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[FNQ]

We need another ball-handler on the roster. Anything Andre gives the team is a bonus, not something to rely on.

Team clearly disagrees.. didn't even pursue one at all in FA. I dont know if people misremember or misinterpret what Livingston was, but he never was a real PG here. He played defense and posted up guards. Backup unit has always had one or two people with ok handles, and we have that now with Poole, Wiggins, Moody, Iguodala.. we ran 5.5 iso plays per game last year, 4 of which belonged to Steph and Wiggins, who were both over 1 PPP (Steph 91st percentile, Wiggins 79th).

A lot of guys can actually handle on this team.. do you guys mean create for others off the dribble? Because aside from our stars we again never had that.

The 1st unit wins with perimeter shooting/passing, the 2nd unit wins on mismatches. Didn't win last year because our 2nd unit had 1-3 competent people on it (Poole, JTA, Wiggins) along with 2 headcases (Oubre, Bazemore), a couple guys entirely outmatched (Paschall, Wiseman) and a couple hot/cold scrubs (Nico, Lee, Mulder). Our bench unit now is Poole, Moody, Kuminga, Iguodala, JTA, OPJ, Bjelica, and Wiseman.

If there's any room to grouse, its about rebounding. Playmaking isnt the issue, as we lead the league in assists and were above average in A/TO. Being 27th in team rebound rate seems like a far bigger issue

[parsnips33]

What are the chances Dragic gets bought out? He would be an awesome backup PG for us

[xdrta+]

What are the chances Dragic gets bought out? He would be an awesome backup PG for us

I don't know, but this was from a couple of days ago.

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[B-King]

We need another ball-handler on the roster. Anything Andre gives the team is a bonus, not something to rely on.

Team clearly disagrees.. didn't even pursue one at all in FA. I dont know if people misremember or misinterpret what Livingston was, but he never was a real PG here. He played defense and posted up guards. Backup unit has always had one or two people with ok handles, and we have that now with Poole, Wiggins, Moody, Iguodala.. we ran 5.5 iso plays per game last year, 4 of which belonged to Steph and Wiggins, who were both over 1 PPP (Steph 91st percentile, Wiggins 79th).

A lot of guys can actually handle on this team.. do you guys mean create for others off the dribble? Because aside from our stars we again never had that.

The 1st unit wins with perimeter shooting/passing, the 2nd unit wins on mismatches. Didn't win last year because our 2nd unit had 1-3 competent people on it (Poole, JTA, Wiggins) along with 2 headcases (Oubre, Bazemore), a couple guys entirely outmatched (Paschall, Wiseman) and a couple hot/cold scrubs (Nico, Lee, Mulder). Our bench unit now is Poole, Moody, Kuminga, Iguodala, JTA, OPJ, Bjelica, and Wiseman.

If there's any room to grouse, its about rebounding. Playmaking isnt the issue, as we lead the league in assists and were above average in A/TO. Being 27th in team rebound rate seems like a far bigger issue

That team Livingston was a part of was filled with veterans and had a tremendous amount of basketball IQ. Our second unit will have 3 young players and I would be more comfortable with a veteran PG running the unit. I am even looking at Jeff Teague with interest.

[and1GS]

1 year TPMLE for Schroeder is crazy. He's still a good player, but I guess the attitude really torpedoed his value.

[FNQ]

We need another ball-handler on the roster. Anything Andre gives the team is a bonus, not something to rely on.

Team clearly disagrees.. didn't even pursue one at all in FA. I dont know if people misremember or misinterpret what Livingston was, but he never was a real PG here. He played defense and posted up guards. Backup unit has always had one or two people with ok handles, and we have that now with Poole, Wiggins, Moody, Iguodala.. we ran 5.5 iso plays per game last year, 4 of which belonged to Steph and Wiggins, who were both over 1 PPP (Steph 91st percentile, Wiggins 79th).

A lot of guys can actually handle on this team.. do you guys mean create for others off the dribble? Because aside from our stars we again never had that.

