Free Agency Thread

[SO_MONEY]

I agree with all of you but a player that your looking for doesn't exist for the wolves unless we give up major assets to aquire. We have two players to build around right now so we should build around those players right now.

Unless I'm missing someone the two best players left that we could aquire is Simmons or Lauri. I'm not looking to give the assets needed to obtain Simmons. Lauri is there for minimum assets that could make our team better now so why not do it? Lauri would be our starting 4, he would be better than juancho or vando. But again depends on how much we can get him for.

Two players to build around? C'mon.

You're not even hiding the fact you are trolling.

[SO_MONEY]

I agree with all of you but a player that your looking for doesn't exist for the wolves unless we give up major assets to aquire. We have two players to build around right now so we should build around those players right now.

Unless I'm missing someone the two best players left that we could aquire is Simmons or Lauri. I'm not looking to give the assets needed to obtain Simmons. Lauri is there for minimum assets that could make our team better now so why not do it? Lauri would be our starting 4, he would be better than juancho or vando. But again depends on how much we can get him for.

Wouldn’t be so sure about that minimum assets part. Bulls are not going to do him any favors after he refused go to San Antonio. Certainly won’t be taking any worthless players or bad contracts back.

Depends on how much CHI values Lauri on the QO and not getting anything for him. Otherwise a S&T is in the best interest of the Bulls. If there are multiple options the more the Bulls may get, if there are few options or the interest is limited than expirings and a 2nd or two is around market value.

[Dewey]

I agree with all of you but a player that your looking for doesn't exist for the wolves unless we give up major assets to aquire. We have two players to build around right now so we should build around those players right now.

Unless I'm missing someone the two best players left that we could aquire is Simmons or Lauri. I'm not looking to give the assets needed to obtain Simmons. Lauri is there for minimum assets that could make our team better now so why not do it? Lauri would be our starting 4, he would be better than juancho or vando. But again depends on how much we can get him for.

Wouldn’t be so sure about that minimum assets part. Bulls are not going to do him any favors after he refused go to San Antonio. Certainly won’t be taking any worthless players or bad contracts back.

Depends on how much CHI values Lauri on the QO and not getting anything for him. Otherwise a S&T is in the best interest of the Bulls. If there are multiple options the more the Bulls may get, if there are few options or the interest is limited than expirings and a 2nd or two is around market value.

Agree ... CHI to spend $9 million or so on a player they are not moving forward with seems off, but I suppose they could hold until the deadline. On the flip-side, if we swap two smaller contracts for Lauri it may be easier for the bulls to move one or both.

Still comes down to us adding the pick and thats a no for me. Beasley swap I'm 50/50 on ... both mediocre defenders and both shoot the 3 ... both good ft% ... one is 7' with a few injuries and the other has been pretty healthy.

[SO_MONEY]

Wouldn’t be so sure about that minimum assets part. Bulls are not going to do him any favors after he refused go to San Antonio. Certainly won’t be taking any worthless players or bad contracts back.

Depends on how much CHI values Lauri on the QO and not getting anything for him. Otherwise a S&T is in the best interest of the Bulls. If there are multiple options the more the Bulls may get, if there are few options or the interest is limited than expirings and a 2nd or two is around market value.

Agree ... CHI to spend $9 million or so on a player they are not moving forward with seems off, but I suppose they could hold until the deadline. On the flip-side, if we swap two smaller contracts for Lauri it may be easier for the bulls to move one or both.

Still comes down to us adding the pick and thats a no for me. Beasley swap I'm 50/50 on ... both mediocre defenders and both shoot the 3 ... both good ft% ... one is 7' with a few injuries and the other has been pretty healthy.

Wouldn't trade Beasley either.

[shrink]

I agree with all of you but a player that your looking for doesn't exist for the wolves unless we give up major assets to aquire. We have two players to build around right now so we should build around those players right now.

Unless I'm missing someone the two best players left that we could aquire is Simmons or Lauri. I'm not looking to give the assets needed to obtain Simmons. Lauri is there for minimum assets that could make our team better now so why not do it? Lauri would be our starting 4, he would be better than juancho or vando. But again depends on how much we can get him for.

Wouldn’t be so sure about that minimum assets part. Bulls are not going to do him any favors after he refused go to San Antonio. Certainly won’t be taking any worthless players or bad contracts back.

