ATL - NBA to investigate Lowry/Ball deals for tampering, pg. 81

[Ayt]

I'm guessing Vegas is still holding out hope that GS flips those young guys (Kuminga, Moody) plus other picks for Beal. I continue to find it ridiculous that they're still treating them like a Top-3 or 5 contender with how garbage that roster is outside of Steph/Draymond, but that's probably what their reasoning is.

It isn't Vegas, it is bettors.

[Nightfall]

[LuessiT]

I think he sucks but it's kinda crazy DSJ is out of the league after 4 years.

[har13]

I wanted Schroeder last year but i was wrong, he is not a team player, not bad for the money Boston took him but i m fine, Patty is much better than him..

What you guys believe about Norman Powell? I dont know if we can afford him, i mean, can we sign and trade Donte/Allen or both?
Of course even better if one of them or both prove that we dont need a better SG but what if... i dont know if Powell is any good on D but he is a very good scorer and his numbers are great.

[LuessiT]

I wanted Schroeder last year but i was wrong, he is not a team player, not bad for the money Boston took him but i m fine, Patty is much better than him..

What you guys believe about Norman Powell? I dont know if we can afford him, i mean, can we sign and trade Donte/Allen or both?
Of course even better if one of them or both prove that we dont need a better SG but what if... i dont know if Powell is any good on D but he is a very good scorer and his numbers are great.

What? Powell signed a 5y contract with Portland.

[tedbrogen]

I wanted Schroeder last year but i was wrong, he is not a team player, not bad for the money Boston took him but i m fine, Patty is much better than him..

What you guys believe about Norman Powell? I dont know if we can afford him, i mean, can we sign and trade Donte/Allen or both?
Of course even better if one of them or both prove that we dont need a better SG but what if... i dont know if Powell is any good on D but he is a very good scorer and his numbers are great.

What? Powell signed a 5y contract with Portland.

Also the Bucks can’t be involved in any S&T where they get players back or they get hard capped.

[har13]

I wanted Schroeder last year but i was wrong, he is not a team player, not bad for the money Boston took him but i m fine, Patty is much better than him..

What you guys believe about Norman Powell? I dont know if we can afford him, i mean, can we sign and trade Donte/Allen or both?
Of course even better if one of them or both prove that we dont need a better SG but what if... i dont know if Powell is any good on D but he is a very good scorer and his numbers are great.

What? Powell signed a 5y contract with Portland.

Also the Bucks can’t be involved in any S&T where they get players back or they get hard capped.

So we cant, thank you.

[machu46]

Somewhat interesting stuff from Zach Lowe this morning:

- Says that Lillard hasn't requested a trade yet (which we knew), but if they do, he believes the three contenders for him are Philly, New York, and New Orleans (which has always been my belief, but nice to see it substantiated).

- He mentioned that New Orleans' appetite for that kind of trade is unknown, so it could ultimately come down to Philly and New York, in which case Philly has a leg up because New York can't trade for Lillard before mid-December at the earliest due to all their contracts being ineligible to be traded until then.

- I also feel like we may have already known this, but he mentioned that Philly has been holding off on a Simmons trade for now to see if Lillard actually becomes available.

- Re: Golden State's interest in Ben Simmons, he thinks people may be overestimating the issues that a Draymond/Simmons pairing would cause for them; he thinks with their playmaking abilities and the shooting that Golden State can surround them with, they could make magic.

- Lastly, he mentions that KAT is probably the guy that Golden State should be waiting for, but he may never actually become available.

[MickeyDavis]

Malice at the Palace, released yesterday on Netflix, is worth the hour.

[paulpressey25]

Somewhat interesting stuff from Zach Lowe this morning:

The rumor floating around Philly and GSW is this deal:

Lillard to PHI
Ben Simmons to GSW
Boatload of assets to Portland from both Philly and GSW

I do think that makes sense for all three teams, provided the assets to Portland are sufficient.