The 1st unit wins with perimeter shooting/passing, the 2nd unit wins on mismatches. Didn't win last year because our 2nd unit had 1-3 competent people on it (Poole, JTA, Wiggins) along with 2 headcases (Oubre, Bazemore), a couple guys entirely outmatched (Paschall, Wiseman) and a couple hot/cold scrubs (Nico, Lee, Mulder). Our bench unit now is Poole, Moody, Kuminga, Iguodala, JTA, OPJ, Bjelica, and Wiseman.

If there's any room to grouse, its about rebounding. Playmaking isnt the issue, as we lead the league in assists and were above average in A/TO. Being 27th in team rebound rate seems like a far bigger issue

That team Livingston was a part of was filled with veterans and had a tremendous amount of basketball IQ. Our second unit will have 3 young players and I would be more comfortable with a veteran PG running the unit. I am even looking at Jeff Teague with interest.

You sure about that? From another post:

PG: Livingston
SG: Barbosa, Rush, Ian Clark, Justin Holiday, McCaw, Quinn Cook, Swaggy P, Damion Lee
SF: Iguodala
PF: McAdoo, Matt Barnes, David West, Casspi, Jerebko, McKinnie
C: Ezeli, Speights, Varejao, McGee, Looney, JON, Damian Jones, Jordan Bell

This is what made up the backup squad since our title run.. aside from Livingston and Iguodala manning their 2 spots, the rest has been held by limited BBIQ players. Some vets, some youth. But we arguably have more BBIQ now than we ever have in our 2nd unit during our run

[Mob Byers]

Team clearly disagrees.. didn't even pursue one at all in FA. I dont know if people misremember or misinterpret what Livingston was, but he never was a real PG here. He played defense and posted up guards. Backup unit has always had one or two people with ok handles, and we have that now with Poole, Wiggins, Moody, Iguodala.. we ran 5.5 iso plays per game last year, 4 of which belonged to Steph and Wiggins, who were both over 1 PPP (Steph 91st percentile, Wiggins 79th).

A lot of guys can actually handle on this team.. do you guys mean create for others off the dribble? Because aside from our stars we again never had that.

The 1st unit wins with perimeter shooting/passing, the 2nd unit wins on mismatches. Didn't win last year because our 2nd unit had 1-3 competent people on it (Poole, JTA, Wiggins) along with 2 headcases (Oubre, Bazemore), a couple guys entirely outmatched (Paschall, Wiseman) and a couple hot/cold scrubs (Nico, Lee, Mulder). Our bench unit now is Poole, Moody, Kuminga, Iguodala, JTA, OPJ, Bjelica, and Wiseman.

If there's any room to grouse, its about rebounding. Playmaking isnt the issue, as we lead the league in assists and were above average in A/TO. Being 27th in team rebound rate seems like a far bigger issue

That team Livingston was a part of was filled with veterans and had a tremendous amount of basketball IQ. Our second unit will have 3 young players and I would be more comfortable with a veteran PG running the unit. I am even looking at Jeff Teague with interest.

You sure about that? From another post:

PG: Livingston
SG: Barbosa, Rush, Ian Clark, Justin Holiday, McCaw, Quinn Cook, Swaggy P, Damion Lee
SF: Iguodala
PF: McAdoo, Matt Barnes, David West, Casspi, Jerebko, McKinnie
C: Ezeli, Speights, Varejao, McGee, Looney, JON, Damian Jones, Jordan Bell

This is what made up the backup squad since our title run.. aside from Livingston and Iguodala manning their 2 spots, the rest has been held by limited BBIQ players. Some vets, some youth. But we arguably have more BBIQ now than we ever have in our 2nd unit during our run

That is crazy to look at, wow.

[SF_Warriors]

Team clearly disagrees.. didn't even pursue one at all in FA. I dont know if people misremember or misinterpret what Livingston was, but he never was a real PG here. He played defense and posted up guards. Backup unit has always had one or two people with ok handles, and we have that now with Poole, Wiggins, Moody, Iguodala.. we ran 5.5 iso plays per game last year, 4 of which belonged to Steph and Wiggins, who were both over 1 PPP (Steph 91st percentile, Wiggins 79th).

A lot of guys can actually handle on this team.. do you guys mean create for others off the dribble? Because aside from our stars we again never had that.

