The too early Suggs vs. Barnes thread

[disoblige]

pretty sure youre the one getting mad about my opinion

Suggs was never the guy at 4. Thats something you allowed the media to trick you with. Its called indoctrination. Barnes was always the guy. His character and approach matches perfectly with the Raptors fundamental core. He fits in perfectly with VV, Siakam and OG. Gives them a happy Draymond Green, a Simmons that will work on his game.

Suggs needed to be the man and for the Raptors that leadership role is not something thats just handed off to a rookie. Its a process. Orlando can be that team. The team with a leader who has never led. Really the ones who screwed up are the Cavs. Barnes is already a better player than Mobley and is a better fit for that team. Suggs is a better fit for Orlando. Win win situation.

I never said I didn't like barnes.. He looks great, his IQ looks off the charts (making Draymond-like passes in the mid post) which is not really coachable whereas shooting and ball handling he can get better over time. If he can become a decent shooter and tighten up his handling I think he will be an all star level player

My biggest worry for Barnes is his Athleticism. Hes not marc gasol but he's also not Kawhi/OG (or even Draymond) level so I dont think he will be the next Scottie Pippen as some people have predicted. He will rely more on length and position which is fine.

I just see Suggs as a generational talent. He has solid IQ with underrated athleticism and incredible passion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Did you even see his combine? He jumps and move faster than pascal.

Mockdrafts had sugg mid 1st pick early in College season.

[OhCanada1091]

Suggs was never the guy at 4. Thats something you allowed the media to trick you with. Its called indoctrination. Barnes was always the guy. His character and approach matches perfectly with the Raptors fundamental core. He fits in perfectly with VV, Siakam and OG. Gives them a happy Draymond Green, a Simmons that will work on his game.

Suggs needed to be the man and for the Raptors that leadership role is not something thats just handed off to a rookie. Its a process. Orlando can be that team. The team with a leader who has never led. Really the ones who screwed up are the Cavs. Barnes is already a better player than Mobley and is a better fit for that team. Suggs is a better fit for Orlando. Win win situation.

I never said I didn't like barnes.. He looks great, his IQ looks off the charts (making Draymond-like passes in the mid post) which is not really coachable whereas shooting and ball handling he can get better over time. If he can become a decent shooter and tighten up his handling I think he will be an all star level player

My biggest worry for Barnes is his Athleticism. Hes not marc gasol but he's also not Kawhi/OG (or even Draymond) level so I dont think he will be the next Scottie Pippen as some people have predicted. He will rely more on length and position which is fine.

I just see Suggs as a generational talent. He has solid IQ with underrated athleticism and incredible passion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Did you even see his combine? He jumps and move faster than pascal.

Mockdrafts had sugg mid 1st pick early in College season.

Yeah I think this second game Barnes will put the athleticism issues to rest. Knicks are well coached, even the summer league team. Warriors are gonna be sloppy and easy to get into the break against and we will see more of that athleticism.

Not to mention its hot as hell in Vegas and Scottie was gassed. You gotta remember he is a legit 6'9 230. This is a big boy. Its not like Kuminga who is 6'6 210.

And he doesn't HAVE TO play with athleticism all the time. This is a good sign. He knows when to use it, not to burn himself out.

[anotherhomer]

Suggs was never the guy at 4. Thats something you allowed the media to trick you with. Its called indoctrination. Barnes was always the guy. His character and approach matches perfectly with the Raptors fundamental core. He fits in perfectly with VV, Siakam and OG. Gives them a happy Draymond Green, a Simmons that will work on his game.

Suggs needed to be the man and for the Raptors that leadership role is not something thats just handed off to a rookie. Its a process. Orlando can be that team. The team with a leader who has never led. Really the ones who screwed up are the Cavs. Barnes is already a better player than Mobley and is a better fit for that team. Suggs is a better fit for Orlando. Win win situation.

I never said I didn't like barnes.. He looks great, his IQ looks off the charts (making Draymond-like passes in the mid post) which is not really coachable whereas shooting and ball handling he can get better over time. If he can become a decent shooter and tighten up his handling I think he will be an all star level player

My biggest worry for Barnes is his Athleticism. Hes not marc gasol but he's also not Kawhi/OG (or even Draymond) level so I dont think he will be the next Scottie Pippen as some people have predicted. He will rely more on length and position which is fine.

I just see Suggs as a generational talent. He has solid IQ with underrated athleticism and incredible passion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

i'm pretty sure raps wanted evan mobley, unless the call to cavs, was to make them believe they wanted evan

Did you even see his combine? He jumps and move faster than pascal.

Mockdrafts had sugg mid 1st pick early in College season.

