take seems to be going overboard - unless you were joking, of course..

Oh, come now. There's room for Payton and Yam on this team. No reason to misstate Payton's quite impressive rookie year. As a rook PP shot .411 from 3 and had a .582 TS%. (He shot a 44% FG% overall, not 39%.) And his on court and on/off were virtually identical to Rob's. (That was -0.3, not -3.)

With the cap going up, $25M may not be that farfetched for Pritchard's 2nd contract. There are some very well-paid PGs of PP's size and defensive prowess. All depends on how his next 3 years of development go.

The +/- stat and the FG% stats were just from yesterday's game. I just pointed out yesterday's game because it seems like quite a few people are jumping to some crazy conclusions about how good Pritchard is, based seemingly off 1 summer league game so I was just putting his performance yesterday in perspective.

There's definitely room for both Pritchard and Madar on the team. They're both very young and have good potential for the future.

Ha ha. Sorry. And even worse. He was 23/5/5 while shooting 7-15 from 3 for 23 points on 18 shots. But I actually was disappointed with how far into the game it seemed to take him to look to set up his teammates. Also that he really only shot from distance. Better start-of-game management to get a few points on the board early, either by going to the hole or getting your teammates some easy shots. Once Yam got the team back on course, however, PP came on strong for a solid overall game. Better to end strong, at least.

[cloverleaf]

Romeo's shot was on, which is important, and they were putting him in a playmaking role. He also grabbed 6 boards, so was an active contributor all around--despite the TOs.

Ya I dont know if I'd describe Romeo as "awful." 12/6/4 on nine shots is fine. They were clearly letting him operate a little with the ball in his hands which I like.

Its really just gonna come down to shooting for Romeo. If he can hit league average he'll have a long career because he's a good defender and has some intriguing passing potential.

They need to start developing or acquiring better playmakers on this team. I see no problem with them using summer league and d-league to do so. Romeo has a chance, but needs a lot of work.

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[Larry_Russell]

Oh, come now. There's room for Payton and Yam on this team. No reason to misstate Payton's quite impressive rookie year. As a rook PP shot .411 from 3 and had a .582 TS%. (He shot a 44% FG% overall, not 39%.) And his on court and on/off were virtually identical to Rob's. (That was -0.3, not -3.)

With the cap going up, $25M may not be that farfetched for Pritchard's 2nd contract. There are some very well-paid PGs of PP's size and defensive prowess. All depends on how his next 3 years of development go.

The +/- stat and the FG% stats were just from yesterday's game. I just pointed out yesterday's game because it seems like quite a few people are jumping to some crazy conclusions about how good Pritchard is, based seemingly off 1 summer league game so I was just putting his performance yesterday in perspective.

There's definitely room for both Pritchard and Madar on the team. They're both very young and have good potential for the future.

I liked what I saw of Madar very much. I hope we get to see a lot more of him over the remaining 4 games. Pritchard doesn't need to play in this setting anymore anyway. But I saw some of what you have been chirping about in your personal scouting report in terms of potentially translatable skills, so considering our back and forths in the past, to that end, you're probably owed a victory lap or two. Nobody has been in his corner deeper than you.

All that said, it's a numbers game and when I say numbers, I mean both with regard to money, and roster slots alike. And right now Yam faces an uphill battle. Obviously I don't need to explain his situation which you well know but with Dunn now added to the team, unless he goes later on in a deal, I can't see how Brad doesn't just make the easy choice to send him back and play out the remainder of his contract while we sort out our roster situation this season. I think it's pretty clear that Pritchard is gonna play behind Marcus. I don't know if the Schroeder thing happens but if it does, that is the definite nail in the coffin. If it doesn't and Kris Dunn stays, his defense will probably be the choice. Brad would have to cut Parker at this point to sign Yam and Yam would need to make a pretty compelling case.

That said, I look forward to seeing what more this kid can do over the next 4 games and we'll see what happens.