The 1st unit wins with perimeter shooting/passing, the 2nd unit wins on mismatches. Didn't win last year because our 2nd unit had 1-3 competent people on it (Poole, JTA, Wiggins) along with 2 headcases (Oubre, Bazemore), a couple guys entirely outmatched (Paschall, Wiseman) and a couple hot/cold scrubs (Nico, Lee, Mulder). Our bench unit now is Poole, Moody, Kuminga, Iguodala, JTA, OPJ, Bjelica, and Wiseman.

If there's any room to grouse, its about rebounding. Playmaking isnt the issue, as we lead the league in assists and were above average in A/TO. Being 27th in team rebound rate seems like a far bigger issue

That team Livingston was a part of was filled with veterans and had a tremendous amount of basketball IQ. Our second unit will have 3 young players and I would be more comfortable with a veteran PG running the unit. I am even looking at Jeff Teague with interest.

You sure about that? From another post:

PG: Livingston
SG: Barbosa, Rush, Ian Clark, Justin Holiday, McCaw, Quinn Cook, Swaggy P, Damion Lee
SF: Iguodala
PF: McAdoo, Matt Barnes, David West, Casspi, Jerebko, McKinnie
C: Ezeli, Speights, Varejao, McGee, Looney, JON, Damian Jones, Jordan Bell

This is what made up the backup squad since our title run.. aside from Livingston and Iguodala manning their 2 spots, the rest has been held by limited BBIQ players. Some vets, some youth. But we arguably have more BBIQ now than we ever have in our 2nd unit during our run

Who off the bench for us currently has the BBIQ equivalent of Livingston, iguodala, and D West? And don't say iguodala..

[S-Gorilla86]

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I wonder if the Warriors even offered the TPMLE, although BOS will probably give him a better opportunity to revive his market after it completely crashed.

[FNQ]

That team Livingston was a part of was filled with veterans and had a tremendous amount of basketball IQ. Our second unit will have 3 young players and I would be more comfortable with a veteran PG running the unit. I am even looking at Jeff Teague with interest.

You sure about that? From another post:

PG: Livingston
SG: Barbosa, Rush, Ian Clark, Justin Holiday, McCaw, Quinn Cook, Swaggy P, Damion Lee
SF: Iguodala
PF: McAdoo, Matt Barnes, David West, Casspi, Jerebko, McKinnie
C: Ezeli, Speights, Varejao, McGee, Looney, JON, Damian Jones, Jordan Bell

This is what made up the backup squad since our title run.. aside from Livingston and Iguodala manning their 2 spots, the rest has been held by limited BBIQ players. Some vets, some youth. But we arguably have more BBIQ now than we ever have in our 2nd unit during our run

Who off the bench for us currently has the BBIQ equivalent of Livingston, iguodala, and D West? And don't say iguodala..

Don't say the guy that's.. literally the same guy but older? Do people get dumber as they get older in life?

Moody has exceptional BBIQ.. Kuminga is a lot further along than people believe. Poole is solid, although thats because he's good offensively and horrible offensively. JTA also in the same range. Bjelica is pretty sharp himself, although he's limited by his athleticism (not unlike 38 year old West)

The only question marks IQ-wise coming off the bench and possibly in the rotation are Wiseman, Lee, and OPJ. Defensively you can add Poole to that, and if we're looking at only the present, fair to add Kuminga as well.

West was literally here 2 of the 6 seasons. Most of the time our bench unit was Livingston (whos BBIQ is solid btw, I'm not sure when all of a sudden he was anywhere near Iguodala) and Iguodala, who's an actually BBIQ savant. And West was about the same as Livingston. So point being, we've never had this extremely smart bench. We've had limited players that fit together and shared the ball enough to do well, because they were *unselfish*. Who among Poole, Moody, Kuminga, JTA, Lee, Wiseman, OPJ, and Bjelica would you deem as selfish?

[FNQ]

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I wonder if the Warriors even offered the TPMLE, although BOS will probably give him a better opportunity to revive his market after it completely crashed.

We were never offering the TPMLE to anyone.. Myers or Lacob, cant remember who, alluded to it early on and people just whizzed on by it

[TB]

Would have been ironic if the Warriors had to pay like 80m for Dennis after Dennis turned down 80m from the Lakers. Only in this scenario, 6 of it would go to Dennis and the rest to lux tax.

