2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

King4Day · Post #3281 » by **King4Day** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:53 am

As for McGee, perhaps he is on vacation following Tokyo. He's technically our 'biggest' signing so perhaps they wanted to do it last.

Post #3282 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:58 am

Barkley6 wrote:

Read on Twitter
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Can't imagine why this would be. I mean, I assume it has to do something with the cap, but it seems odd that it hasn't been officially announced/filed yet.

Could simply mean he's not in town yet. I know you can e-sign stuff these days but maybe they are waiting to see if they get the DPE or something and can preserve the entire MLE.

Or some team could have him locked in a room like Dallas or whoever (Clips did it after DA had verbal agreement with Dallas maybe) did a few years ago trying to get them signed with them and renege on his verbal agreement.

PhxLax · Post #3283 » by **PhxLax** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:21 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=20

Can't imagine why this would be. I mean, I assume it has to do something with the cap, but it seems odd that it hasn't been officially announced/filed yet.

Could simply mean he's not in town yet. I know you can e-sign stuff these days but maybe they are waiting to see if they get the DPE or something and can preserve the entire MLE.

Or some team could have him locked in a room like Dallas or whoever (Clips did it after DA had verbal agreement with Dallas maybe) did a few years ago trying to get them signed with them and renege on his verbal agreement.

This is concerning but could also be nothing. You'll never know. Could be as simple as he's not in town yet. Or as complicated as trying to see if DPE goes thru or any other cost-savings red-tape obstacles they trying to fix before making it official.

Or -- if you've got a wild imagination -- maybe they put a pause on this cause there's some big trade about to go down (Lauri, Thad, Love, Nance Jr, or a few of the three-dozen Centers on the Kings roster) and Suns don't want McGee anymore? Who knows.

What's for sure is Suns definitely need a backup Center signed ASAP and they still need another PF/SF type guy after letting Craig walk.

Phnxsports · Post #3284 » by **Phnxsports** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:33 am

Ok folks. Don't tear me apart here. Just bored and throwing this out there. What about a deal with the Wizards? They have way to many power forwards now and are lacking center depth. Trade Saric and Smith for Kuzma if they are willing after the 60 day waitingn period. (They probably wouldn't be but I'm rosterbating)

Smith could be viewed by other teams as a young promising center vs a PF. Saric going over allows them to be able to utilize the dpe for themselves. Kuzma would be perfect in my opinion as a bench 3/4 for the Suns and he would be motivated to stick it to his old team in LA.

Post #3285 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:36 am

Blonde wrote:I would trade Jalen Smith in a nanosecond if it meant we get Young, Nance, or Markkanen. We don’t have the luxury of waiting to confirm that he’s a bust anymore. Championship window is now and he’s not helping now and doesn’t appear to be close.

+1

He MAY be the perfect complement to Ayton with his rebounding, possible shooting range and defense but our window is open now and we need guys to contribute now. If we have a well-rounded team already then I'm fine with letting him ride the bench but I think we still need to improve our talent in the front court with the limited assets/money we have so if it means moving Stix then so be it.

RunDogGun · Post #3286 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:56 am

King4Day wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Markkanen is seven years younger than Crowder. Might not be bad to get really, and/or have both. Honestly I would love to see two guys go after a position, than worry if Stix can handle 10 minutes a game this season.

I read earlier that Dallas is trying to use their trade exception to get him in a sign/trade. It's around 11mil. And he wants more.
I imagine we could trade Dario and Smith for him to put together a package a little bit more expensive but I'm afraid to give him a ton of money (to be our backup no less), when he's been pretty bad since his rookie year.
I know Chicago wants a first but I'd have to think they'd be content with Smith.

I get it, its a gamble. But we already gave $8.5million to Saric, so it wouldn't be too huge to go past that. And since the numbers of Crowder and he lean towards Markkanen being seven years younger, could he take the starting job?

The way I look at it is, if it could benefit the starting line up, this year for Saric and Smith, I might make that play. But I am not including picks.

Post #3287 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:12 am

RunDogGun wrote:
King4Day wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Markkanen is seven years younger than Crowder. Might not be bad to get really, and/or have both. Honestly I would love to see two guys go after a position, than worry if Stix can handle 10 minutes a game this season.

I read earlier that Dallas is trying to use their trade exception to get him in a sign/trade. It's around 11mil. And he wants more.
I imagine we could trade Dario and Smith for him to put together a package a little bit more expensive but I'm afraid to give him a ton of money (to be our backup no less), when he's been pretty bad since his rookie year.
I know Chicago wants a first but I'd have to think they'd be content with Smith.

I get it, its a gamble. But we already gave $8.5million to Saric, so it wouldn't be too huge to go past that. And since the numbers of Crowder and he lean towards Markkanen being seven years younger, could he take the starting job?

The way I look at it is, if it could benefit the starting line up, this year for Saric and Smith, I might make that play. But I am not including picks.

Give me the guy who could potentially take Crowder's spot over two guys who likely won't contribute next season.

