MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.4 - Beasley Time

Post #1581 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:36 am

Wiltside wrote:My gut says we'll start the season with:

Lowry / Vincent / Jarraeu (2-way) / Oladipo (inj)
Robinson / Herro / Garrett (2-way)
Butler / Strus
Morris / Tucker / Okpala
Adebayo / Dedmon / Yurtseven / Haslem

We often carry a roster spot, so could see this being the way we go initially. Starting Morris gives us a bigger frontcourt to begin the game, and he can play the Meyers role. Tucker will get the lions share of the minutes at PF though given Spo's fetish for small ball, with Bam playing mostly still at the 5. Dedmon will get his spot minutes of 10-15 a night.

Starting Morris makes a lot of sense too if Spo is skittish about starting Yurt. Tucker coming off the bench makes the most sense cause that second unit needs defensive help coming from the wing spot when Butler sits.

wade44 · Post #1582 » by **wade44** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:52 am

Hope Spo doesn't hide Yurt on the bench, but I know it's inevitable. He's way too into his small ball lineup idiocies w/ Bam at center

HeatIn5 · Post #1583 » by **HeatIn5** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:56 am

We need a wing that can handle the ball a little bit so bad. I love strus and expect him to leap, but we need a complimentary player from him for when his schtick doesn't work

A James Ennis type TBH

Post #1584 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:02 am

HerroBalls wrote:We need a wing that can handle the ball a little bit so bad. I love strus and expect him to leap, but we need a complimentary player from him for when his schtick doesn't work

A James Ennis type TBH

The ship has sailed on signing anymore free agents. Our ball handling wing as of today is going to be SG/SF Marcus Garrett until Dipo gets back.

Post #1585 » by **Wiltside** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:03 am

HerroBalls wrote:We need a wing that can handle the ball a little bit so bad. I love strus and expect him to leap, but we need a complimentary player from him for when his schtick doesn't work

A James Ennis type TBH

Ennis handle ain't all that though HB. He does fill a role as a 3&D wing though, so on that front I'd take him as injury insurance.

Strus J is legit though. The kid can shoot the rock, and has more off the dribble game than a guy with his name and frame ought to :lol:

Post #1586 » by **DayofMourning** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:09 am

Wiltside wrote:
HerroBalls wrote:We need a wing that can handle the ball a little bit so bad. I love strus and expect him to leap, but we need a complimentary player from him for when his schtick doesn't work

A James Ennis type TBH

Ennis handle ain't all that though HB. He does fill a role as a 3&D wing though, so on that front I'd take him as injury insurance.

Strus J is legit though. The kid can shoot the rock, and has more off the dribble game than a guy with his name and frame ought to

Strus has really risen to the challenge. He's got the right mindset. That three for the win was ballsy.

TroubleS0me · Post #1587 » by **TroubleS0me** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:15 am

we missing something. We need another scorer to be true contenders.

Bishop45 · Post #1588 » by **Bishop45** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:25 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
HerroBalls wrote:We need a wing that can handle the ball a little bit so bad. I love strus and expect him to leap, but we need a complimentary player from him for when his schtick doesn't work

A James Ennis type TBH

The ship has sailed on signing anymore free agents. Our ball handling wing as of today is going to be SG/SF Marcus Garrett until Dipo gets back.

Wonder if the door might still be open on Herro for Sexton type of deal-- he lookin' mighty lonely as one of the few starting free agents from that class to not get an extension call yet

Post #1589 » by **DayofMourning** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:31 am

Bishop45 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
HerroBalls wrote:We need a wing that can handle the ball a little bit so bad. I love strus and expect him to leap, but we need a complimentary player from him for when his schtick doesn't work

A James Ennis type TBH

The ship has sailed on signing anymore free agents. Our ball handling wing as of today is going to be SG/SF Marcus Garrett until Dipo gets back.

Wonder if the door might still be open on Herro for Sexton type of deal-- he lookin' mighty lonely as one of the few starting free agents from that class to not get an extension call yet

Sexton backing up Lowry sounds good for one season. Then comes the big bag. The price tag. The $60 million commitment to our PG platoon. Woy woy woy!

twix2500 · Post #1590 » by **twix2500** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:34 am

Bishop45 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
HerroBalls wrote:We need a wing that can handle the ball a little bit so bad. I love strus and expect him to leap, but we need a complimentary player from him for when his schtick doesn't work

A James Ennis type TBH

The ship has sailed on signing anymore free agents. Our ball handling wing as of today is going to be SG/SF Marcus Garrett until Dipo gets back.

Wonder if the door might still be open on Herro for Sexton type of deal-- he lookin' mighty lonely as one of the few starting free agents from that class to not get an extension call yet

I think that door is closed because of the salary situation. Herro is here for the long run or for at least the next two seasons.

shanedude · Post #1591 » by **shanedude** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:05 am

Spo will only play Yurt if he doesn't get torched defensively. Otherwise there's no reason Spo doesn't give him minutes or even start him next to Bam (Eventually). He's proven he can start two bigs with Bam and Myers. We all know Spo will love to play his Tucker small ball 4, but we should really see where the league is trending and put some size on the floor. And please for the love of GOD no more 3 guard sets.