[SF_Warriors]

You sure about that? From another post:



This is what made up the backup squad since our title run.. aside from Livingston and Iguodala manning their 2 spots, the rest has been held by limited BBIQ players. Some vets, some youth. But we arguably have more BBIQ now than we ever have in our 2nd unit during our run

Who off the bench for us currently has the BBIQ equivalent of Livingston, iguodala, and D West? And don't say iguodala..

Don't say the guy that's.. literally the same guy but older? Do people get dumber as they get older in life?

Moody has exceptional BBIQ.. Kuminga is a lot further along than people believe. Poole is solid, although thats because he's good offensively and horrible offensively. JTA also in the same range. Bjelica is pretty sharp himself, although he's limited by his athleticism (not unlike 38 year old West)

The only question marks IQ-wise coming off the bench and possibly in the rotation are Wiseman, Lee, and OPJ. Defensively you can add Poole to that, and if we're looking at only the present, fair to add Kuminga as well.

West was literally here 2 of the 6 seasons. Most of the time our bench unit was Livingston (whos BBIQ is solid btw, I'm not sure when all of a sudden he was anywhere near Iguodala) and Iguodala, who's an actually BBIQ savant. And West was about the same as Livingston. So point being, we've never had this extremely smart bench. We've had limited players that fit together and shared the ball enough to do well, because they were *unselfish*. Who among Poole, Moody, Kuminga, JTA, Lee, Wiseman, OPJ, and Bjelica would you deem as selfish?

Okay let me get this straight..you think 18 and 19 year old moody and kuminga, or 22 year old poole have more BBIQ than livingston and barbosa in their early thirties? That's a laughable assertion.

37 year old iguodala is just as smart if not smarter than his younger self, but how many minutes is he going to play? Is that BBIQ going to translate to oncourt production versus a younger iguodala? No its not.

And you think Bjelica has more BBIQ than david west? Former all star david west who had been a career starter, has vastly more playing experience especially playoffs, played with CP3 and under greg popovich..You think Bjelica is a higher bbiq player??

So no, I do not think a bunch of young guys under 23 and a 37 year old iguodala has BIQ that exceeds what the warriors had in 2015-2018, at least not currently. Maybe in a few years when Moody has some experience under his belt we can consider this discussion, but not as a rookie, especially compared to a 30+ year old nba vets. Not even sure how this is even a discussion...

With that said, I'm excited for OPJ, Moody, Kuminga, Bjeli, Wiseman, poole off the bench. So much potential and very diverse skillsets. I think the shooting and athleticism will be much better than what we had during the championship era.

[FNQ]

Who off the bench for us currently has the BBIQ equivalent of Livingston, iguodala, and D West? And don't say iguodala..

Don't say the guy that's.. literally the same guy but older? Do people get dumber as they get older in life?

Moody has exceptional BBIQ.. Kuminga is a lot further along than people believe. Poole is solid, although thats because he's good offensively and horrible offensively. JTA also in the same range. Bjelica is pretty sharp himself, although he's limited by his athleticism (not unlike 38 year old West)

The only question marks IQ-wise coming off the bench and possibly in the rotation are Wiseman, Lee, and OPJ. Defensively you can add Poole to that, and if we're looking at only the present, fair to add Kuminga as well.

West was literally here 2 of the 6 seasons. Most of the time our bench unit was Livingston (whos BBIQ is solid btw, I'm not sure when all of a sudden he was anywhere near Iguodala) and Iguodala, who's an actually BBIQ savant. And West was about the same as Livingston. So point being, we've never had this extremely smart bench. We've had limited players that fit together and shared the ball enough to do well, because they were *unselfish*. Who among Poole, Moody, Kuminga, JTA, Lee, Wiseman, OPJ, and Bjelica would you deem as selfish?

Okay let me get this straight..you think 18 and 19 year old moody and kuminga, or 22 year old poole have more BBIQ than livingston and barbosa in their early thirties?

37 year old iguodala is just as smart if not smarter than his younger self, but how many minutes is he going to play? Is that BBIQ going to translate to oncourt production? No its not.

