MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.4 - Beasley Time

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[MettaWorldPanda]

This team is pretty much done. Staying under the tax is definitely on the agenda. Doubt they want to start the repeater tax clock right now.

It’s about identifying the two way contract from the summer league mix now.

We still have money to sign another veteran and need to get this roster to 14 per league rules. UD needs to be given an executive role much like this. If UD refuses to do something like this and insist on taking the 14th roster spot knowing this team has considerable needs at the backup wing and PG spot then he puts himself in a position for a hero to live long enough to become a villain I hate to say.

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[BFRESH44]

This team is pretty much done. Staying under the tax is definitely on the agenda. Doubt they want to start the repeater tax clock right now.

It’s about identifying the two way contract from the summer league mix now.

I think Dante Exum could be had for the vet minimum, we desperately need a backup 1, that needs to be addressed, once we address a backup guard, then I think they'll lock up the two way guys hopefully

Exum can’t stay on the court to save his life. Doubt he’ll ever be on the radar.

[Flash4thewin]

Skunk Hair won't settle for a low price. Otherwise he'd be a Celtic right now. He wants MLE money. $9.5 million.

We need to look elsewhere and we may have to wait until the right guy gets left out in the cold.

If Lowry gets hurt we could do the injury exemption to get him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

This team is pretty much done. Staying under the tax is definitely on the agenda. Doubt they want to start the repeater tax clock right now.

It’s about identifying the two way contract from the summer league mix now.

I agree. I think we bring in Garrett and maybe that point guard, Jarreau, on two way deals, and develop them along with Yurt, Strus, and Vincent.

I'm never worried about this team's future when we have this great developmental program...

PG is probably the toughest position to rely on just anyone. Especially a two way development prospect. I think it's paramount this team goes out and gets a veteran to backup Lowry. Especially for an older guard that will need maintenance throughout the year.

[MettaWorldPanda]

This team is pretty much done. Staying under the tax is definitely on the agenda. Doubt they want to start the repeater tax clock right now.

It’s about identifying the two way contract from the summer league mix now.

I think Dante Exum could be had for the vet minimum, we desperately need a backup 1, that needs to be addressed, once we address a backup guard, then I think they'll lock up the two way guys hopefully

Exum can’t stay on the court to save his life. Doubt he’ll ever be on the radar.

He kind of reminds me of Shaun Livingston. We gave up on him and he ended up being a key contributor on those Warriors teams. Exum looked impressive in the Olympics. Unlike KZ Okpala whom some in here come up with every excuse in the book on why he keeps on deserving so many chances to prove he's not good.

[MettaWorldPanda]

So if the Celts sign Schroder, does that make Kris Dunn expendable? I've always liked him as a backup PG but his $5.0 salary this season might make it difficult to acquire him, dude would literally be the 6th highest paid player on our roster lol (excluding Ryno's dead cap hit fml)

OKC should just sign him to the full MLE or work out a trade with the Lakers to fit him in into Ariza's 12 million dollar trade exception. They could easily flip him at the deadline for more assets. They currently have a massive void at the starting PG spot and Schroder did well for them during his previous stint.

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[carnageta]

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Could see him average 16 and 8 per game.

Yimmy at 22/6/6
Bam at 21/9/4
Herro at 18/3/3
Duncan at 15ppg

[Jonas DeRoss]

kyle lowry

[gom]

Still unimpressed except for the progress of our prospects on the Summer League. Not hopping on the Okpala train one way or another.

[SA37]

Gabe Vincent is still our backup PG.

I think the Heat intend on continuing the Herro-as-the-primary-ball-handler experiment for another season. Also, Oladipo will presumably work his way back into the lineup and he is also someone who can handle the basketball.

It's not optimal, but neither is giving Vincent 20 minutes a night, although can he do any less than Iguodala did last year?

[gom]

I want to point out I have no issue with Vincent as the backup PG, but I don't have very high aspirations for the team this season. I'd like to be wrong. That's where I'm at though.

By the same token, I'd give Haslem a roster space.

[kundanp333]

I am not sure why we are so infatuated with having another ball handler or a back up PG. There are plenty of guys on the squad that can bring the ball up and start the offense (Lowry, Jimmy, Bam, Herro, and eventually Dipo), especially if we are a half court team. I tend to look at positions from a defensive perspective where the player's position is defined by who they guard on the opposing team (Lebron could play point on offense, but defensive duties were handled by Mario, therefore making Mario a PG and Lebron SF/PF). My point is that we could technically not have a offensively defined point guard on the floor for as long as we can rely on Jimmy or Bam to bring the ball up and have someone else capable enough to guard the opposing team's ball handler/PG.