I think Dunn plays a backup wing spot. He has the size and defensive ability to do so. And Richardson has the size to play the SF spot as well.

So we could be looking at a bench lineup of
Pritchard
Dunn
Richardson
GrantW
Horford

Not a big lineup by any stretch, but it certainly would work. Also a possibility of Richardson starting at sg Nesmith as the backup SF as well. (I just personally like Richardson handling the ball on that second unit and creating shots for Horford, Grant and Pritchard who all convert 3s at a good rate, and Nesmith floor spacing and hustle paired with the jays)

As of today at least, everything could change in 10 minutes.

[cloverleaf]

So as Celtics fans are we supposed to go along with the fiction that Carsen showed what a shooter he was yesterday, despite going 2-8 from 3 and 6-17 overall? If we all pretend, will that make it easier for Brad to slip him in on a deal as filler?

[TH15]

The +/- stat and the FG% stats were just from yesterday's game. I just pointed out yesterday's game because it seems like quite a few people are jumping to some crazy conclusions about how good Pritchard is, based seemingly off 1 summer league game so I was just putting his performance yesterday in perspective.

There's definitely room for both Pritchard and Madar on the team. They're both very young and have good potential for the future.

I liked what I saw of Madar very much. I hope we get to see a lot more of him over the remaining 4 games. Pritchard doesn't need to play in this setting anymore anyway. But I saw some of what you have been chirping about in your personal scouting report in terms of potentially translatable skills, so considering our back and forths in the past, to that end, you're probably owed a victory lap or two. Nobody has been in his corner deeper than you.

All that said, it's a numbers game and when I say numbers, I mean both with regard to money, and roster slots alike. And right now Yam faces an uphill battle. Obviously I don't need to explain his situation which you well know but with Dunn now added to the team, unless he goes later on in a deal, I can't see how Brad doesn't just make the easy choice to send him back and play out the remainder of his contract while we sort out our roster situation this season. I think it's pretty clear that Pritchard is gonna play behind Marcus. I don't know if the Schroeder thing happens but if it does, that is the definite nail in the coffin. If it doesn't and Kris Dunn stays, his defense will probably be the choice. Brad would have to cut Parker at this point to sign Yam and Yam would need to make a pretty compelling case.

That said, I look forward to seeing what more this kid can do over the next 4 games and we'll see what happens.

I think Dunn plays a backup wing spot. He has the size and defensive ability to do so. And Richardson has the size to play the SF spot as well.

So we could be looking at a bench lineup of
Pritchard
Dunn
Richardson
GrantW
Horford

Not a big lineup by any stretch, but it certainly would work. Also a possibility of Richardson starting at sg Nesmith as the backup SF as well. (I just personally like Richardson handling the ball on that second unit and creating shots for Horford, Grant and Pritchard who all convert 3s at a good rate, and Nesmith floor spacing and hustle paired with the jays)

As of today at least, everything could change in 10 minutes.

Is Dunn's defense that much better than Langford's, to edge him out as the backup 2 in the above lineup? Romeo has a much higher ceiling at 21 than Dunn who likely is who he is at 27.

[Larry_Russell]

I liked what I saw of Madar very much. I hope we get to see a lot more of him over the remaining 4 games. Pritchard doesn't need to play in this setting anymore anyway. But I saw some of what you have been chirping about in your personal scouting report in terms of potentially translatable skills, so considering our back and forths in the past, to that end, you're probably owed a victory lap or two. Nobody has been in his corner deeper than you.

All that said, it's a numbers game and when I say numbers, I mean both with regard to money, and roster slots alike. And right now Yam faces an uphill battle. Obviously I don't need to explain his situation which you well know but with Dunn now added to the team, unless he goes later on in a deal, I can't see how Brad doesn't just make the easy choice to send him back and play out the remainder of his contract while we sort out our roster situation this season. I think it's pretty clear that Pritchard is gonna play behind Marcus. I don't know if the Schroeder thing happens but if it does, that is the definite nail in the coffin. If it doesn't and Kris Dunn stays, his defense will probably be the choice. Brad would have to cut Parker at this point to sign Yam and Yam would need to make a pretty compelling case.