And you thik Bjelica has more BBIQ than david west? Multiple time all star david west?

So no, I do not think a bunch of young guys under 23 and a 37 year old iguodala has BIQ that exceeds what the warriors had in 2015-2018, at least not currently. Maybe in a few years when Moody has some experience under his belt we can consider this discussion, but not as a rookie, especially compared to a 30 year old nba vet. Not even sure how this is even a discussion...

Well its a discussion because you cannot read, so maybe take a step back from it and try again

Moody is one of the best help defenders we've had on the wing, period, since the run started. He's better than Klay and Barnes, right now. Could be better than Wiggins, isnt better than Iguodala. His whole appeal is that he's extremely smart, and he's done nothing to deter that. Livingston was long. You understand? That's what he was. He wasnt a particularly good help defender, he was just a good man defender. So yes, Moody has a higher BBIQ than Livingston and CERTAINLY higher than Barbosa, who was known for having a low BBIQ. Not a good passer, defender, or smart shot-taker. Learning that Barbosa is now a smart player... now that's laughable

So weird that age factors in, in only one direction. Just say you want experienced, older players. Its fine, its an extremely lazy way to look at BBIQ, but sure, knock yourself out. Probably think OPJ has + BBIQ too.. he doesn't. BBIQ is understanding limitations and being able to work within basketball systems, knowing where to go, what to do.. so Iguodala absolutely does have that. Moody absolutely has that, better than any backup we've had not named Iguodala.

Never said anything about Bjelica and West's BBIQ compared to each other, both are nothing special in that regard. And of course, have to happily point out that West's older than Iguodala was and contributed 14 minutes per, so have to wonder why both sides of the fence are being played for the argument

[SF_Warriors]

Don't say the guy that's.. literally the same guy but older? Do people get dumber as they get older in life?

Moody has exceptional BBIQ.. Kuminga is a lot further along than people believe. Poole is solid, although thats because he's good offensively and horrible offensively. JTA also in the same range. Bjelica is pretty sharp himself, although he's limited by his athleticism (not unlike 38 year old West)

The only question marks IQ-wise coming off the bench and possibly in the rotation are Wiseman, Lee, and OPJ. Defensively you can add Poole to that, and if we're looking at only the present, fair to add Kuminga as well.

West was literally here 2 of the 6 seasons. Most of the time our bench unit was Livingston (whos BBIQ is solid btw, I'm not sure when all of a sudden he was anywhere near Iguodala) and Iguodala, who's an actually BBIQ savant. And West was about the same as Livingston. So point being, we've never had this extremely smart bench. We've had limited players that fit together and shared the ball enough to do well, because they were *unselfish*. Who among Poole, Moody, Kuminga, JTA, Lee, Wiseman, OPJ, and Bjelica would you deem as selfish?

Okay let me get this straight..you think 18 and 19 year old moody and kuminga, or 22 year old poole have more BBIQ than livingston and barbosa in their early thirties?

37 year old iguodala is just as smart if not smarter than his younger self, but how many minutes is he going to play? Is that BBIQ going to translate to oncourt production? No its not.

And you thik Bjelica has more BBIQ than david west? Multiple time all star david west?

So no, I do not think a bunch of young guys under 23 and a 37 year old iguodala has BIQ that exceeds what the warriors had in 2015-2018, at least not currently. Maybe in a few years when Moody has some experience under his belt we can consider this discussion, but not as a rookie, especially compared to a 30 year old nba vet. Not even sure how this is even a discussion...

Well its a discussion because you cannot read, so maybe take a step back from it and try again

Moody is one of the best help defenders we've had on the wing, period, since the run started. He's better than Klay and Barnes, right now. Could be better than Wiggins, isnt better than Iguodala. His whole appeal is that he's extremely smart, and he's done nothing to deter that. Livingston was long. You understand? That's what he was. He wasnt a particularly good help defender, he was just a good man defender. So yes, Moody has a higher BBIQ than Livingston and CERTAINLY higher than Barbosa, who was known for having a low BBIQ. Not a good passer, defender, or smart shot-taker.

