Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread

Scoonie · Post #1081 » by **Scoonie** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:44 pm

cloverleaf wrote:The Jays wanted a new coach and they sure got one. The fresh air of truth is bracing and refreshing:

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Move the ball and share the ball. If we do that, we will be much improved.

La Flame · Post #1082 » by **La Flame** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:23 pm

Scoonie wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:The Jays wanted a new coach and they sure got one. The fresh air of truth is bracing and refreshing:

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Move the ball and share the ball. If we do that, we will be much improved.

I'm really liking our new coach so far

24istheLAW · Post #1083 » by **24istheLAW** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:51 pm

For me the biggest question of the offseason was whether or not they can deepen the team.

IN: Horford, Schroder, Richardson, Kanter, Fernando, Dunn (expected to be replaced)
OUT: Walker, Fournier, Thompson

With that, plus one of Langford and Nesmith hopefully coming good as a NBA rotation guy, the number of NBA players on the roster appears to have gone up.

cloverleaf · Post #1084 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:11 pm

24istheLAW wrote:For me the biggest question of the offseason was whether or not they can deepen the team.

IN: Horford, Schroder, Richardson, Kanter, Fernando, Dunn (expected to be replaced)
OUT: Walker, Fournier, Thompson

With that, plus one of Langford and Nesmith hopefully coming good as a NBA rotation guy, the number of NBA players on the roster appears to have gone up.

At least as important, and likely even more so IMO, is how much Ime can get through to the Jays and, if he's here, Smart, to better play their roles.

moonie_mcgee · Post #1085 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:10 am

24istheLAW wrote:For me the biggest question of the offseason was whether or not they can deepen the team.

IN: Horford, Schroder, Richardson, Kanter, Fernando, Dunn (expected to be replaced)
OUT: Walker, Fournier, Thompson

With that, plus one of Langford and Nesmith hopefully coming good as a NBA rotation guy, the number of NBA players on the roster appears to have gone up.

Definitely deeper, stronger, more balanced. I'd extend Smart for the right contract and then see what happens at the deadline. I'd even keep Dunn for depth and insurance, and may even surprise us. I'd like to move Carson and get one more upgrade from him and let it roll. I want JB and JT to defend their arses off like every one else should but I also want them on the floor together and scoring big numbers. JT 30+ and JB 25+. No more strategy of having one sit and one play. Will it happen. Yes of course. But not as a main thing. Play them together like other great teams do. And if they dontvplay well together then there you go. Fix it.

Hal14 · Post #1086 » by **Hal14** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:19 am

cloverleaf wrote:The Jays wanted a new coach and they sure got one. The fresh air of truth is bracing and refreshing:

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This guy is the perfect coach for this team.

moonie_mcgee · Post #1087 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:22 am

cloverleaf wrote:
24istheLAW wrote:For me the biggest question of the offseason was whether or not they can deepen the team.

IN: Horford, Schroder, Richardson, Kanter, Fernando, Dunn (expected to be replaced)
OUT: Walker, Fournier, Thompson

With that, plus one of Langford and Nesmith hopefully coming good as a NBA rotation guy, the number of NBA players on the roster appears to have gone up.

At least as important, and likely even more so IMO, is how much Ime can get through to the Jays and, if he's here, Smart, to better play their roles.

This is the year without Santa clause err I mean excuses. The team is set to compete. The players not buying in should be looked at more carefully and you have to ask why. Last years **** show can not happen again. Fans are back in the seats paying big bucks. It's payback time for all those miserable losses last year. Compete for 48 minutes a night or until the opposition gives up. That's what's the Celtic greats did. Remember what Bird said,
It's not over until the other guys give up. That's how you gear up for the playoffs. Sitting out the last 10 minutes of the 4th!!!

batabatuta · Post #1088 » by **batabatuta** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:22 am

We are probably going to be the best passing team in the NBA this season. If, probably then second-best.

That's almost a surety with Udoka.

moonie_mcgee · Post #1089 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:36 am

greenroom31 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
I think Smart is a better all around player, but I see Shroeder better suited to be a starting level PG. I would rather Smart return to his 6th man role.

I'm pretty sure Smart wouldn't be too happy with that.

Smart has spent most of his career in a hybrid bench/starter role... he can deal with it. Also, I see no reason why we would start Schroder and Smart, or at least close with the two of them at times. So long as Smart has a legit role and ~30 mpg I can't see him being a jerk... and if he is, time to trade him.

I have no problem starting Schroder and Smart. The opposition won't like it. Looking at you Bucks and Nets.
Have Pritch, Richardson, Dunn, and Madr off the bench. Then have Nesmith Langford Hayes and Bruno backing up JT and JB.

greenroom31 · Post #1090 » by **greenroom31** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:28 pm

moonie_mcgee wrote:
greenroom31 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
I'm pretty sure Smart wouldn't be too happy with that.

Smart has spent most of his career in a hybrid bench/starter role... he can deal with it. Also, I see no reason why we would start Schroder and Smart, or at least close with the two of them at times. So long as Smart has a legit role and ~30 mpg I can't see him being a jerk... and if he is, time to trade him.

I have no problem starting Schroder and Smart. The opposition won't like it. Looking at you Bucks and Nets.
Have Pritch, Richardson, Dunn, and Madr off the bench. Then have Nesmith Langford Hayes and Bruno backing up JT and JB.

