The too early Suggs vs. Barnes thread

CANsportsguru · Post #81 » by **CANsportsguru** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:12 am

EH15 wrote:Davion Mitchell is nothing like Lowry lol

If you actually watched any of his games he has the exact same offensive moves as Lowry.

baller16 · Post #82 » by **baller16** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:16 am

Suggs just looks like a winning player to me. He impacts the game on both ends and his shooting ability will only get better. The big question mark was his shot creation ability but I think he did pretty good on that end tonight.

If Barnes doesn't learn how to become a respectable shooter, then we really messed up. I ain't to worried yet though

Madvillainy2004 · Post #83 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:19 am

Lol these draft takes are funny even the Ross vs Drummond thing has flip flopped over the past 9 years with the end result being Ross > Drummond as Dre is barely hanging onto his NBA career even tho he's a former Allstar. Anyways my point is this is kinda dumb unless we get a "mega bust vs mega star difference" like Luka and Bagley. It's probably gonna be going on for years so anyways let's cheer Scottie and revist this at least at the end of THIS season.

Jadoogar · Post #84 » by **Jadoogar** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:23 am

Badonkadonk wrote:They both look great.

This is the right take but our board is incapable of being objective

Johnny Bball · Post #85 » by **Johnny Bball** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:24 am

Just like with Cunningham after his first game, some people are already making excuses for Suggs blaming other players or the organization for this or that. And that **** is just funny.

Jadoogar · Post #86 » by **Jadoogar** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:26 am

Reeko wrote:
simple_jack wrote:
NinjaBro wrote:

Absolute blasphemy, the greatest Raptor of all time.

Yea that’s pretty dumb. Lowry still gets underrated.

Also please don’t put Draymond in that company. We still don’t know what Draymond looks like away from a team with the 2 greatest shooters of all time.

Like I've said before, having the two greatest shooters of all time didn't make Draymond a DPOY.

but he would have 100% been a bigger offensive liability and may not have been able to play as many minutes.

anotherhomer · Post #87 » by **anotherhomer** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:26 am

It's a big risk...only time will tell in 5 years ....
Even if it doesn't work out...it be akin to ayton versus Luka....

PhilBlackson · Post #88 » by **PhilBlackson** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:31 am

baller16 wrote:Suggs just looks like a winning player to me. He impacts the game on both ends and his shooting ability will only get better. The big question mark was his shot creation ability but I think he did pretty good on that end tonight.

If Barnes doesn't learn how to become a respectable shooter, then we really messed up. I ain't to worried yet though

Just trying to understand this rationale & narrative of what makes Suggs seem like a "winning player" (Barnes team won by double digits, Suggs by a single point that needed OT)....

The concern is if Barnes doesn't become a "respectable shooter"...I mean they shot within a couple percentage points of each other (neither were impressive) BUT Barnes is 6'9 and extremely long and has the ability add some post game as well this is also while Barnes had MORE rebounds, assists AND less turnovers...

It's funny how narratives are built, one guy apparently looks like a star and the other we have to worry about despite arguably having the better game overall.

Isn't that something?!

OhCanada1091 · Post #89 » by **OhCanada1091** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:35 am

WaltFrazier wrote:Just think. If we had drafted Suggs, there wouldn't be all this doubt and hand wringing about Barnes. There wouldn't be a season long debate shaping up. We'd be thrilled with our new Kyle replacement, and Barnes would be another 6'8 athlete. Who might not shine on the inferior Magic the way Suggs will.

I'm not too sure Suggs shines in Toronto the way he's going to shine in Orlando. He would join the Raptors as the 4th option at best behind OG, Siakam, Van Vleet. Then you gotta take Trent into consideration and also your pretty much just giving up on Malachi who at this point in his development looks a bit more polished skill wise, while he will never be the physical athlete Suggs is.

Suggs says some odd stuff sometimes too about leadership and being able to lead veterans. Like after this game he was talking about pulling guys aside in Summer League and telling them where they need to be. Bruh, these guys want your shots lol. Thats all great, its what he should be doing, but I don't see why he has to go tell the postgame interviewer how he was pulling guys aside and telling them their role. Just seems like a corny thing to do.

I'd imagine he would get iced out by Freddy and Siakam doing things like that and would not be good for team chemistry. Either that or he would be humbled quickly. He's great for Orlando but I don't think Toronto would have been an excellent fit for him to do his thing.

OhCanada1091 · Post #90 » by **OhCanada1091** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:39 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
baller16 wrote:Suggs just looks like a winning player to me. He impacts the game on both ends and his shooting ability will only get better. The big question mark was his shot creation ability but I think he did pretty good on that end tonight.

If Barnes doesn't learn how to become a respectable shooter, then we really messed up. I ain't to worried yet though

Just trying to understand this rationale & narrative of what makes Suggs seem like a "winning player" (Barnes team won by double digits, Suggs by a single point that needed OT)....

The concern is if Barnes doesn't become a "respectable shooter"...I mean they shot within a couple percentage points of each other (neither were impressive) BUT Barnes is 6'9 and extremely long and has the ability add some post game as well this is also while Barnes had MORE rebounds, assists AND less turnovers...

It's funny how narratives are built, one guy apparently looks like a star and the other we have to worry about despite arguably having the better game overall.

Isn't that something?!

Barnes doesn't even have to shoot well, thats the thing. He's just out there making plays however he can. Like that first steal he got, he had no business getting it. He just sort of smelled it out, anticipated some awkwardness and got the steal. Most guys would've jogged back to their defensive set. He's a disruptor, a playmaker. If he rebounds well consistently we hit the jackpot.

