The too early Suggs vs. Barnes thread

[DelAbbot]

Scottie has the edge because he plays for the Raptors and not the magic. The raptors have a way better player development staff than the magic.

Most of the draft picks would rather play for Toronto than the magic. Even if Scottie turns out to be the better player, it's hard to know how well Suggs would have been.

I think we need to stop worrying about Suggs. We have Scottie, lets move on from comparing these two.

They’ll be compared for as long as Barnes is a Raptor. Suggs was viewed as the obvious pick and we passed on him. It was a risky as hell draft choice.

Suggs was perrrrfecct for this team post Lowry


But I believe in Masai and Barnes.

But still….Suggs was perrrrrfffffectttt for us

Malachi Flynn will make you forget Suggs

[goattted]

i think people forget to notice that masai drafted flynn the year before. Imagine being Masai drafting flynn probably promising him and his dad that there was a future with the team and then to turn around and draft suggs. Even if barnes wasnt in this draft i feel masai would have picked kuminga. My point is, it was more than just scottie barnes vs suggs but that in addition to barnes physical stats and upside drafting suggs would have been redundant.

[Tor_Raps]

Why couldn't we just draft Suggs so life could be easier. If Suggs sucked, it could have been easier to swallow lol.

[HKBOY]

Suggs was the guy I wanted since January on this forum. I thought for sure he would have been our pick at 4. However, we picked Barnes, and Suggs is in Orlando. I am hoping both guys do well in their new cities. I do not like the fact some Raptor fans on Twitter and even in this forum, are hoping for the downfall of Suggs. Toronto passed on him, so why root for his failure? I thought Suggs would have been dynamic under Toronto's development system, and next to FVV. Now rooting for Barnes to be that player in a couple of years.

I swear if Masai picked Suggs, everyone here would be calling him a future HOFer and Barnes is just a PJ Tucker. 90%+ of the fans here wanted Suggs but now they just want to see him fail so that they could feel better with the pick.

[simple_jack]

They’ll be compared for as long as Barnes is a Raptor. Suggs was viewed as the obvious pick and we passed on him. It was a risky as hell draft choice.

Suggs was perrrrfecct for this team post Lowry


But I believe in Masai and Barnes.

But still….Suggs was perrrrrfffffectttt for us

Malachi Flynn will make you forget Suggs

I hope you’re right

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Suggs is clearly the better player right now and he will be a star in 2-3 years. Barnes will have a solid career, but unless he becomes Kawhi 2.0, this will always be the wrong pick imo. If we were drafting at 5-7 instead, then Barnes would have been a good pick.

He is nothing like Kawhi. Just watching that one game of summer league I can see why people compare him to Draymond. If he becomes anything close to Draymond he would be a steal at #4 for us.

Edit: preferably he becomes a better scorer than Draymond.

I think Barnes will be a good player but with the 4th pick in a top 4 draft, I would much rather pick a Brandon Roy/Jason Kidd over a Draymond/AK47, especially when we have no one who can create his own shot effectively.

You've never ever watched Jason Kidd play i presume....

[simple_jack]

i think people forget to notice that masai drafted flynn the year before. Imagine being Masai drafting flynn probably promising him and his dad that there was a future with the team and then to turn around and draft suggs. Even if barnes wasnt in this draft i feel masai would have picked kuminga. My point is, it was more than just scottie barnes vs suggs but that in addition to barnes physical stats and upside drafting suggs would have been redundant.

ain’t nobody give a damn about Flynn and his dad judging our draft selection

[HKBOY]

He is nothing like Kawhi. Just watching that one game of summer league I can see why people compare him to Draymond. If he becomes anything close to Draymond he would be a steal at #4 for us.

Edit: preferably he becomes a better scorer than Draymond.

I think Barnes will be a good player but with the 4th pick in a top 4 draft, I would much rather pick a Brandon Roy/Jason Kidd over a Draymond/AK47, especially when we have no one who can create his own shot effectively.

You've never ever watched Jason Kidd play i presume....

