2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[matt131]

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[Revived]

Not against trading Smith, but not particularly high on moving him for Thad Young. He's solid, not really a needle mover though. Feels really short sighted moving Dario and Smith for a 33 year old back-up power forward on an expiring contract. Nance makes a bit more sense.

I like Nance Jr’s skillset but he’s a very injury prone player.

I’d rather just keep Smith and tell him to add weight and then give him mins next season alongside CP3 and then evaluate him.

[BobbieL]

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Adding a pick for Nance - that seems excessive. Must have some smoke now - with Jake F, Sidery and now of course Flex ... all over it

[RunDogGun]

So why did Nance only play 35 games last year?

[cberry78]

That is an interesting idea.

I would pretty much hate that trade.. Bagley just has not shown much. Especially the extra first

I can deal with Nance for Smith & SAric

But wouldn't they just be a back up four? I could handle taking a flyer and team change for a young guy like Bagley. I like Nance, but he is about the same size as Crowder. (6'7") I agree about not giving up draft picks though.

Here are their stats from last year:
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=nancela02&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=baglema01&p2yrfrom=2021

Dammit! I actually agree with you on this RDG!

I've been pining for Bagley on this team since we entered last season. He and DA would be an awesome 1-2 punch, and Bagley has enough range to play a stretch 4 role consistently....plus he's another 7 footer....and another hometown boy, would fit the Valley Boys mold.

[King4Day]

If any of this is true, it basically means 2 things:

1. Saves money next year
2. We have Paul and a very small window. We can no longer wait for Stix to develop. Get Young and cross fingers I guess.

If we don't win it all in the next 2 years, none of what we have now will probably matter anyway.

[BobbieL]

Somebody on twitter suggested using Jalen Smith to OKC to get that FRP back so to speak - so I went to the trade machine

SAS: Saric , Brown from the Thunder and the Suns 2022 FRP
OKC: Gets Smith from the Suns
Suns; get Young

[bhawk]

Not against trading Smith, but not particularly high on moving him for Thad Young. He's solid, not really a needle mover though. Feels really short sighted moving Dario and Smith for a 33 year old back-up power forward on an expiring contract. Nance makes a bit more sense.

I like Nance Jr’s skillset but he’s a very injury prone player.

I’d rather just keep Smith and tell him to add weight and then give him mins next season alongside CP3 and then evaluate him.

We should just call it now. Jalen Smith is a bust. Add him to the list that incudes Chriss, Bender and Jackson. I think it sucks that we missed in last years draft. There were much better players at 10, and I think if JJ had to do it over again he doesn't take Smith.

If there was something salvagable or redeeming about Jalen, I believe JJ would have found it by now. He has had some moments, but so did the others. The guy may put it together in 2-3 years, but his cieling is a current day M. Chriss from this casual Suns fan.

Our core is set. Book, Paul, Bridges, Ayton, Crowder, C Johnson, Payne was enough to make the finals. Let's run it back with some complimentary pieces. Jalen Smith is not a player who will get minutes next year. Let's move on. Sorry.

[BobbieL]

If any of this is true, it basically means 2 things:

1. Saves money next year
2. We have Paul and a very small window. We can no longer wait for Stix to develop. Get Young and cross fingers I guess.

If we don't win it all in the next 2 years, none of what we have now will probably matter anyway.

Yes on the money as even if you bring back Young at 6m - that is still $8m less than what Smith + Saric would make

But if you have a core of Book, Bridges, Ayton and Cam J - thats solid

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Saric and Jalen Smith with a future first for....Marvin Bagely III

That is an interesting idea.

I would pretty much hate that trade.. Bagley just has not shown much. Especially the extra first

I can deal with Nance for Smith & SAric

Not a fan of either deal - both very injury prone. With Bagley you get the attitude and inevitable contract demands to boot.

Looks like we're going all in with this group - Championship or bust, now or never. Bucks did the same thing, but they got Jrue Holiday for their troubles. We out here talking about Larry Nance Jr. If we're really going for it, I would sure hope we can do better than that.

Without young talent and draft picks, keeping this roster competitive is going to get too expensive for Sarver. I'll enjoy the next few years, because once CP3's done and all the kids have been paid, that's it.

I guess I'm cool with the approach. Booker and Paul become free agents in 2024. If we're not set to compete in 2024-25, I think Book will bolt to a premier market - and that's ok. He doesn't owe us anything. I just hope our next rebuild goes much better. And it sure would be nice if we had a ring to show for it.

