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Post#1441 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:32 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Am i the only one who watched Herro try to be a ball handler last year and fail miserably on most occasions? Second guessing wether to score or pass? Feel like it really screwed with him mentally. Oh yeah great idea lets run the same thing again. This organization really thinks we don’t need another PG but made Lowry a priority? If he goes down we are back to square one. As Oreon said above. Roster malpractice not having another true PG on the roster.


We definitely need another ball handler. Imagine if Lowry and Jimmy both go out, which is possible given their injury histories, and Dipo is still recovering?

Need someone not named Gabe to be our backup 1. I really don't understand why the FO and Coaching staff seem to love this guy.

He reminds them of Bimbo Coles. Give Dante Exum a damn shot with this team.
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Post#1442 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:34 am

Shewasfly wrote:How soon is Oladipo going to be able to play (target date anyway, we all know things could change with his health any day smh)?

I see him doing a lot of ball handling. And I think Herro is going to take most of the backup "pg" minutes. Maybe they'll have Lowry try to whip him into something.

Oladipo for sure can handle backup PG duties but he’s 4-5 months out.
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Post#1444 » by Wiltside » Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:09 am

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Damn man, that’s sad as phuck. Ainge really screwed this mans.

Phuck it, come on down IT. Join the vet crew and get buckets.
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Give this man a job. He hungry and wants to prove a lot of people wrong. Our bench needs scoring. He brings it


Damn man, that’s sad as phuck. Ainge really screwed this mans.

Phuck it, come on down IT. Join the vet crew and get buckets.
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Post#1446 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:57 am

Don't sleep on our summer league guys.

We have two 6'5 PGs that stayed 4 years, have great length and look comfortable running point.

I don't really see an issue with bringing the ball up and getting into sets - Vincent can do that too.

But we don't have a guy that can go get buckets when the offense boggles down.

Isaiah Thomas sadly looks dome to me, but that type of player would help.
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Post#1447 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:34 am

TBH the more I think about our roster, the more modest my hopes become.

I think in term of talent we're not top 4 in the East.

I think Lowry is good but considering age he's probably not going to be good enough to be the third star Jimmy and Bam needed.

I think out PF rotation might look pretty pathetic 20 games in, once you guys realize just how much of am offensive liability PJ tucker is and How unreliable Morris is.

We couldn't get a bucket getter with Dennis Schroder going to Celtics for less then what we paid washed Tucker.

Looking at all the good players signing for super cheap deals everywhere but here, a lot of proven talent was there to be had but we..gave PJ Tucker the MLE and...we were done. I just can't get over how underwhelming this offseason actually was - looking at the overall addition objectively.

We needed to have a great offseason and we had an ok one (being generous here). That's Not going to be good enough IMO.

Only hope is a huge jump from :

Omer (solving chit PF rotation palying next to Bam)
Herro (Solving the bucket getting issue we'll surly have with the limited scoring of the "big 3")
Bam (becoming a true star able to take over offensively and make others better)

Sadly, I wouldn't bet on those happening.
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Post#1448 » by 3ballbomber » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:36 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:TBH the more I think about our roster, the more modest my hopes become.

I think in term of talent we're not top 4 in the East.

I think Lowry is good but considering age he's probably not going to be good enough to be the third star Jimmy and Bam needed.

I think out PF rotation might look pretty pathetic 20 games in, once you guys realize just how much of am offensive liability PJ tucker is and How unreliable Morris is.

We couldn't get a bucket getter with Dennis Schroder going to Celtics for less then what we paid washed Tucker.

Looking at all the good players signing for super cheap deals everywhere but here, a lot of proven talent was there to be had but we..gave PJ Tucker the MLE and...we were done. I just can't get over how underwhelming this offseason actually was - looking at the overall addition objectively.

We needed to have a great offseason and we had an ok one (being generous here). That's Not going to be good enough IMO.

Only hope is a huge jump from :

Omer (solving chit PF rotation palying next to Bam)
Herro (Solving the bucket getting issue we'll surly have with the limited scoring of the "big 3")
Bam (becoming a true star able to take over offensively and make others better)

Sadly, I wouldn't bet on those happening.