Trust me, I had. Kidd was playing for the Suns when I started watching.

[DelAbbot]

When I was shocked by the Barnes pick on draft night - I was NOT upset at us skipping Suggs, because it was clear Masai/Bobby didn't believe in Suggs. I was upset that after a year of Tampa / covid tanking season, we ended up with such a raw prospect (due to my uninformed opinion of Barnes).

After cooling down, I am open to Barnes and believe he can fulfill a very high potential. At no point throughout did I think about comparing Barnes and Suggs career. There is really no need to compare them.

[WaltFrazier]

i think people forget to notice that masai drafted flynn the year before. Imagine being Masai drafting flynn probably promising him and his dad that there was a future with the team and then to turn around and draft suggs. Even if barnes wasnt in this draft i feel masai would have picked kuminga. My point is, it was more than just scottie barnes vs suggs but that in addition to barnes physical stats and upside drafting suggs would have been redundant.

Right, so Masai passed on Suggs so as not to upset Malachi and his dad.

Malachi can be a nice backup point guard, which is a very good thing. But Suggs is 6'4 vs 6'1, and has star quality. He would start beside FVV right away if we'd drafted him.

[Raptors Realtor]

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[simple_jack]

When I was shocked by the Barnes pick on draft night - I was NOT upset at us skipping Suggs, because it was clear Masai/Bobby didn't believe in Suggs. I was upset that after a year of Tampa / covid tanking season, we ended up with such a raw prospect (due to my uninformed opinion of Barnes).

After cooling down, I am open to Barnes and believe he can fulfill a very high potential. At no point throughout did I think about comparing Barnes and Suggs career. There is really no need to compare them.

Not sure if you were around during the Ross/Drummond days but it’s inevitable.

They will be compared for as long as both players remain with their original teams. It is what it is.

[RaptorNews]

Suggs looks like way more NBA ready

He could be great which would be sad for us but won’t root against him

Barnes also looked very comfortable in ways I’m not used to seeing from raw prospects

[WaltFrazier]

Suggs was the guy I wanted since January on this forum. I thought for sure he would have been our pick at 4. However, we picked Barnes, and Suggs is in Orlando. I am hoping both guys do well in their new cities. I do not like the fact some Raptor fans on Twitter and even in this forum, are hoping for the downfall of Suggs. Toronto passed on him, so why root for his failure? I thought Suggs would have been dynamic under Toronto's development system, and next to FVV. Now rooting for Barnes to be that player in a couple of years.

I swear if Masai picked Suggs, everyone here would be calling him a future HOFer and Barnes is just a PJ Tucker. 90%+ of the fans here wanted Suggs but now they just want to see him fail so that they could feel better with the pick.

Except, as I posted earlier, we would hardly even be talking about Barnes.

[Knightro]

I was probably/definitely the single biggest proponent for Scottie Barnes over on the Magic board. I absolutely loved the guy and had him ahead of Kuminga by a mile. I was totally locked and loaded to pick him at 5 thinking Suggs would go 4.

All that said, I think both teams are going to be *very* happy with their selections.

I think both guys have all-star potential and the desire to reach it.

[kalel123]

The choice is already made. Barnes is a Raptors so I'll be rooting all the way for him to succeed until he gives me a damn good reason to do otherwise.

[Young_Buc]

If you need to cope, pretend Malachi was #4. He looked fantastic. Curry/Trae like in his bag. We just know him as the guy last year.

But yeah, in terms of Suggs vs Barnes. Barnes in terms of the eye test looks like he could be a great player but the kind of player you draft mid-late lotto and hope you develop him.... Kind of like kuminga

[NinjaBro]

Man I really loved the way Suggs played tonight. Grabbing rebounds, diving for loose balls, taking charges, making great passes. This is straight up Lowry 2.0 with more athleticism. Kid is a star.

[Risk101]

I'm not gonna give the typical raptor answer. I'm salty that we passed up on Suggs. That being said I want Barnes to unsalt my saltiness.

[simple_jack]

Raps board watching Suggs all season