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MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.4 - Beasley Time

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.4 - Beasley Time 

Post#1401 » by 3ballbomber » Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:38 am

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AirP. wrote:I could understand being rusty, I don't understand how bad his movements with the ball are nearing his 3rd year of being a professional which is key because he has had time and the money to work on his game. My issue with KZ is that either he can't get better or doesn't have the work ethic to become better, it's alarming at this point and Miami has to make a decision with him at the end of next season with his contract ending.

I think Miami envisioned KZ being a cheap replacement for DJJ but that's not worked as plan and that's fine, everyone misses on draft picks because you don't know how passionate they will be with working on their game, sometimes you take chances and miss.

Unless KZ is traded he's not going anywhere this year, if they make a trade maybe they can add him to the package to create another open roster spot.


Alarming? Really? :lol: He's an end of the bench developmental player. If it works, great, if it doesn't, you move on.

I mean, do you have any kind of insider information from coaches or scouts related to his work ethic? And I honestly ask that since you say it with such conviction.

From my perspective, the only fact is that I don't know any better about KZ than you do. What I do know is that the sample size of games that were available to fans like us has been small so far. I get that he might not be to your liking, I can respect that but your statements about the use of his time, money or work ethic he might be lacking are pure speculative at this point. I don't find any of it alarming. Give it time for a bigger sample size is all I am saying.

Well, Miami did give up 3 2nd round picks for him, the Miami brain trust rated him as a 1st round talent and Miami did give him a 3 year contract with no option where even first rounders get 2 years with team options on the 3rd and 4th years. Currently he's taking up a roster spot that may be better utilized by another young player that's hasn't had a chance to prove themselves.

Also, I do have eyes and see someone doing basically nothing different on the offensive end after 2 years of being a professional. If there was some real progress that was viewable even if he wasn't successful that would be one thing, a project moving forward but he really hasn't gotten any better.

Have watched NBA since '84. Like most here, who've been watching the association for a long time, you know talent when you see it. May get some wrong w/ judgement but for the most part you can sense & predict trajectory of most players. I don't see anything in KZ. Never have & still don't. Reinforced even more by his Olympic outing, where he had the opportunity of freedom to showcase himself, he showed the same of what he usually does in a Heat uniform - good defensively & weak on offensive end. I've mentioned before that we baby this kid as if he's going to develop into some sort of significant talent. I think we're wasting our time. Bring this up if i'm wrong but he's not that guy. He's not cut form that cloth.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.4 - Beasley Time 

Post#1402 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:38 am

Guessing Bacon signed with the Knicks for more then the minimum.
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Post#1403 » by Bishop45 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:19 am

Hope Goran ends up on a team that wins a ring, but that comment was in poor taste
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Post#1404 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:28 am

Bishop45 wrote:Hope Goran ends up on a team that wins a ring, but that comment was in poor taste

No different then what Ariza did to OKC and Iguodala did to Memphis. Guessing Goran thought he was getting bought out right away.
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Post#1405 » by vincent » Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:32 am

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Bishop45 wrote:Hope Goran ends up on a team that wins a ring, but that comment was in poor taste

No different then what Ariza did to OKC and Iguodala did to Memphis. Guessing Goran thought he was getting bought out right away.


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Post#1406 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:15 pm

Gabe Vincent is still our backup PG.
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Post#1407 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:20 pm

Just start Gabe and bring Lowry off the bench --> BOOM backup PG problem solved
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Post#1408 » by carnageta » Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:04 pm

Just sign Winslow and have him come off the bench —> BOOM backup pg,sg,sf,pf,c problems solved
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Post#1409 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:14 pm

carnageta wrote:Just sign Winslow and have him come off the bench —> BOOM backup pg,sg,sf,pf,c problems solved

He signed with the Clippers.
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Post#1410 » by wadenation305 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:30 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Gabe Vincent is still our backup PG.



Not the one we wanted, but nonetheless the one we got.... Someone please shoot me.
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Post#1411 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:33 pm

Dennis Schroder is still out there, I'd give him BAE and promise him a defined role as the primary backup PG.

Don't love his game but he can create and at this price point it's kinda laughable.
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Post#1412 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:35 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Dennis Schroder is still out there, I'd give him BAE and promise him a defined role as the primary backup PG.

Don't love his game but he can create and at this price point it's kinda laughable.


And yes he can get more money elsewhere, but at his situation I think he needs minutes more then anything.

We have ALL the backup minutes behind an old starting PG, and some minutes at SG.

Go get him Riley.
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Post#1413 » by HEATVols865 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:55 pm

For a low price, skunk hair is the way to go.


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Post#1414 » by BBallFreak » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:08 pm

Skunk Hair won't settle for a low price. Otherwise he'd be a Celtic right now. He wants MLE money. $9.5 million.

We need to look elsewhere and we may have to wait until the right guy gets left out in the cold.
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Post#1415 » by Seabass777 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:39 pm

Gotta go after Dante Exum as the backup point guard
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Post#1416 » by Vertical Limit » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:55 pm

Its painful to see Schroeder get that offer from Boston.. terrible business decision not signing that big money last year..
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Post#1417 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:59 pm

So if the Celts sign Schroder, does that make Kris Dunn expendable? I've always liked him as a backup PG but his $5.0 salary this season might make it difficult to acquire him, dude would literally be the 6th highest paid player on our roster lol (excluding Ryno's dead cap hit fml)
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Post#1418 » by BFRESH44 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:13 pm

This team is pretty much done. Staying under the tax is definitely on the agenda. Doubt they want to start the repeater tax clock right now.

It’s about identifying the two way contracts from the summer league mix now.
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Post#1419 » by Seabass777 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:17 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:This team is pretty much done. Staying under the tax is definitely on the agenda. Doubt they want to start the repeater tax clock right now.

It’s about identifying the two way contract from the summer league mix now.


I think Dante Exum could be had for the vet minimum, we desperately need a backup 1, that needs to be addressed, once we address a backup guard, then I think they'll lock up the two way guys hopefully
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Post#1420 » by BBallFreak » Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:20 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:This team is pretty much done. Staying under the tax is definitely on the agenda. Doubt they want to start the repeater tax clock right now.

It’s about identifying the two way contract from the summer league mix now.
I agree. I think we bring in Garrett and maybe that point guard, Jarreau, on two way deals, and develop them along with Yurt, Strus, and Vincent.

I'm never worried about this team's future when we have this great developmental program...

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