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Post#1449 » by 3ballbomber » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:57 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Am i the only one who watched Herro try to be a ball handler last year and fail miserably on most occasions? Second guessing wether to score or pass? Feel like it really screwed with him mentally. Oh yeah great idea lets run the same thing again. This organization really thinks we don’t need another PG but made Lowry a priority? If he goes down we are back to square one. As Oreon said above. Roster malpractice not having another true PG on the roster.


We definitely need another ball handler. Imagine if Lowry and Jimmy both go out, which is possible given their injury histories, and Dipo is still recovering?

Herro can be a reasonable secondary creator, but a PG he ain't. Honestly, it doesn't do him any favours forcing him into a role he's clearly not comfortable with. Let him come in and focus on his middy, the three ball and some facilitation - not worrying about initiating offense and getting guys in their spots.

Need someone not named Gabe to be our backup 1. I really don't understand why the FO and Coaching staff seem to love this guy.


I agree he's more comfortable as a 2 guard. It was a good for him to learn the 1 spot last season, regardless how he performed. That's how you develop. Being that we're not true contenders this season, i think Herro shld continue to learn PG role. On top of that we also need to get him used to being more physical & playing through contact. He's too finesse & soft. I understand he's putting on more weight to help bang w/ the big boys in the league - that's a good start. Let's develop the hell out of this kid & see if we can't make him the best of what he can be & reach his full potential under our watch & care. He just needs to focus on his basketball & acclimating himself to the NBA & forget all that IG-famous/celeb bullsh*t - i know a lot of us can't continue to tolerate that sh*t.
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Post#1450 » by dean456 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:11 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:TBH the more I think about our roster, the more modest my hopes become.

I think in term of talent we're not top 4 in the East.

I think Lowry is good but considering age he's probably not going to be good enough to be the third star Jimmy and Bam needed.

I think out PF rotation might look pretty pathetic 20 games in, once you guys realize just how much of am offensive liability PJ tucker is and How unreliable Morris is.

We couldn't get a bucket getter with Dennis Schroder going to Celtics for less then what we paid washed Tucker.

Looking at all the good players signing for super cheap deals everywhere but here, a lot of proven talent was there to be had but we..gave PJ Tucker the MLE and...we were done. I just can't get over how underwhelming this offseason actually was - looking at the overall addition objectively.

We needed to have a great offseason and we had an ok one (being generous here). That's Not going to be good enough IMO.

Only hope is a huge jump from :

Omer (solving chit PF rotation palying next to Bam)
Herro (Solving the bucket getting issue we'll surly have with the limited scoring of the "big 3")
Bam (becoming a true star able to take over offensively and make others better)

Sadly, I wouldn't bet on those happening.


I think people are underestimating how much we will improve offensively with the moves we've made. The players we picked up aren't potent go to one on one offensive players but we don't really play that way anyway. We are most effective when the ball is moving and finding the highest percentage shot.

I think Morris and Tucker help both Bam and Jimmy be more effective at the rim as their speciality on offense is corner 3's so they will be pulling the opposing big to either corner or they will be open for 3, having either Duncan or Lowry in the other corner/wing will give Jimmy and Bam plenty of room to operate their 2 man game.

We often would get off to slow starts offensively in games and our bench would come in and pick up the slack. I think that was mostly due to how Nunn fit with the other starters. Nunn wasn't particularly good at getting other guys involved offensively and for the most part just worked to get his own shots when he had the ball which is also big part of the reason why Jimmy played the facilitator a lot early in games. Swapping Nunn out with a healthy Dragic usually led to good results for us offensively. I think Lowry has a great combination of skills where he can either get his own shot or get others involved and usually makes the best read to do either. This unlocks a lot for us offensively.

Duncan can now go from being the primary option for the DHO to a secondary option with Lowry or Jimmy facilitating to him. When we send Duncan to the ball to try and create an open look for himself teams can send the double to Duncan because he's not good at moving the ball to the open guy under pressure. But if you now switch that to Lowry and he's receiving the double, more often then not Lowry will make the right read and the ball will end up in the hands of the open guy and a high percentage shot.
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Post#1451 » by Heat_team02 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:11 am

A couple of these Summer League players know that a contract could come after todays game. Whether it's a regular contract or a 2-way, a signing is likely imminent. They are just waiting to see if they bomb or whether they are worthy of a regular roster spot.

