HeartBreakKid wrote:I think you're getting things a bit mixed up with what a career is. More romanticized career hardly equals more better and by the time they are old men no one will care about either regardless.
Carlos Boozer has made at least more than double the amount of money Haslem has made and has not had to work nearly as hard as Haslem for for about 8 years now. He's done plenty well for himself.
The point of a career is to make money, which he has done more successfully than Haslem; not to win a popularity contest. Boozer also reached higher levels of his craft than Haslem did, if we want to go with the "there is more to life than money".
If you're arguing that Haslem is better set up for an executive job, then one would question why wouldn't he just become an executive already. Not to mention someone with Boozer's resume could easily go into upper management as well, it's likely not Boozer's priority or maybe even his personality prevents him from doing that - if he is even interested in such a thing.
Maybe I am more competitive, or maybe I have more ideas to do with larger sums of money - but I'd much rather be an NBA all-star than a guy riding the bench into his 40s as a bootleg coach. Boozer is an easy target because he is not seen a prestigious player and he also spray painted his hair, but he is objectively a very accomplished person and most people would not say that he was anything less to his face.
On the first part, you and I just have very different perspectives. I'm a teacher. In everything I'm doing, I'm trying to have an impact on something I hope will be bigger than myself, and last longer than I will. The next school year will start and I'll be surrounded by people I expect I will die before, and that's what I've chosen. And if I had the opportunity for community impact that a beloved former athlete of a city does, I could do more. So that's how I see things.
Re: Boozer hasn't had to work...for 8 years now. I mean, he didn't leave basketball when he left the NBA. First he went to China, then he went to BIG3 where he was still playing up through 2019. I'm not saying he did that because he "had to work", but clearly he's not someone who has been sipping margaritas on the proverbial beach since 2015. Hard not to imagine that, at least up through 2019, he'd have rather have been in Haslem's position - as a revered veteran leader in an organization that values him - than in the position he was in.
Re: "maybe I have more ideas to do with larger sums of money". Given that Haslem has made more than $60 mill in his career in a state with no income tax, I find myself questioning how much money is enough before anything else matters beyond money from this perspective. If that kind of money isn't enough, what kind of a threshold are you looking for?
Re: "reached higher levels of his craft", "rather be an NBA all-star". So, I do get this perspective in general.
Steve Kerr was once asked if he'd trade his career - with the rings - for a career like Steve Nash, and his response was something, "Are you kidding? To be able to do those things on the court! Of course I would!" It always struck me because the question was a classic suck-up softball question set up for Kerr to take about "the joy of winning", where Kerr seemed to respond in terms of the physical experience of doing the thing. A guy like Nash gets to play with a kind of creative freedom that a role player like Kerr wasn't allowed to do. Kerr - an exceptional mind full of creative energy - largely earned his keep by being something of a robot out there. Sure that's understating what he brought to the table in that role, but role players constrain themselves to fit into something less than their full capacity, and you miss out on something when you do that.
So I can see preferring a star's career over a role player's career in general.
My issue with Boozer's career on this front - again, just my personal preferences - is that to me he didn't really do obvious stuff that I've be looking to want to do were I the "star". Were I the star, I'd want to be able to be creative and improvise like crazy...but Boozer always felt pretty robotic out there to me, so I wouldn't actually say it ever looked like that much fun to go play like Boozer to me. And then there's the matter that I'd be wanting to use my stature to develop my leadership and community, in the locker room and out, and Boozer repeatedly showed signs he didn't understand the value of this much at all.
I don't want to be super-negative about Boozer's career here. We're talking about a guy picked 35th overall in the draft who unquestionably outperformed the vast majority of player chosen ahead of him. It's a very nice career. But I think Haslem's is quite nice as well, despite being not as good at his best as Boozer was.