[bwgood77]

I kind of wish we were playing basketball instead of chess OR checkers, but oh well. Lol

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Flex likes to use that because he's a big chess expert. Always very sly and subtle with his stragies.

[bwgood77]

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Piggy backing off each other..each adding a little bit as they work off each other. Throwing darts.

[bwgood77]

I would pretty much hate that trade.. Bagley just has not shown much. Especially the extra first

I can deal with Nance for Smith & SAric

But wouldn't they just be a back up four? I could handle taking a flyer and team change for a young guy like Bagley. I like Nance, but he is about the same size as Crowder. (6'7") I agree about not giving up draft picks though.

Here are their stats from last year:
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=nancela02&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=baglema01&p2yrfrom=2021

Dammit! I actually agree with you on this RDG!

I've been pining for Bagley on this team since we entered last season. He and DA would be an awesome 1-2 punch, and Bagley has enough range to play a stretch 4 role consistently....plus he's another 7 footer....and another hometown boy, would fit the Valley Boys mold.

Bagley is about the worst defender out there. Look down in the advanced section of drtg on the 100 possessions, DPBM, etc. He was so bad in college and so lost they had to change their entire defensive scheme to zone so he didn't have to move much.

Plus, given him and his dad's commands they likely will demand a max contract or at least a big one. Not the type of guy we need.

MUCH worse defensively than Crowder, Nance, Young, Cam. More on par (or actually worse than) Kaminsky in that area. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kaminfr01.html

[RunDogGun]

I would pretty much hate that trade.. Bagley just has not shown much. Especially the extra first

I can deal with Nance for Smith & SAric

But wouldn't they just be a back up four? I could handle taking a flyer and team change for a young guy like Bagley. I like Nance, but he is about the same size as Crowder. (6'7") I agree about not giving up draft picks though.

Here are their stats from last year:
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=nancela02&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=baglema01&p2yrfrom=2021

Dammit! I actually agree with you on this RDG!

I've been pining for Bagley on this team since we entered last season. He and DA would be an awesome 1-2 punch, and Bagley has enough range to play a stretch 4 role consistently....plus he's another 7 footer....and another hometown boy, would fit the Valley Boys mold.

It was bound to happen. It would be awesome if a change of scenery is all Bagley needs, but most likely that isn't the case. Either way 14/7 isn't horrible for an injured Saric and a guy who will probably only get spot minutes in Stix. I wouldn't mind Nance either, but I am a bit more intrigued by Bagley and his youth. Maybe he could find his spot defensively being around our players, who have really improved defensively.

[Revived]

Not against trading Smith, but not particularly high on moving him for Thad Young. He's solid, not really a needle mover though. Feels really short sighted moving Dario and Smith for a 33 year old back-up power forward on an expiring contract. Nance makes a bit more sense.

I like Nance Jr’s skillset but he’s a very injury prone player.

I’d rather just keep Smith and tell him to add weight and then give him mins next season alongside CP3 and then evaluate him.

We should just call it now. Jalen Smith is a bust. Add him to the list that incudes Chriss, Bender and Jackson. I think it sucks that we missed in last years draft. There were much better players at 10, and I think if JJ had to do it over again he doesn't take Smith.

If there was something salvagable or redeeming about Jalen, I believe JJ would have found it by now. He has had some moments, but so did the others. The guy may put it together in 2-3 years, but his cieling is a current day M. Chriss from this casual Suns fan.

Our core is set. Book, Paul, Bridges, Ayton, Crowder, C Johnson, Payne was enough to make the finals. Let's run it back with some complimentary pieces. Jalen Smith is not a player who will get minutes next year. Let's move on. Sorry.

You may be right but it’s too early to say. He’s barely played to show he’s a bust. Bender and Chriss actually played in their first two years and looked garbage and knew they were busts.

Smith is supposed to be the Saric replacement. McGee is not a guy that will play every night because we may not need him to. Only against teams with size. For the other teams and other games, we need a small ball PF like we used Saric last year at C. This year, that will be Smith’s role so we can see firsthand what he has to provide.

For me, if a player doesn’t show anything good by the end of his first 2 yrs then you can start thinking about them as busts. Even then there are some players who turn out nice even after not showing anything for 2-3 yrs or more but those are usually a bit more rare.

[RunDogGun]

Well if it can be done, Saric and Stix trade, could we do a sign and trade for Markkanen?

[bwgood77]

I like Nance Jr’s skillset but he’s a very injury prone player.

I’d rather just keep Smith and tell him to add weight and then give him mins next season alongside CP3 and then evaluate him.