Potter is on the outside looking in & Jarreau is trying for the 2-way.
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Post#1452 » by Vertical Limit » Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:12 am

Im sure there will be at least 8 games this season where both Butler and Lowry are out… and 8 is too much to afford
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Post#1453 » by Seabass777 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:58 am

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BFRESH44 wrote:This team is pretty much done. Staying under the tax is definitely on the agenda. Doubt they want to start the repeater tax clock right now.

It’s about identifying the two way contract from the summer league mix now.


I think Dante Exum could be had for the vet minimum, we desperately need a backup 1, that needs to be addressed, once we address a backup guard, then I think they'll lock up the two way guys hopefully


Exum can’t stay on the court to save his life. Doubt he’ll ever be on the radar.



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Post#1454 » by SA37 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:15 pm

Wiltside wrote:I think the fanbase on the whole has downplayed the significance of the Lowry addition. I get that he's not a whale these days, but he's a 6x All-Star that's still putting up quality numbers. He's an NBA Champ and solid playoff performer whose numbers last season were almost identical to his numbers when he was 28 years old and entering his prime.

2014-15: 17.8ppg, 4.7rpg, 6.8apg, 1.6spg, 0.2bpg, 2.5tpg, 41.2%fg (6.1/14.9), 33.8% 3fg (1.9/5.6) and 80.8%ft (3.6/4.5) in 34.5mpg
2020-21: 17.2ppg, 5.4rpg, 7.3apg, 1.0spg, 0.3bpg, 2.7tpg, 43.6%fg (5.7/13.0), 39.6% 3fg (2.8/7.2) and 87.5%ft (3.0/3.5) in 34.8mpg

His game should continue to age well. Clearly his 3pt shot has become an ever increasing part of his arsenal over the years, as it now makes up over half of his attempts from the floor, but he's also hitting it at near on 40% on high volume. Hopefully with a better team around him this year, his efficiency will continue to trend upwards. His eFG% of 54.6% last season was his best since 2017-18.

You can certainly do a lot worse than having Kyle and Jimmy as the two veteran leaders on your team. We then have our 'young vets' in Bam and Duncan as our next two key pillars who are likely the bridge between the 'older vets' and the 'younger guys'.

I'm certainly intrigued by what lineup Spo is going to put out to start, as well as our rotation. Will he go small with Tucker at the 4 and Bam at the 5 again? Will he start Morris at the 4 instead as a nominal starter? Does he go big and young by starting Yurt?

All are possibilities. I think we saw with Duncan's ascension that Spo isn't scared of starting a player, no matter how inexperienced or unproven, if he believes they long term will benefit from the reps. Hoping Yurt is the next guy up on the front, as his size, rebounding ability and floor stretching capability makes him a very good fit with that starting lineup. Defensively he can also learn alongside Lowry/Jimmy/Bam too, and if he's getting torched, he sits in favour of Tucker or Morris or Dedmon.


I don't think Lowry puts Miami "over the top," per say. In concert with the rest of the moves Miami has made, Lowry is by far one of the most important pieces, but I don't see him being a massive improvement over Dragić, at least offensively. A best-case scenario is Lowry becomes Miami's Jrue Holiday, and no one is crediting Holiday (who had a historically poor playoffs shooting-wise: 40fg% and 30 3pt% in the playoffs, 37 fg% and 27 3pt% in the Finals) with putting Milwaukee over the top.

Retaining Duncan Robinson is quite underwhelming. Oladipo's health and ability to return as an all-star-ish level player is anything but a given. There are still big questions as to whether or not Adebayo and/or Herro can play bigger roles in Miami's success than they have to date, especially when we're talking about Adebayo's offense. PJ Tucker shot 39 fg% and 32 3pt% in the post-season (he shot a similarly dismal percentage in the regular season) and averaged 4 points and 5 rebounds per game in 30 minutes.

On top of the above, Miami had 2 massive issues: rebounding (Miami was 29th in rebounds last year) and scoring (Miami was 25th in scoring last year). Miami is still an insanely small team and Miami Miami has not gotten demonstrably better offensively based on the acquisitions. Miami's bench was also pretty bad, and the team has not really improved there either.