Rapsalot · Post #91 » by **Rapsalot** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:40 am

For me it is how the team progresses in next 2-3 years. I would do Barnes vs Mobley who the Raps should have worked very hard to get.

Chandan · Post #92 » by **Chandan** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:45 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
baller16 wrote:Suggs just looks like a winning player to me. He impacts the game on both ends and his shooting ability will only get better. The big question mark was his shot creation ability but I think he did pretty good on that end tonight.

If Barnes doesn't learn how to become a respectable shooter, then we really messed up. I ain't to worried yet though

Just trying to understand this rationale & narrative of what makes Suggs seem like a "winning player" (Barnes team won by double digits, Suggs by a single point that needed OT)....

The concern is if Barnes doesn't become a "respectable shooter"...I mean they shot within a couple percentage points of each other (neither were impressive) BUT Barnes is 6'9 and extremely long and has the ability add some post game as well this is also while Barnes had MORE rebounds, assists AND less turnovers...

It's funny how narratives are built, one guy apparently looks like a star and the other we have to worry about despite arguably having the better game overall.

Isn't that something?!

yeah it's weird, i'd much rather have 18/10/5 than 24/9/1 if we are strictly looking at stats.
i'd argue that having only 1 assist as a guard over 28:00 play time is sort of a flag.

NinjaBro · Post #93 » by **NinjaBro** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:46 am

OhCanada1091 wrote:I'm not too sure Suggs shines in Toronto the way he's going to shine in Orlando. He would join the Raptors as the 4th option at best behind OG, Siakam, Van Vleet.

I'm not even sure that would be the case. We've seen Siakam and Van Vleet as the first options and it's not pretty, unless you enjoy seeing Vanvleet pound the rock for 23 seconds and dish it out to OG for a hail mary.

Suggs easily fits in and gives us a more dynamic offensive threat that scores on 3 levels and makes all the winning plays like Lowry does. I could easily see him groomed to be our floor general, kid has star potential.

God Squad · Post #94 » by **God Squad** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:46 am

Even after Suggs first game I'm solid on Barnes. Not wavering now.

NinjaBro · Post #95 » by **NinjaBro** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:52 am

That said I do like Barnes and I do feel like we kind of won the offseason because we got Masai back and he's going to be our leader for a very long time with some very big ambitions for our organization going forward, so it's really hard to get me down on that.

Had we drafted Suggs there would be no angst and the summer would've been perfect. Now we have to hold on to our butts that Barnes works out.

ItsDanger · Post #96 » by **ItsDanger** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:54 am

Your true comparison will be their performance against the best teams and players in the league. That's 3 months away.

OhCanada1091 · Post #97 » by **OhCanada1091** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:54 am

Chandan wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
baller16 wrote:Suggs just looks like a winning player to me. He impacts the game on both ends and his shooting ability will only get better. The big question mark was his shot creation ability but I think he did pretty good on that end tonight.

If Barnes doesn't learn how to become a respectable shooter, then we really messed up. I ain't to worried yet though

Just trying to understand this rationale & narrative of what makes Suggs seem like a "winning player" (Barnes team won by double digits, Suggs by a single point that needed OT)....

The concern is if Barnes doesn't become a "respectable shooter"...I mean they shot within a couple percentage points of each other (neither were impressive) BUT Barnes is 6'9 and extremely long and has the ability add some post game as well this is also while Barnes had MORE rebounds, assists AND less turnovers...

It's funny how narratives are built, one guy apparently looks like a star and the other we have to worry about despite arguably having the better game overall.

Isn't that something?!

yeah it's weird, i'd much rather have 18/10/5 than 24/9/1 if we are strictly looking at stats.
i'd argue that having only 1 assist as a guard over 28:00 play time is sort of a flag.

Nah no red flag. SL teams are ass. They forced him into that role Hampton and Anthony wouldnt pass the ball back to him, and they couldn't score to get him assists.

OhCanada1091 · Post #98 » by **OhCanada1091** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:57 am

NinjaBro wrote:
OhCanada1091 wrote:I'm not too sure Suggs shines in Toronto the way he's going to shine in Orlando. He would join the Raptors as the 4th option at best behind OG, Siakam, Van Vleet.

I'm not even sure that would be the case. We've seen Siakam and Van Vleet as the first options and it's not pretty, unless you enjoy seeing Vanvleet pound the rock for 23 seconds and dish it out to OG for a hail mary.

Suggs easily fits in and gives us a more dynamic offensive threat that scores on 3 levels and makes all the winning plays like Lowry does. I could easily see him groomed to be our floor general, kid has star potential.

Thats great and all, you might even be right. But theres always the chance that Van Vleet, OG and Siakam would ice him out because they are the vets with the big contracts and it would look very different then when Anthony and Hampton iced him out because the Raptors players aren't ass. Scottie can blend in and is open to learning under those guys, letting them have their shine, and effecting the game in other ways.

Rebel INS · Post #99 » by **Rebel INS** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:04 am

It's been one summer league game, wtf is this board going to be like this season

Time to remove realgm from the bookmarks and forget my password

kanahda ballz · Post #100 » by **kanahda ballz** » Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:55 am

Raptors Realtor wrote:Hopefully it's not the Drummond/T-Ross debate all over again... However, my guess is this one will be magnified/debated way more.

Nine years on and even that debate is still going on.

Earlier on in their careers Drummond was way ahead of T Ross.

Now I'd say they are about even....with T Ross possibly passing Drummond (especially if Terrence ends up on a contender soon).

Who ya got?