We should just call it now. Jalen Smith is a bust. Add him to the list that incudes Chriss, Bender and Jackson. I think it sucks that we missed in last years draft. There were much better players at 10, and I think if JJ had to do it over again he doesn't take Smith.

If there was something salvagable or redeeming about Jalen, I believe JJ would have found it by now. He has had some moments, but so did the others. The guy may put it together in 2-3 years, but his cieling is a current day M. Chriss from this casual Suns fan.

Our core is set. Book, Paul, Bridges, Ayton, Crowder, C Johnson, Payne was enough to make the finals. Let's run it back with some complimentary pieces. Jalen Smith is not a player who will get minutes next year. Let's move on. Sorry.

You may be right but it’s too early to say. He’s barely played to show he’s a bust. Bender and Chriss actually played in their first two years and looked garbage and knew they were busts.

Smith is supposed to be the Saric replacement. McGee is not a guy that will play every night because we may not need him to. Only against teams with size. For the other teams and other games, we need a small ball PF like we used Saric last year at C. This year, that will be Smith’s role so we can see firsthand what he has to provide.

For me, if a player doesn’t show anything good by the end of his first 2 yrs then you can start thinking about them as busts. Even then there are some players who turn out nice even after not showing anything for 2-3 yrs or more but those are usually a bit more rare.

Smith is high character, a hard worker, has the perfect skill set for a stretch 4 (or did coming out of college) and Maryland fans are extremely high on him. As I've said he needs time. In many ways it's like his rookie season with first summer league, training camp, etc. Not only was last season a shortened one, he was out with COVID for what seemed like forever and same with the injury.

So he really got set back. Now he is playing with a bunch of scrubs who look like awful players.

He is second in RPG for all players in all 3 summer leagues, which is a very good thing given his thin frame, almost half of them offensive rebounds.

When a guy isn't shooting well and remains that engaged with hustle and rebounding, that's a good sign. Shooting will come and go.

He also seems to take it hard to the rim and dunk if he has the space, and doesn't settle for those layups like most of our bigs do.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Well if it can be done, Saric and Stix trade, could we do a sign and trade for Markkanen?

At least there's upside there.

Really just looking to add enough talent to this core to maintain competitiveness into the future.

[BobbieL]

We should just call it now. Jalen Smith is a bust. Add him to the list that incudes Chriss, Bender and Jackson. I think it sucks that we missed in last years draft. There were much better players at 10, and I think if JJ had to do it over again he doesn't take Smith.

If there was something salvagable or redeeming about Jalen, I believe JJ would have found it by now. He has had some moments, but so did the others. The guy may put it together in 2-3 years, but his cieling is a current day M. Chriss from this casual Suns fan.

Our core is set. Book, Paul, Bridges, Ayton, Crowder, C Johnson, Payne was enough to make the finals. Let's run it back with some complimentary pieces. Jalen Smith is not a player who will get minutes next year. Let's move on. Sorry.

You may be right but it’s too early to say. He’s barely played to show he’s a bust. Bender and Chriss actually played in their first two years and looked garbage and knew they were busts.

Smith is supposed to be the Saric replacement. McGee is not a guy that will play every night because we may not need him to. Only against teams with size. For the other teams and other games, we need a small ball PF like we used Saric last year at C. This year, that will be Smith’s role so we can see firsthand what he has to provide.

For me, if a player doesn’t show anything good by the end of his first 2 yrs then you can start thinking about them as busts. Even then there are some players who turn out nice even after not showing anything for 2-3 yrs or more but those are usually a bit more rare.

Smith is high character, a hard worker, has the perfect skill set for a stretch 4 (or did coming out of college) and Maryland fans are extremely high on him. As I've said he needs time. In many ways it's like his rookie season with first summer league, training camp, etc. Not only was last season a shortened one, he was out with COVID for what seemed like forever and same with the injury.

So he really got set back. Now he is playing with a bunch of scrubs who look like awful players.

He is second in RPG for all players in all 3 summer leagues, which is a very good thing given his thin frame, almost half of them offensive rebounds.

When a guy isn't shooting well and remains that engaged with hustle and rebounding, that's a good sign. Shooting will come and go.

He also seems to take it hard to the rim and dunk if he has the space, and doesn't settle for those layups like most of our bigs do.

I would prefer to keep Smith. Saric + Smith seems a lot for a guy they are probably going to buy out at some point

If you can work out a deal with Saric and 2nds for Young - I am good with that. If not, and Millsap is good with the MLE - thats a good solution for this year

[Mulhollanddrive]

Is that all better than just keeping Craig?

We must have something in mind given we didn't want to spend $5m.