That said, I look forward to seeing what more this kid can do over the next 4 games and we'll see what happens.

I think Dunn plays a backup wing spot. He has the size and defensive ability to do so. And Richardson has the size to play the SF spot as well.

So we could be looking at a bench lineup of
Pritchard
Dunn
Richardson
GrantW
Horford

Not a big lineup by any stretch, but it certainly would work. Also a possibility of Richardson starting at sg Nesmith as the backup SF as well. (I just personally like Richardson handling the ball on that second unit and creating shots for Horford, Grant and Pritchard who all convert 3s at a good rate, and Nesmith floor spacing and hustle paired with the jays)

As of today at least, everything could change in 10 minutes.

Is Dunn's defense that much better than Langford's, to edge him out as the backup 2 in the above lineup? Romeo has a much higher ceiling at 21 than Dunn who likely is who he is at 27.

At this point i would say yes.

[Fencer reregistered]

I liked seeing Jaylen present in the audience for the game! I think that speaks to his maturity and commitment to this team.

I've been dubious about that sort of thing ever since Pierce showed up ... and gave guys $100 each for flashy dunks.

But yeah -- it does seem more likely to be a good thing than a bad one.

[cloverleaf]

The +/- stat and the FG% stats were just from yesterday's game. I just pointed out yesterday's game because it seems like quite a few people are jumping to some crazy conclusions about how good Pritchard is, based seemingly off 1 summer league game so I was just putting his performance yesterday in perspective.

There's definitely room for both Pritchard and Madar on the team. They're both very young and have good potential for the future.

I liked what I saw of Madar very much. I hope we get to see a lot more of him over the remaining 4 games. Pritchard doesn't need to play in this setting anymore anyway. But I saw some of what you have been chirping about in your personal scouting report in terms of potentially translatable skills, so considering our back and forths in the past, to that end, you're probably owed a victory lap or two. Nobody has been in his corner deeper than you.

All that said, it's a numbers game and when I say numbers, I mean both with regard to money, and roster slots alike. And right now Yam faces an uphill battle. Obviously I don't need to explain his situation which you well know but with Dunn now added to the team, unless he goes later on in a deal, I can't see how Brad doesn't just make the easy choice to send him back and play out the remainder of his contract while we sort out our roster situation this season. I think it's pretty clear that Pritchard is gonna play behind Marcus. I don't know if the Schroeder thing happens but if it does, that is the definite nail in the coffin. If it doesn't and Kris Dunn stays, his defense will probably be the choice. Brad would have to cut Parker at this point to sign Yam and Yam would need to make a pretty compelling case.

That said, I look forward to seeing what more this kid can do over the next 4 games and we'll see what happens.

I think Dunn plays a backup wing spot. He has the size and defensive ability to do so. And Richardson has the size to play the SF spot as well.

So we could be looking at a bench lineup of
Pritchard
Dunn
Richardson
GrantW
Horford

Not a big lineup by any stretch, but it certainly would work. Also a possibility of Richardson starting at sg Nesmith as the backup SF as well. (I just personally like Richardson handling the ball on that second unit and creating shots for Horford, Grant and Pritchard who all convert 3s at a good rate, and Nesmith floor spacing and hustle paired with the jays)

As of today at least, everything could change in 10 minutes.

I don't think we want that limited an offense and to ditch Aaron and Romeo from the rotation.

[cloverleaf]

I liked seeing Jaylen present in the audience for the game! I think that speaks to his maturity and commitment to this team.

I've been dubious about that sort of thing ever since Pierce showed up ... and gave guys $100 each for flashy dunks.

But yeah -- it does seem more likely to be a good thing than a bad one.

Pierce never really got beyond being a bit of a knucklehead.