Fo-Real · Post #3288 » by **Fo-Real** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:08 am

Not thinking about the mechanics of trade construction, and only focusing on what player fits the role the best , out of Thad, Nance and Markkanen, I would be all in on Nance Jr. Thad is old, Markkanen is a cry baby Prima donna who has under performed and would want to be a focal point scoring because he gives you near zero defense and rebounding. Nance is a do everything, legit energy big who would actually accept the role we would need him to fit.

Fo-Real · Post #3289 » by **Fo-Real** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:17 am

Maybe we could see a Nance buyout?

Fo-Real · Post #3290 » by **Fo-Real** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:35 am

A second unit on the floor of Cam Payne, Shamet, Cam Johnson, Nance Jr and MgGee would be a great mix of length, defense, hustle and scoring.
Your remaining 3 bench players are Payton, Nader and Frank.... thats a strong 13 bodies considering.

Post #3291 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:37 am

I could see the Suns maybe going after Siakm at the deadline if he's still with the Raptors, this would work financially...
Suns offer Crowder, Saric, Jalen Smith, Elfrid Payton 3 1st round picks and 2 pick swaps for Pascale Siakam. This would potentially be after the Suns have already negotiated a contract with both Bridges and Ayton and the Suns would hopefully be under the luxury tax for the following season. Could put the Suns as the overall favorites for the title with a solid rotation....

CP3 / Payne
Booker / Shamet
Bridges / Nader
Siakam / Johnson / Frank
Ayton / McGee

Saberestar · Post #3292 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:52 am

Fo-Real wrote:Maybe we could see a Nance buyout?

I can not see it, Nance is on a fair contract and has real value as a trade asset.

Saberestar · Post #3293 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:57 am

Phnxsports wrote:Ok folks. Don't tear me apart here. Just bored and throwing this out there. What about a deal with the Wizards? They have way to many power forwards now and are lacking center depth. Trade Saric and Smith for Kuzma if they are willing after the 60 day waitingn period. (They probably wouldn't be but I'm rosterbating)

Smith could be viewed by other teams as a young promising center vs a PF. Saric going over allows them to be able to utilize the dpe for themselves. Kuzma would be perfect in my opinion as a bench 3/4 for the Suns and he would be motivated to stick it to his old team in LA.

I would not trade for Kuzma. Not a good defender/rebounder and has a low basketball IQ.

Good scorer, but he does not have all around skills.

Fo-Real · Post #3294 » by **Fo-Real** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:59 am

Saberestar wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Maybe we could see a Nance buyout?

I can not see it, Nance is on a fair contract and has real value as a trade asset.

Most likely but he has been hurt and they seem to be in a youth movement. Never say never I guess.

timetoshinebaby · Post #3295 » by **timetoshinebaby** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:25 am

The McGee situation is probbaly that we are active trying to trade for a PF. I assume that we are trying to package Saric. Not sure of rules but I would think that in order to use the DPE, you would need to keep Saric.

I wonder if they are trying to keep the MLE potentially free for a midseason move if needed.

The mechanics would be either:

1. Trade Saric for player X. Therefore losing the DPE, and sign McGee to the part MLE.

Or 2. if they can't trade Saric. Sign McGee to a DPE and then use the MLE if someone comes available.

Saberestar · Post #3296 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:35 am

Gambo said on the radio that he had a list of 5 possible Cs and 5 possible PGs that the Suns could sign in FA, but he does not have any list about PFs and that is because the Suns are probably trying to get that player via trade.

On those lists he had McGee as a C and Payton as a PG.

Players available via trade are better than the ones that you can get via FA this season.

So all in all looks like the Suns are trying to get our final rotation player on a trade. It is gonna be interesting.

Adrao · Post #3297 » by **Adrao** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:41 am

Do we consider Dario a good PF? I do, I think he can play in the second unit and he'll be back in February. Payne, Shamet, Johnson, Saric, McGee sounds well.
From October to Febrary we can play with Smith as Crowder backup. Time enought to decide if he can be useful or trade him.

Saberestar · Post #3298 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:49 am

Adrao wrote:Do we consider Dario a good PF? I do, I think he can play in the second unit and he'll be back in February. Payne, Shamet, Johnson, Saric, McGee sounds well.
From October to Febrary we can play with Smith as Crowder backup. Time enought to decide if he can be useful or trade him.

It is sad but Saric will not be able to play that early. He had surgery last week and recovery time is around 9 months for that injury.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #3299 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:12 am

Anyone have Nader ahead of Shamet?

(per 36)

Nader: 16 points, 41% from 3, 111 O-Rating, 111 D-Rating, -3 on / off
Shamet: 14 points, 38% from 3, 113 O-Rating, 118 D-Rating, -4 on / off

King4Day · Post #3300 » by **King4Day** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:27 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Adrao wrote:Do we consider Dario a good PF? I do, I think he can play in the second unit and he'll be back in February. Payne, Shamet, Johnson, Saric, McGee sounds well.
From October to Febrary we can play with Smith as Crowder backup. Time enought to decide if he can be useful or trade him.

It is sad but Saric will not be able to play that early. He had surgery last week and recovery time is around 9 months for that injury.

Agreed.Dude is done for the year. Gotta remember, he JUST had the surgery. A 6 month return never happens in the NBA for ACL.
Even if he was able to return for the playoffs, he'd be rusty and not have chemistry with the team.

Grade the Suns off-season moves so far