Well, I don’t think they will limit their organization just to punish Lauri.

For example, didn’t you just get Lonzo Ball for a Sato ($10 mil) and Garrett Temple ($5 mil a year for three years)? Ball is comparable to Lauri, but the Pels took back some mediocre salary for future trades. The Bulls didn’t give the Pelicans a 1st for the Ball S+T, and I would not expect Lauri to bring back a 1st.

[WindyCityBorn]

I agree with all of you but a player that your looking for doesn't exist for the wolves unless we give up major assets to aquire. We have two players to build around right now so we should build around those players right now.

Unless I'm missing someone the two best players left that we could aquire is Simmons or Lauri. I'm not looking to give the assets needed to obtain Simmons. Lauri is there for minimum assets that could make our team better now so why not do it? Lauri would be our starting 4, he would be better than juancho or vando. But again depends on how much we can get him for.

Wouldn’t be so sure about that minimum assets part. Bulls are not going to do him any favors after he refused go to San Antonio. Certainly won’t be taking any worthless players or bad contracts back.

Well, I don’t think they will limit their organization just to punish Lauri.

For example, didn’t you just get Lonzo Ball for a Sato ($10 mil) and Garrett Temple ($5 mil a year for three years)? Ball is comparable to Lauri, but the Pels took back some mediocre salary for future trades. The Bulls didn’t give the Pelicans a 1st for the Ball S+T, and I would not expect Lauri to bring back a 1st.

I didn’t say a first, but it won’t be some scrub coming back us. Also we gave up Young who was very important to us and a future first to acquire Derozan because that was the only way to get the Spurs to our bad contract. So yeah we yeah getting a very good player, high potential young player, multiple good bench players or a first. Otherwise we can just renounce him. No need to take any trash that can’t help us.

[Dewey]

Wouldn’t be so sure about that minimum assets part. Bulls are not going to do him any favors after he refused go to San Antonio. Certainly won’t be taking any worthless players or bad contracts back.

Well, I don’t think they will limit their organization just to punish Lauri.

For example, didn’t you just get Lonzo Ball for a Sato ($10 mil) and Garrett Temple ($5 mil a year for three years)? Ball is comparable to Lauri, but the Pels took back some mediocre salary for future trades. The Bulls didn’t give the Pelicans a 1st for the Ball S+T, and I would not expect Lauri to bring back a 1st.

I didn’t say a first, but it won’t be some scrub coming back us. Also we gave up Young who was very important to us and a future first to acquire Derozan because that was the only way to get the Spurs to our bad contract. So yeah we yeah getting a very good player, high potential young player, multiple good bench players or a first. Otherwise we can just renounce him. No need to take any trash that can’t help us.

Haha… you’ll get what you get from whoever

[SO_MONEY]

Wouldn’t be so sure about that minimum assets part. Bulls are not going to do him any favors after he refused go to San Antonio. Certainly won’t be taking any worthless players or bad contracts back.

Well, I don’t think they will limit their organization just to punish Lauri.

For example, didn’t you just get Lonzo Ball for a Sato ($10 mil) and Garrett Temple ($5 mil a year for three years)? Ball is comparable to Lauri, but the Pels took back some mediocre salary for future trades. The Bulls didn’t give the Pelicans a 1st for the Ball S+T, and I would not expect Lauri to bring back a 1st.

I didn’t say a first, but it won’t be some scrub coming back us. Also we gave up Young who was very important to us and a future first to acquire Derozan because that was the only way to get the Spurs to our bad contract. So yeah we yeah getting a very good player, high potential young player, multiple good bench players or a first. Otherwise we can just renounce him. No need to take any trash that can’t help us.

I think it was explained pretty well why that is unlikely.

[WindyCityBorn]

Well, I don’t think they will limit their organization just to punish Lauri.

For example, didn’t you just get Lonzo Ball for a Sato ($10 mil) and Garrett Temple ($5 mil a year for three years)? Ball is comparable to Lauri, but the Pels took back some mediocre salary for future trades. The Bulls didn’t give the Pelicans a 1st for the Ball S+T, and I would not expect Lauri to bring back a 1st.

I didn’t say a first, but it won’t be some scrub coming back us. Also we gave up Young who was very important to us and a future first to acquire Derozan because that was the only way to get the Spurs to our bad contract. So yeah we yeah getting a very good player, high potential young player, multiple good bench players or a first. Otherwise we can just renounce him. No need to take any trash that can’t help us.