[WRau1]

POR is going to make out like bandits even though they're giving up the best player.

[DingleJerry]

I know Lowe is the best writer out there and respect his opinion. But I'm pretty skeptical on Green/Simmons pairing. If I'm them, I probably do the trade but then start shopping Green somewhere else for a better fit. Granted, I dislike Green and I doubt they'd do him dirty like that.

[machu46]

I know Lowe is the best writer out there and respect his opinion. But I'm pretty skeptical on Green/Simmons pairing. If I'm them, I probably do the trade but then start shopping Green somewhere else for a better fit. Granted, I dislike Green and I doubt they'd do him dirty like that.

Yeah, a part of me wonders if they might ultimately move off Draymond if they were to get Simmons. I'm definitely a bit skeptical, though I don't think it's impossible that they could build a good team around those two + Curry & Thompson. Would be fascinating to watch them try.

[Ron Swanson]

Draymond's basically what you already want in Simmons (elite defense, passing/play-making) and unlike Simmons isn't a complete beta who refuses to shoot (he just doesn't shoot much). I don't see any reason why Golden State would want to do that.

[paulpressey25]

Draymond's basically what you already want in Simmons (elite defense, passing/play-making) and unlike Simmons isn't a complete beta who refuses to shoot (he just doesn't shoot much). I don't see any reason why Golden State would want to do that.

Draymond's effectiveness has taken a hit and he's getting old. Additionally, I think Simmons as a buy low candidate for certain teams makes a lot of sense. If GSW combines him with Klay and Steph, they've got a foundation to be relevant again IMO.

[machu46]

Draymond's basically what you already want in Simmons (elite defense, passing/play-making) and unlike Simmons isn't a complete beta who refuses to shoot (he just doesn't shoot much). I don't see any reason why Golden State would want to do that.

Simmons would give them an opportunity to extend their winning window beyond what Draymond currently provides. Not to mention he's still only 24 and is probably a better all-around player than Draymond at this point. If god forbid they're able to tap into Simmons' finishing ability more, he could be a major upgrade for them in the Draymond role.

Still unsure of the two of them playing together, though ideally, they don't necessarily have to operate in the same spaces on the floor as Draymond is almost exclusively positioning at the 3 point line or elbows, whereas Simmons probably shouldn't be utilized at the 3 point line all that much.

[Ron Swanson]

That's fine in theory but the Warriors front office has been operating under this "have our cake and eat it too" type mantra since KD left and all they've done is essentially waste two seasons of Curry's prime. I'm not at all convinced that Simmons is the better player between him and Draymond when the postseason rolls around, aka when it matters.

[DingleJerry]

In general yea Simmons is better and younger, and being taller helps. But a big thing in making this fit is toughness/balls, draymond trumps simmons all day on that. If you play both together then you can't have another big out there, and Simmons isn't tough enough to be a 5 and Green's so small. I know the death lineup had Green at the 5, but SImmons just is not KD.

Yea it could work and they'd be a good team, but I don't think it works/fits well enough to be a true title contender. Ideally you'd have a big who can shoot a bit, Simmons, then the Gs/shooters. Really can't do a Big, Green, Simmons, Steph, Klay lineup all that much. Maybe if the big is a legit good shooter I suppose.

[paulpressey25]

That's fine in theory but the Warriors front office has been operating under this "have our cake and eat it too" type mantra since KD left and all they've done is essentially waste two seasons of Curry's prime. I'm not at all convinced that Simmons is the better player between him and Draymond when the postseason rolls around, aka when it matters.

2015-16 Draymond was a great, great player. Current Draymond has really taken a fall.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

In the West you need to worry about seeding and get one of those top 4 with HCA. Maybe fool's gold, but I'd take Simmons right now pretty easily and hope that by getting him off that team with Embiid that he'd blossom.

[SupremeHustle]

We know who Dan is talking about...

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