[OhCanada1091]

Can't wait until we see the size difference between Kuminga and Barnes.

[Raps in 4]

I never said I didn't like barnes.. He looks great, his IQ looks off the charts (making Draymond-like passes in the mid post) which is not really coachable whereas shooting and ball handling he can get better over time. If he can become a decent shooter and tighten up his handling I think he will be an all star level player

My biggest worry for Barnes is his Athleticism. Hes not marc gasol but he's also not Kawhi/OG (or even Draymond) level so I dont think he will be the next Scottie Pippen as some people have predicted. He will rely more on length and position which is fine.

I just see Suggs as a generational talent. He has solid IQ with underrated athleticism and incredible passion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Did you even see his combine? He jumps and move faster than pascal.

Mockdrafts had sugg mid 1st pick early in College season.

Yeah I think this second game Barnes will put the athleticism issues to rest. Knicks are well coached, even the summer league team. Warriors are gonna be sloppy and easy to get into the break against and we will see more of that athleticism.

Not to mention its hot as hell in Vegas and Scottie was gassed. You gotta remember he is a legit 6'9 230. This is a big boy. Its not like Kuminga who is 6'6 210.

And he doesn't HAVE TO play with athleticism all the time. This is a good sign. He knows when to use it, not to burn himself out.

Barnes is 6'7"

He's not the quickest guy, but he's definitely athletic. His movement reminds me of Kawhi.

[KINGTHANOS]

pretty sure youre the one getting mad about my opinion

Suggs was never the guy at 4. Thats something you allowed the media to trick you with. Its called indoctrination. Barnes was always the guy. His character and approach matches perfectly with the Raptors fundamental core. He fits in perfectly with VV, Siakam and OG. Gives them a happy Draymond Green, a Simmons that will work on his game.

Suggs needed to be the man and for the Raptors that leadership role is not something thats just handed off to a rookie. Its a process. Orlando can be that team. The team with a leader who has never led. Really the ones who screwed up are the Cavs. Barnes is already a better player than Mobley and is a better fit for that team. Suggs is a better fit for Orlando. Win win situation.

I never said I didn't like barnes.. He looks great, his IQ looks off the charts (making Draymond-like passes in the mid post) which is not really coachable whereas shooting and ball handling he can get better over time. If he can become a decent shooter and tighten up his handling I think he will be an all star level player

My biggest worry for Barnes is his Athleticism. Hes not marc gasol but he's also not Kawhi/OG (or even Draymond) level so I dont think he will be the next Scottie Pippen as some people have predicted. He will rely more on length and position which is fine.

I just see Suggs as a generational talent. He has solid IQ with underrated athleticism and incredible passion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

How is your biggest worry with Barnes athleticism? He recorded a 39.5 inch vertical jump at the combine and all reports about his athleticism are great. Not sure where you're seeing that.

[everdiso]

Did you even see his combine? He jumps and move faster than pascal.

Mockdrafts had sugg mid 1st pick early in College season.

Yeah I think this second game Barnes will put the athleticism issues to rest. Knicks are well coached, even the summer league team. Warriors are gonna be sloppy and easy to get into the break against and we will see more of that athleticism.

Not to mention its hot as hell in Vegas and Scottie was gassed. You gotta remember he is a legit 6'9 230. This is a big boy. Its not like Kuminga who is 6'6 210.

And he doesn't HAVE TO play with athleticism all the time. This is a good sign. He knows when to use it, not to burn himself out.

Barnes is 6'7"

He's not the quickest guy, but he's definitely athletic. His movement reminds me of Kawhi.

Combine Speed & Agility (out of 55 tested)

Shuttle Run

1. G.Brown 2.98
2. S.Barnes 2.99
3. C.Kispert 2.99
4. A.Wiggins 3.00
5. A.Lawson 3.01
6. S.Lewis 3.03
7. Z.Williams 3.04
8. Y.Pons 3.05
9. D.Washington 3.06
10. S.Hauser 3.07

Standing Vertical

1. K.Johnson 41.5
2. J.Sims 37.0
3. S.Barnes 36.0
4. Y.Pons 36.0
5. J.Springer 34.5
6. D.Steward 34.5
7. Z.Williams 34.0
8. S.Lewia 34.0
9. T.Murphy 34.0
10. G.Brown 33.5

Lane Agility

1. S.Lewis 10.45
2. N.Hyland 10.53
3. Z.Williams 10.69
4. J.Wieskamp 10.70
5. M.Wright 10.76
6. J.Preston 10.82
7. S.Barnes 10.88
8. O.Agbaji 10.88
9. Y.Pons 10.89
10. M.Abmas 10.90