Haha… you’ll get what you get from whoever

Why hasn’t he been traded yet then?

[WindyCityBorn]

Well, I don’t think they will limit their organization just to punish Lauri.

For example, didn’t you just get Lonzo Ball for a Sato ($10 mil) and Garrett Temple ($5 mil a year for three years)? Ball is comparable to Lauri, but the Pels took back some mediocre salary for future trades. The Bulls didn’t give the Pelicans a 1st for the Ball S+T, and I would not expect Lauri to bring back a 1st.

I didn’t say a first, but it won’t be some scrub coming back us. Also we gave up Young who was very important to us and a future first to acquire Derozan because that was the only way to get the Spurs to our bad contract. So yeah we yeah getting a very good player, high potential young player, multiple good bench players or a first. Otherwise we can just renounce him. No need to take any trash that can’t help us.

I think it was explained pretty well why that is unlikely.

You didn’t explain anything. If there are multiple teams with offers he will accept we are free to choose the best one. Spurs were gonna lose Derozan for nothing and got a 1st out of it.

[shrink]

I didn’t say a first, but it won’t be some scrub coming back us. Also we gave up Young who was very important to us and a future first to acquire Derozan because that was the only way to get the Spurs to our bad contract. So yeah we yeah getting a very good player, high potential young player, multiple good bench players or a first. Otherwise we can just renounce him. No need to take any trash that can’t help us.

I think it was explained pretty well why that is unlikely.

You didn’t explain anything. If there are multiple teams with offers he will accept we are free to choose the best one. Spurs were gonna lose Derozan for nothing and got a 1st out of it.

The Spurs were in a situation where they could tell the Bulls, “Look, we have plenty of money that isn’t doing anything to just bring him back, if you don’t cough up a 1st.” The Pelicans weren’t in that position. I don’t think the Bulls are in that position either, which is why I used Lonzo and the Pels as the example. I definitely don’t see multiple team offers for Lauri at this point.

Also, sorry if it sounded like I was implying that you said the Bulls would get a 1st. I wanted to mention it because the Bulls organization is claiming that’s what they want. I don’t think they’ll get it. I also agree with you that the Bulls won’t take untradable trash salary, but they would likely take mediocre, Sato-level, contracts to maintain their flexibility for a future trade. MIN is full of expirings, which could be useful matching salary at the deadline.

Finally, I should also mention that I do not want Lauri on the Wolves in a longterm contract for our expirings .. at least on the expensive, multi-year contract he seems to want. I am stating the position about sign-and-trades because that is realistically what we see happen in many of these situations, not because it would make me happy. And I should also note, I am probably in the minority of Wolves fans in my opinion.

[Battletrigger]

I didn’t say a first, but it won’t be some scrub coming back us. Also we gave up Young who was very important to us and a future first to acquire Derozan because that was the only way to get the Spurs to our bad contract. So yeah we yeah getting a very good player, high potential young player, multiple good bench players or a first. Otherwise we can just renounce him. No need to take any trash that can’t help us.

I think it was explained pretty well why that is unlikely.

You didn’t explain anything. If there are multiple teams with offers he will accept we are free to choose the best one. Spurs were gonna lose Derozan for nothing and got a 1st out of it.

You are free to do nothing since you are not part of the organization.

[WindyCityBorn]

I think it was explained pretty well why that is unlikely.

You didn’t explain anything. If there are multiple teams with offers he will accept we are free to choose the best one. Spurs were gonna lose Derozan for nothing and got a 1st out of it.

You are free to do nothing since you are not part of the organization.

Nice rebuttal. This RealGM where we discuss potential moves we have no control over.

[Battletrigger]

You didn’t explain anything. If there are multiple teams with offers he will accept we are free to choose the best one. Spurs were gonna lose Derozan for nothing and got a 1st out of it.

You are free to do nothing since you are not part of the organization.

Nice rebuttal. This RealGM where we discuss potential moves we have no control over.

Of course, I didn't want to be too rude. Only that was surprised for the speak form, like if we could decide anything.

English is not my native language, it's the third or fourth so sometimes some sentences have different meanings when I translate them.