So weird that age factors in, in only one direction. Just say you want experienced, older players. Its fine, its an extremely lazy way to look at BBIQ, but sure, knock yourself out. Probably think OPJ has + BBIQ too.. he doesn't. BBIQ is understanding limitations and being able to work within basketball systems, knowing where to go, what to do.. so Iguodala absolutely does have that. Moody absolutely has that, better than any backup we've had not named Iguodala.

Never said anything about Bjelica and West's BBIQ compared to each other, both are nothing special in that regard. And of course, have to happily point out that West's older than Iguodala was and contributed 14 minutes per, so have to wonder why both sides of the fence are being played for the argument

Your arguments are plain illogical and just shows you lack any common sense when discussing something like this.
Are you dnse? I am comparing current iguodala to his younger self, which is more than a fair comparison. And then I am comparing west to bjelica, which is also a fair comparison..understand?

Basically you are saying 19 year olds are smarter than 30 year old nba vets. Livingston is a VERY intelligent bball player. Shows how much you know about the game to say he doesnt have a high bball IQ.

Do I think 36 year old west has higher bball IQ than current Bjelica? Because I do. Can 36 year old west play the same minutes current bjelica probably will on this squad? Yes I think so.

And I'm not sure why you don't understand the concept that 32-34 year old iguodala is much better for a team than 37 year old iguodala. Will iguodala's experience and be pivotal in the development of our rooks? Hell yes. Will it translate to oncourt production this year versus a younger version of himself? No of course not!

[FNQ]

Your arguments are plain illogical and just shows you lack any common sense when discussing something like this.

My arguments are illogical, but Iguodala isnt smarter now than he was before, but it doesnt count because he was older, but Poole being a better player than Barbosa ever was doesnt count because the notoriously low BBIQ Barbosa was now smart, because logic Also young players cant be smart. Everyone knows you have to be old and experienced to be a smart NBA player, and that no young players can possibly have high BBIQ upon entering the league, it never happens.

Basically you are saying 19 year olds are smarter than 30 year old nba vets. Livingston is a VERy intelligent bball player. Shows how much you knwo about the game to say he doesnt have a high bball IQ

Yeah... I'm saying one 19 year old player, who's highest selling point was his BBIQ, has a higher BBIQ than a "point guard" who was really a SG but was quick/long enough to guard PGs/SGs, but wasn't especially good with vision or off-ball awareness. Yes, I am saying that, clearly. Smart to pivot away from Barbosa here, so here's a +1 BBIQ for you too

Do I think 36 year old west has higher bball IQ than current Bjelica? Yes I do. Can 36 year oldwest play the same minutes current bjelica probably will on this squad? Yes I think so.

I too can argue points that no one has made. Go ahead and scare up the quote where I said Bjelica was smarter than West.

And I'm not sure why you don't understand the concept that 32-34 year old iguodala is much better for a team than 37 year old iguodala. Will iguodala's experience and be pivotal in the development of our rooks? Hell yes. Will it translate to oncourt production this year versus what younger version of himself? No of course not!

And I'm not sure why a 32 year old Barbosa's theoretical and entirely fabricated BBIQ would be more valuable than Poole's combination of talent, offensive BBIQ, and athleticism. But I'm not the one jumping from side to side on the same fence to be right about an argument

[FNQ]

Honestly man I dont think you can separate or are separating the difference between BBIQ and experience. If you are arguing that we're less experienced, there's an actual numerical value you can point to, and no one is going to argue it

[SF_Warriors]

Your arguments are plain illogical and just shows you lack any common sense when discussing something like this.

My arguments are illogical, but Iguodala isnt smarter now than he was before, but it doesnt count because he was older, but Poole being a better player than Barbosa ever was doesnt count because the notoriously low BBIQ Barbosa was now smart, because logic Also young players cant be smart. Everyone knows you have to be old and experienced to be a smart NBA player, and that no young players can possibly have high BBIQ upon entering the league, it never happens.

Basically you are saying 19 year olds are smarter than 30 year old nba vets. Livingston is a VERy intelligent bball player. Shows how much you knwo about the game to say he doesnt have a high bball IQ

Yeah... I'm saying one 19 year old player, who's highest selling point was his BBIQ, has a higher BBIQ than a "point guard" who was really a SG but was quick/long enough to guard PGs/SGs, but wasn't especially good with vision or off-ball awareness. Yes, I am saying that, clearly.