Was a typo on my part -- I meant to type "I see no reason why we WOUDLN'T start..."

Hopefully that clarification makes my post more coherent. Will go edit it to correct.

cloverleaf · Post #1091 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:42 pm

batabatuta wrote:We are probably going to be the best passing team in the NBA this season. If, probably then second-best.

That's almost a surety with Udoka.

With the Jays?!?

zoyathedestroya · Post #1092 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:18 pm

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Post #1093 » by **Parliament10** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:37 pm

They forgot Bruno Fernando.
And Sam Hauser, as a Two-Way.

Brett43 · Post #1094 » by **Brett43** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:55 pm

As Smart ponders his future, he should take a look at his new teammate Dennis Schroeder, who turned down a four year, $84 million extension, and is now making "just" $5.9 M this year. Smarts offer is $17M per year times 4, which is $68 million dollars over the next four years. That's a lot of money.

Post #1095 » by **Shak_Celts** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:13 pm

Brett43 wrote:As Smart ponders his future, he should take a look at his new teammate Dennis Schroeder, who turned down a four year, $84 million extension, and is now making "just" $5.9 M this year. Smarts offer is $17M per year times 4, which is $68 million dollars over the next four years. That's a lot of money.

shroder didn't just make a mistake that way, his team didn't see how many pg/guards were out for contracts. smart won't have to fight as many people for money this offseason, he'll be one of the top REALISTIC FA.

moonie_mcgee · Post #1096 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:40 am

greenroom31 wrote:
moonie_mcgee wrote:
greenroom31 wrote:
Smart has spent most of his career in a hybrid bench/starter role... he can deal with it. Also, I see no reason why we would start Schroder and Smart, or at least close with the two of them at times. So long as Smart has a legit role and ~30 mpg I can't see him being a jerk... and if he is, time to trade him.

I have no problem starting Schroder and Smart. The opposition won't like it. Looking at you Bucks and Nets.
Have Pritch, Richardson, Dunn, and Madr off the bench. Then have Nesmith Langford Hayes and Bruno backing up JT and JB.

Was a typo on my part -- I meant to type "I see no reason why we WOUDLN'T start..."

Hopefully that clarification makes my post more coherent. Will go edit it to correct.

Haha-Not on my account greenroom.
I just hope the backcourt will be an open competition.
And the best configuration is selected.

moonie_mcgee · Post #1097 » by **moonie_mcgee** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:53 am

Parliament10 wrote:

They forgot Bruno Fernando.
And Sam Hauser, as a Two-Way.

Nice graphic parl.
Thanks for posting it.

Not my depth chart config but it's going to be fluid for quite some time. Bruno and Hayes could be key additions. We'll need more strength than shown above. I hope we have a deep roster so everyone can play hard while their in the game. But not seemingly random as Stevens did it.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #1098 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:08 am

cloverleaf wrote:
batabatuta wrote:We are probably going to be the best passing team in the NBA this season. If, probably then second-best.

That's almost a surety with Udoka.

With the Jays?!?

Am I the only one who thinks both Tatum and Brown are very willing and capable passers, yet have little shooting/scoring talent around them to do so? I mean.. I'm pretty sure you could add like 100 assists each if guys like Semi Ojeleye, Kemba and Grant Williams made open buckets or if Tristan and Teague didn't miss 100 lay ups a game.

Tatum played with a lot of trash in that Brooklyn series but still had 5-7 assists in most games..

Post #1099 » by **darrendaye** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:29 am

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
batabatuta wrote:We are probably going to be the best passing team in the NBA this season. If, probably then second-best.

That's almost a surety with Udoka.

With the Jays?!?

Am I the only one who thinks both Tatum and Brown are very willing and capable passers, yet have little shooting/scoring talent around them to do so? I mean.. I'm pretty sure you could add like 100 assists each if guys like Semi Ojeleye, Kemba and Grant Williams made open buckets or if Tristan and Teague didn't miss 100 lay ups a game.

Tatum played with a lot of trash in that Brooklyn series but still had 5-7 assists in most games..

I think it's less about general unwillingness to pass and more about instilling more of a pass and move mindset over isolation drives and kick out/dump off.

hugepatsfan · Post #1100 » by **hugepatsfan** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:40 am

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
batabatuta wrote:We are probably going to be the best passing team in the NBA this season. If, probably then second-best.

That's almost a surety with Udoka.

With the Jays?!?

Am I the only one who thinks both Tatum and Brown are very willing and capable passers, yet have little shooting/scoring talent around them to do so? I mean.. I'm pretty sure you could add like 100 assists each if guys like Semi Ojeleye, Kemba and Grant Williams made open buckets or if Tristan and Teague didn't miss 100 lay ups a game.

Tatum played with a lot of trash in that Brooklyn series but still had 5-7 assists in most games..

I think they're plenty wiling to pass. I don't view either as any sort of "ball hog". But just being brutally honest, I don't think either of them really play-make for others at a high level. I don't mean this as some huge slight either. In general I think fans always think of passing/playmaking as more of a will vs a skill. It's both though. I don't think either of them are tight enough with their handle right now to excel at it. Without a tight handle you've got to divert your focus a bit just to concentrate on not turning the ball over or getting it swiped. The basket is a stationary target so it's easier to be focusing on your handle/footwork and still be able to get there compared to passing/playmaking where you're trying to read moving defenders and teammates.