Again, I think Miami did every well considering its limited resources and lack of alternatives. There is a chance this could all work out, but to get back to the Finals, Miami is also going to need to be better than Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and Atlanta, who all have extremely talented teams.
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Post#1455 » by AirP. » Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:03 pm

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Damn man, that’s sad as phuck. Ainge really screwed this mans.

Phuck it, come on down IT. Join the vet crew and get buckets.


He didn't get screwed, he got injured and then got traded in a good trade for the Celtics. Now if the Celtics told them they'd take care of him financially if he played through that injury I get that but I don't think that happened. Also, Thomas was openly taunting the franchise about how they were going to have to back up the Brink's truck on his next contract because this is a business. I get feeling sorry for him in this situation but it was just bad luck and he lost his leverage. Luckily for him he's made over 30 million so far in the NBA.

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Post#1456 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:08 pm

Would love to see Spo think out the box again like when he started Leonard with Bam and go with Yurtseven right out the gate if he continues to play well. Watching Yurtseven block shots, board, and hit outside shots is such a breath of fresh air and allows Bam to meet full potential at the 4.
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Post#1457 » by dean456 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:20 pm

While Tucker and Morris are both 6'5 and 6'9 respectively and we didn't really add much more height, I think we did however add more size.

Tucker and Morris are both 245lbs who use their bodies effectively, compare that to Ariza and Iggy (both 215lbs) who we relied on a lot at PF last year I think its a significant upgrade. They won't be guys who rack up double digit rebounds regularly they will however be able to prevent giving guys good position to get easy offensive boards consistently and will allow guys like Bam, Jimmy and even Lowry who's a good rebounder for his size get easier defensive boards.

Add to that Bam improving, a full season of Dedmond with us and what Yurtseven could possibly bring to the team I think our rebounding will be much better this season.

Sometimes guys statistical numbers don't accurately represent the impact they have on your team winning, Both Tucker and Morris have very good intangibles that will help this team win games and with the other talent on the team they don't need to fill the stat sheet if they can do everything in between.
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Post#1458 » by heat4life » Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:38 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Would love to see Spo think out the box again like when he started Leonard with Bam and go with Yurtseven right out the gate if he continues to play well. Watching Yurtseven block shots, board, and hit outside shots is such a breath of fresh air and allows Bam to meet full potential at the 4.


I think it all comes down to his defense. How quickly he can pick up Miami's complicated team defense. KO and Leaonard were not the best man-to-man defenders but they knew the right spots to rotate on the team defense. If Yurt7 can get to that level at the very least, he'll play. Obviously my hope is for more than what KO and Leonard offered defensively though.

He needs a few months in the G-League to get there imo.
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Post#1459 » by eddieheatfan » Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:05 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:Im sure there will be at least 8 games this season where both Butler and Lowry are out… and 8 is too much to afford
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Post#1460 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:36 pm

dean456 wrote:While Tucker and Morris are both 6'5 and 6'9 respectively and we didn't really add much more height, I think we did however add more size.

Tucker and Morris are both 245lbs who use their bodies effectively, compare that to Ariza and Iggy (both 215lbs) who we relied on a lot at PF last year I think its a significant upgrade. They won't be guys who rack up double digit rebounds regularly they will however be able to prevent giving guys good position to get easy offensive boards consistently and will allow guys like Bam, Jimmy and even Lowry who's a good rebounder for his size get easier defensive boards.

Add to that Bam improving, a full season of Dedmond with us and what Yurtseven could possibly bring to the team I think our rebounding will be much better this season.

Sometimes guys statistical numbers don't accurately represent the impact they have on your team winning, Both Tucker and Morris have very good intangibles that will help this team win games and with the other talent on the team they don't need to fill the stat sheet if they can do everything in between.


I hope you're right.

My biggest issue is our PF rotation - I have very little faith in Tucker/Morris/KZ.

One can't score at all and undersized and old, one just was never good or consistent, and one isn't developing like we hoped.

The cure if we're lucky might be Omer stepping up as legit stretch 5 that can hit 3's and grab alot of boards while providing servicable defense with his size. Let's pray on that.
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