Do I think 36 year old west has higher bball IQ than current Bjelica? Yes I do. Can 36 year oldwest play the same minutes current bjelica probably will on this squad? Yes I think so.

I too can argue points that no one has made. Go ahead and scare up the quote where I said Bjelica was smarter than West.

And I'm not sure why you don't understand the concept that 32-34 year old iguodala is much better for a team than 37 year old iguodala. Will iguodala's experience and be pivotal in the development of our rooks? Hell yes. Will it translate to oncourt production this year versus what younger version of himself? No of course not!

And I'm not sure why a 32 year old Barbosa's theoretical and entirely fabricated BBIQ would be more valuable than Poole's combination of talent, offensive BBIQ, and athleticism. But I'm not the one jumping from side to side on the same fence to be right about an argument

You think jordan poole has a high bball IQ? He does not. He's basically average in that dept. Barbosa easily was a smarter player, especially 30 year old version of him. Poole is not a smarter player than Livingston. Anybody that understands basketball will know this.

Okay, so you don't think its relevant to bring up west? Because you named him in your own post..and you dont think its relevant to compare him to bjelica who most likely plays the same role? I bring up this point because its relevant to our discussion. It doesnt matter if you failed to bring it up or not.

As for iguodala, 37 year old version of him is smarter but that's not going to translate to oncourt impact because he's not going to play as many minutes. So yes, 37 year old iguodala has better knowledge but if it doesnt translate to oncourt performance why does it matter?

I'm not saying moody is not a high IQ player, I'm saying you cant expect him to know the game as a rookie than a seasoned nba vet. Especially since we havent even seen moody play a single nba game yet. How does that not compute with you..I think moody will be a wayyy better player than livingston by the way.

[SF_Warriors]

Honestly man I dont think you can separate or are separating the difference between BBIQ and experience. If you are arguing that we're less experienced, there's an actual numerical value you can point to, and no one is going to argue it

Is BBIQ not affected by experience or something? Livingson was a very intelligent player. You are either underrating him in that dept or just plain dont understand what he brought to the table.

[FNQ]

You think jordan poole has a high bball IQ? He does not. He's basically average in that dept. Barbosa easily was a smarter player, especially 30 year old version of him. Poole is not a smarter player than Livingston. Anybody that understands basketball will know this.

When in doubt, make stuff up. Again, show where I said that or stop making stuff up as arguments, thanks

Barbosa became a smart player in this conversation, truly amazing considering he retired years ago. He was a bad positional defender and spot-up/iso player that was deployed in small doses because he couldn't do more than that. And he was in the Steph role on defense! And still wasn't good defensively. Poole can make plays for others better (though not much better) and is of course a better shooter. So you'd rather have 32 year old Barbosa (he was 32 his 1st year here) than Poole, right now? (Note: see how I'm asking, and not saying that you want 32 year old Barbosa over Poole right now? Conversation!)

Okay, so you don't think its relevant to bring up west? Because you named him in one post..and you dont think its relevant to compare him to bjelica who most likely plays the same role? Because your argument sucks thats why..I bring up this point because its relevant to our discussion. It doesnt matter if you failed to bring it up or not.

You make wild claims and then justify it like this? How about responding to what I actually say, and then maybe I will engage you in an actual conversation instead of laughing at the idea of Barbosa being smart and Moody not?

I'm not saying moody is not a high IQ player,

Ok, good start...

I'm saying you cant expect him to know the game as a rookie than a seasoned nba vet. Especially since we havent even seen moody play a single nba game yet. How does that not compute with you..I think moody will be a wayyy better player than livingston by the way.

I'm not saying he's not a high IQ player, he just cant possibly be smarter than people who played in the league. Just like a freshman cant be smarter than a graduate. Just like a new employee cant be smarter than an older one. But I'm being ignorant, so just ignore me. Clearly there is a formulaic way the basketball world works, and you've cracked it. Amazing how simple it is, and that we've all missed it