Max Vertical

1. K.Johnson 48.0
2. J.Sims 44.5
3. Y.Pons 42.5
4. S.Lewis 42.0
5. J.Wieskamp 42.0
6. O.Agbaji 41.5
7. J.Springer 41.5
8. A.Lawson 41.0
9. S.Barnes 39.5
10. Z.Williams 39.5

Three Quarter Sprint

1. S.Lewis 2.98
2. A.Lawson 2.98
3. K.Johnson 3.00
4. D.Nix 3.00
5. D.Johnson 3.03
...
31. S.Barnes 3.15

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[disoblige]

Yeah I think this second game Barnes will put the athleticism issues to rest. Knicks are well coached, even the summer league team. Warriors are gonna be sloppy and easy to get into the break against and we will see more of that athleticism.

Not to mention its hot as hell in Vegas and Scottie was gassed. You gotta remember he is a legit 6'9 230. This is a big boy. Its not like Kuminga who is 6'6 210.

And he doesn't HAVE TO play with athleticism all the time. This is a good sign. He knows when to use it, not to burn himself out.

Barnes is 6'7"

He's not the quickest guy, but he's definitely athletic. His movement reminds me of Kawhi.

Combine Speed & Agility (out of 55 tested)

Shuttle Run

1. G.Brown 2.98
2. S.Barnes 2.99
3. C.Kispert 2.99
4. A.Wiggins 3.00
5. A.Lawson 3.01
6. S.Lewis 3.03
7. Z.Williams 3.04
8. Y.Pons 3.05
9. D.Washington 3.06
10. S.Hauser 3.07

Standing Vertical

1. K.Johnson 41.5
2. J.Sims 37.0
3. S.Barnes 36.0
4. Y.Pons 36.0
5. J.Springer 34.5
6. D.Steward 34.5
7. Z.Williams 34.0
8. S.Lewia 34.0
9. T.Murphy 34.0
10. G.Brown 33.5

Lane Agility

1. S.Lewis 10.45
2. N.Hyland 10.53
3. Z.Williams 10.69
4. J.Wieskamp 10.70
5. M.Wright 10.76
6. J.Preston 10.82
7. S.Barnes 10.88
8. O.Agbaji 10.88
9. Y.Pons 10.89
10. M.Abmas 10.90

Max Vertical

1. K.Johnson 48.0
2. J.Sims 44.5
3. Y.Pons 42.5
4. S.Lewis 42.0
5. J.Wieskamp 42.0
6. O.Agbaji 41.5
7. J.Springer 41.5
8. A.Lawson 41.0
9. S.Barnes 39.5
10. Z.Williams 39.5

Three Quarter Sprint

1. S.Lewis 2.98
2. A.Lawson 2.98
3. K.Johnson 3.00
4. D.Nix 3.00
5. D.Johnson 3.03
...
31. S.Barnes 3.15

In Comparison this is Siakam / Barnes
Standing Vertical Leap:30.5 /36.0
Max Vertical Leap:36.5 / 39.5
Lane Agility Time (sec): 11.25 / 10.88
Shuttle Run (sec) 3.09/ 2.99
Three Quarter Sprint 3.41 / 3.15

[Basketball_Jones]

Suggs is gonna take a season or two until he shoots efficiently. Gonna be some growing pains with his scoring early on

[Gavin_TDThree]

way too early but that putback dunk was nasty....

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[Clutch0z24]

Barnes Vs Suggs game 1s = tie
Barnes Vs Suggs Game 2s = Suggs W

Lets see next game

[T-d0t]

I liked that Barnes showed he could get to the line and he probably would have had more trips. Obviously needs to work on making his FTs

[navyblue]

Barnes is 6'7"

He's not the quickest guy, but he's definitely athletic. His movement reminds me of Kawhi.

Combine Speed & Agility (out of 55 tested)

Shuttle Run

1. G.Brown 2.98
2. S.Barnes 2.99
3. C.Kispert 2.99
4. A.Wiggins 3.00
5. A.Lawson 3.01
6. S.Lewis 3.03
7. Z.Williams 3.04
8. Y.Pons 3.05
9. D.Washington 3.06
10. S.Hauser 3.07

Standing Vertical

1. K.Johnson 41.5
2. J.Sims 37.0
3. S.Barnes 36.0
4. Y.Pons 36.0
5. J.Springer 34.5
6. D.Steward 34.5
7. Z.Williams 34.0
8. S.Lewia 34.0
9. T.Murphy 34.0
10. G.Brown 33.5

Lane Agility

1. S.Lewis 10.45
2. N.Hyland 10.53
3. Z.Williams 10.69
4. J.Wieskamp 10.70
5. M.Wright 10.76
6. J.Preston 10.82
7. S.Barnes 10.88
8. O.Agbaji 10.88
9. Y.Pons 10.89
10. M.Abmas 10.90