[SO_MONEY]

I didn’t say a first, but it won’t be some scrub coming back us. Also we gave up Young who was very important to us and a future first to acquire Derozan because that was the only way to get the Spurs to our bad contract. So yeah we yeah getting a very good player, high potential young player, multiple good bench players or a first. Otherwise we can just renounce him. No need to take any trash that can’t help us.

I think it was explained pretty well why that is unlikely.

You didn’t explain anything. If there are multiple teams with offers he will accept we are free to choose the best one. Spurs were gonna lose Derozan for nothing and got a 1st out of it.

Both Shrink and I explained it clearly. We did and we don't need to subject ourselves to further responses with regards to things we addressed. K'.

[Baseline81]

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Either way, each team that has inquired about Markkanen would have to now add him via sign-and-trade, as cap space has dwindled across the league. Dallas, New Orleans, Boston, and Minnesota have all shown interest in signing Markkanen to deals worth around $15 million in average annual value, sources said, but the Bulls are seeking a first-round pick in exchange for helping facilitate the transaction. Additionally, Chicago brass are requiring Markkanen's new team to find a third trade partner to take on the outgoing salary needed to create space for Markkanen's contract.

For a third team to take on unwanted salary, this hypothetical front office would also ask for draft-pick compensation. So any team that wants to add Markkanen now would have to send a first-round pick to Chicago and likely another first or two second-rounders elsewhere. It's a clear roadblock the Bulls seem to have intentionally created.

Chicago is playing this masterfully from no other perspective than a contract management standpoint," said one team capologist. "It won't do any favors relationship-wise, but they're bleeding his market based on their tax situation, and nobody else can offer him any kind of money without them."

[shrink]

LOL! CHI supposedly wants cap space with their 1st, but waits two weeks into free agency, when there is little cap space left in the league?

And they failed at the Spurs trade (which Markannen shut down), because they secretly wanted to increase their leverage by waiting?

And right now, their front office is under investigation for tampering?

Yeah that CHI front office is so “masterful!” Talk about CHI spin!

[IceManBK1]

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Either way, each team that has inquired about Markkanen would have to now add him via sign-and-trade, as cap space has dwindled across the league. Dallas, New Orleans, Boston, and Minnesota have all shown interest in signing Markkanen to deals worth around $15 million in average annual value, sources said, but the Bulls are seeking a first-round pick in exchange for helping facilitate the transaction. Additionally, Chicago brass are requiring Markkanen's new team to find a third trade partner to take on the outgoing salary needed to create space for Markkanen's contract.

For a third team to take on unwanted salary, this hypothetical front office would also ask for draft-pick compensation. So any team that wants to add Markkanen now would have to send a first-round pick to Chicago and likely another first or two second-rounders elsewhere. It's a clear roadblock the Bulls seem to have intentionally created.

Chicago is playing this masterfully from no other perspective than a contract management standpoint," said one team capologist. "It won't do any favors relationship-wise, but they're bleeding his market based on their tax situation, and nobody else can offer him any kind of money without them."

Prince+Huancho+late 1st for Lauri+Coby white. Prince is exp.. And huancho contract for 22 is nonguaranteed. We get starting PF and backup Pg. They get cap space next summer and 1st rder. Both sides get what they want.

[Battletrigger]

Easy pass

[SO_MONEY]

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Either way, each team that has inquired about Markkanen would have to now add him via sign-and-trade, as cap space has dwindled across the league. Dallas, New Orleans, Boston, and Minnesota have all shown interest in signing Markkanen to deals worth around $15 million in average annual value, sources said, but the Bulls are seeking a first-round pick in exchange for helping facilitate the transaction. Additionally, Chicago brass are requiring Markkanen's new team to find a third trade partner to take on the outgoing salary needed to create space for Markkanen's contract.

For a third team to take on unwanted salary, this hypothetical front office would also ask for draft-pick compensation. So any team that wants to add Markkanen now would have to send a first-round pick to Chicago and likely another first or two second-rounders elsewhere. It's a clear roadblock the Bulls seem to have intentionally created.

Chicago is playing this masterfully from no other perspective than a contract management standpoint," said one team capologist. "It won't do any favors relationship-wise, but they're bleeding his market based on their tax situation, and nobody else can offer him any kind of money without them."

Prince+Huancho+late 1st for Lauri+Coby white. Prince is exp.. And huancho contract for 22 is nonguaranteed. We get starting PF and backup Pg. They get cap space next summer and 1st rder. Both sides get what they want.

Pass.