With that said, I agree that having Gabe on the floor for more than 20 minutes is not preferred but not because of his lack of ball handling capabilities, but more so because of his defense.

[Shewasfly]

How soon is Oladipo going to be able to play (target date anyway, we all know things could change with his health any day smh)?

I see him doing a lot of ball handling. And I think Herro is going to take most of the backup "pg" minutes. Maybe they'll have Lowry try to whip him into something.

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[oreon]

It would be roster malpractice if they don't get a backup pg. You need someone else who can run a play or inititate the offense when Lowry sitting or if he gets hurts. I think majority on here are not convinced Gabe Vincent is a rotational player. We saw Herro who struggle with the position and somehow expect to be ok without getting a legit backup for a 36 year old pg. And I don't think staggering Butler so he can be the backup pg when Lowry sits is the solution. The goal this regular season is to get a top 4 seed without having Butler or Lowry over exert themselves.
I don't know who is available but use the Bi Annual exception or a min to get someone. Or find someone from g league or summer league who can do it. I just don't trust Gabe Vincent to play 18 to 20 mins every night at that role.

[Wiltside]

I think the fanbase on the whole has downplayed the significance of the Lowry addition. I get that he's not a whale these days, but he's a 6x All-Star that's still putting up quality numbers. He's an NBA Champ and solid playoff performer whose numbers last season were almost identical to his numbers when he was 28 years old and entering his prime.

2014-15: 17.8ppg, 4.7rpg, 6.8apg, 1.6spg, 0.2bpg, 2.5tpg, 41.2%fg (6.1/14.9), 33.8% 3fg (1.9/5.6) and 80.8%ft (3.6/4.5) in 34.5mpg
2020-21: 17.2ppg, 5.4rpg, 7.3apg, 1.0spg, 0.3bpg, 2.7tpg, 43.6%fg (5.7/13.0), 39.6% 3fg (2.8/7.2) and 87.5%ft (3.0/3.5) in 34.8mpg

His game should continue to age well. Clearly his 3pt shot has become an ever increasing part of his arsenal over the years, as it now makes up over half of his attempts from the floor, but he's also hitting it at near on 40% on high volume. Hopefully with a better team around him this year, his efficiency will continue to trend upwards. His eFG% of 54.6% last season was his best since 2017-18.

You can certainly do a lot worse than having Kyle and Jimmy as the two veteran leaders on your team. We then have our 'young vets' in Bam and Duncan as our next two key pillars who are likely the bridge between the 'older vets' and the 'younger guys'.

I'm certainly intrigued by what lineup Spo is going to put out to start, as well as our rotation. Will he go small with Tucker at the 4 and Bam at the 5 again? Will he start Morris at the 4 instead as a nominal starter? Does he go big and young by starting Yurt?

All are possibilities. I think we saw with Duncan's ascension that Spo isn't scared of starting a player, no matter how inexperienced or unproven, if he believes they long term will benefit from the reps. Hoping Yurt is the next guy up on the front, as his size, rebounding ability and floor stretching capability makes him a very good fit with that starting lineup. Defensively he can also learn alongside Lowry/Jimmy/Bam too, and if he's getting torched, he sits in favour of Tucker or Morris or Dedmon.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Am i the only one who watched Herro try to be a ball handler last year and fail miserably on most occasions? Second guessing wether to score or pass? Feel like it really screwed with him mentally. Oh yeah great idea lets run the same thing again. This organization really thinks we don’t need another PG but made Lowry a priority? If he goes down we are back to square one. As Oreon said above. Roster malpractice not having another true PG on the roster. I also don’t want Bam running point either. Nothing like having your undersized big running point while Gabe Vincent tries for his life to grab an offensive board. Haven’t we not learned our lesson?

[Wiltside]

Am i the only one who watched Herro try to be a ball handler last year and fail miserably on most occasions? Second guessing wether to score or pass? Feel like it really screwed with him mentally. Oh yeah great idea lets run the same thing again. This organization really thinks we don’t need another PG but made Lowry a priority? If he goes down we are back to square one. As Oreon said above. Roster malpractice not having another true PG on the roster.

We definitely need another ball handler. Imagine if Lowry and Jimmy both go out, which is possible given their injury histories, and Dipo is still recovering?

Herro can be a reasonable secondary creator, but a PG he ain't. Honestly, it doesn't do him any favours forcing him into a role he's clearly not comfortable with. Let him come in and focus on his middy, the three ball and some facilitation - not worrying about initiating offense and getting guys in their spots.

Need someone not named Gabe to be our backup 1. I really don't understand why the FO and Coaching staff seem to love this guy.