Max Vertical

1. K.Johnson 48.0
2. J.Sims 44.5
3. Y.Pons 42.5
4. S.Lewis 42.0
5. J.Wieskamp 42.0
6. O.Agbaji 41.5
7. J.Springer 41.5
8. A.Lawson 41.0
9. S.Barnes 39.5
10. Z.Williams 39.5

Three Quarter Sprint

1. S.Lewis 2.98
2. A.Lawson 2.98
3. K.Johnson 3.00
4. D.Nix 3.00
5. D.Johnson 3.03
...
31. S.Barnes 3.15

In Comparison this is Siakam / Barnes
Standing Vertical Leap:30.5 /36.0
Max Vertical Leap:36.5 / 39.5
Lane Agility Time (sec): 11.25 / 10.88
Shuttle Run (sec) 3.09/ 2.99
Three Quarter Sprint 3.41 / 3.15

Must be about something the way Barnes moves that he doesn't look fluid/fast. Pascal has that typical sprinters motion and looks faster than he is.

[dc]

Must be about something the way Barnes moves that he doesn't look fluid/fast. Pascal has that typical sprinters motion and looks faster than he is.

Combine numbers don't necessarily translate to basketball athleticism.

Tyler Hasnbrough's athletic measurements compared well to Blake Griffin back in 2009, but on the court, prime Blake displayed a lot more basketball athleticism.

[Pointgod]

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So much for being unathletic. For all the skills and tools that Jalen Suggs has, his motor is crazy which is what makes him special.

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So much for being unathletic. For all the skills and tools that Jalen Suggs has, his motor is crazy which is what makes him special.

He looked like this in college too. I have no idea where the narrative came from that he was unathletic. His haters were propagating it all over the draft threads. Either they didn't watch a single college game of his or they were lying to themselves.

[WaltFrazier]

I never said I didn't like barnes.. He looks great, his IQ looks off the charts (making Draymond-like passes in the mid post) which is not really coachable whereas shooting and ball handling he can get better over time. If he can become a decent shooter and tighten up his handling I think he will be an all star level player

My biggest worry for Barnes is his Athleticism. Hes not marc gasol but he's also not Kawhi/OG (or even Draymond) level so I dont think he will be the next Scottie Pippen as some people have predicted. He will rely more on length and position which is fine.

I just see Suggs as a generational talent. He has solid IQ with underrated athleticism and incredible passion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Did you even see his combine? He jumps and move faster than pascal.

Mockdrafts had sugg mid 1st pick early in College season.

Yeah I think this second game Barnes will put the athleticism issues to rest. Knicks are well coached, even the summer league team. Warriors are gonna be sloppy and easy to get into the break against and we will see more of that athleticism.

Not to mention its hot as hell in Vegas and Scottie was gassed. You gotta remember he is a legit 6'9 230. This is a big boy. Its not like Kuminga who is 6'6 210.

And he doesn't HAVE TO play with athleticism all the time. This is a good sign. He knows when to use it, not to burn himself out.

I think the athleticism looked worse in game 2. He made a bunch of decent moves to the rim but failed to dunk, missed bunnies. Yes he drew some fouls but a young 6'9 guy, i wanna see him power through and dunk some of those. If he lacks explosion that's disappointing.

[Pointgod]

Did you even see his combine? He jumps and move faster than pascal.

Mockdrafts had sugg mid 1st pick early in College season.

Yeah I think this second game Barnes will put the athleticism issues to rest. Knicks are well coached, even the summer league team. Warriors are gonna be sloppy and easy to get into the break against and we will see more of that athleticism.

Not to mention its hot as hell in Vegas and Scottie was gassed. You gotta remember he is a legit 6'9 230. This is a big boy. Its not like Kuminga who is 6'6 210.

And he doesn't HAVE TO play with athleticism all the time. This is a good sign. He knows when to use it, not to burn himself out.

I think the athleticism looked worse in game 2. He made a bunch of decent moves to the rim but failed to dunk, missed bunnies. Yes he drew some fouls but a young 6'9 guy, i wanna see him power through and dunk some of those. If he lacks explosion that's disappointing.

Is Barnes 6’7 or 6’9? I keep seeing different heights posted on Realgm. Either way I don’t see him being a lead ball handler unless he works on his outside shot. I can easily see defenses sagging off him and collapsing as he drives into the lane. He didn’t move that quickly this game but maybe he’s just tired.

[Clutch0z24]

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Just after watching the way he moves/shot is smooth/athletism/playmaking im still kinda feeling we f'd up here but we shall see i hope im wrong but gut telling me im not