Post #1592 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:15 am

shanedude wrote:Spo will only play Yurt if he doesn't get torched defensively. Otherwise there's no reason Spo doesn't give him minutes or even start him next to Bam (Eventually). He's proven he can start two bigs with Bam and Myers. We all know Spo will love to play his Tucker small ball 4, but we should really see where the league is trending and put some size on the floor. And please for the love of GOD no more 3 guard sets.

Riley kinda forcing Spo to play big with the front court depth. We will certainly see Tucker at the 4 but having 6’5 245 Tucker is a lot bigger then having rail thin Iguodala and Ariza fighting for position down low. Tucker is the same height and weight when Charles Barkey was dominating at the 4 during the big man era. PJ also has close to a 6’11 wingspan that also helps greatly.

Bishop45 · Post #1593 » by **Bishop45** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:16 am

DayofMourning wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:The ship has sailed on signing anymore free agents. Our ball handling wing as of today is going to be SG/SF Marcus Garrett until Dipo gets back.

Wonder if the door might still be open on Herro for Sexton type of deal-- he lookin' mighty lonely as one of the few starting free agents from that class to not get an extension call yet

Sexton backing up Lowry sounds good for one season. Then comes the big bag. The price tag. The $60 million commitment to our PG platoon. Woy woy woy!

Lowrys contract's going to be woy either way, midas whale get a young starter too

Post #1594 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:18 am

My main concern is Herro and ball handling backup PG duties. I really would have preferred another pure PG behind Lowry even with Butler playing point forward.

SoFlaKingReal · Post #1595 » by **SoFlaKingReal** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:55 am

Heat_Down_Under wrote:If the lakers sign Thomas I’m going to be pissed. They will have a PG rotation of Westbrook, nunn and Thomas. Like we couldn’t sign Thomas with UD money and a little more if needed, to complete our PG rotation till dipo returns

IT might be able to help in the regular season as a depth ball handler. However, he is basically unplayable in the playoffs. He is targeted every play on defense because of his size.

HeatIn5 · Post #1596 » by **HeatIn5** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:59 am

TroubleS0me wrote:we missing something. We need another scorer to be true contenders.

Stroos

Post #1597 » by **Wiltside** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:06 am

SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Heat_Down_Under wrote:If the lakers sign Thomas I’m going to be pissed. They will have a PG rotation of Westbrook, nunn and Thomas. Like we couldn’t sign Thomas with UD money and a little more if needed, to complete our PG rotation till dipo returns

IT might be able to help in the regular season as a depth ball handler. However, he is basically unplayable in the playoffs. He is targeted every play on defense because of his size.

Tbh we pretty much only need him for the regular season. Hopefully by playoffs we have Dipo back and healthy for backup G minutes.

Heat_Down_Under · Post #1598 » by **Heat_Down_Under** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:11 am

Wiltside wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Heat_Down_Under wrote:If the lakers sign Thomas I’m going to be pissed. They will have a PG rotation of Westbrook, nunn and Thomas. Like we couldn’t sign Thomas with UD money and a little more if needed, to complete our PG rotation till dipo returns

IT might be able to help in the regular season as a depth ball handler. However, he is basically unplayable in the playoffs. He is targeted every play on defense because of his size.

Tbh we pretty much only need him for the regular season. Hopefully by playoffs we have Dipo back and healthy for backup G minutes.

Thanks Wiltside.. SOflakingReal hence why I said till dipo returns…

SoFlaKingReal · Post #1599 » by **SoFlaKingReal** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:13 am

Heat_Down_Under wrote:
Wiltside wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:
IT might be able to help in the regular season as a depth ball handler. However, he is basically unplayable in the playoffs. He is targeted every play on defense because of his size.

Tbh we pretty much only need him for the regular season. Hopefully by playoffs we have Dipo back and healthy for backup G minutes.

Thanks Wiltside.. SOflakingReal hence why I said till dipo returns…

lol my bad...guess I didn't get to the end of your post. You said you'd be pissed if the Lakers signed IT, thats all I was dismissing.

gom · Post #1600 » by **gom** » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:41 am

I fully expect Herro to get more minutes, especially with the team needing to preserve Lowry for postseason run and Dipo being out. Herro was 18/6/4 per 36 last season and played 30 minutes a game. That should improve with better percentages (.50/.40/.80 seem reasonable and would get him to 20/6/4). Get him 6 minutes more a game and he is 24/7/5. Yeah, I know that's not how it works. More minutes means a player is generally more tired and efficiency suffers.

Still Lowry/Herro/Butler/Duncan/Bam are a pretty good starting 5. Tucker/Strus/Morris/Dedmon off the bench. Dedmon can play 5 or 4. Okpala, Vincent, and Yurtseven can fight for minutes. Oladipo can hang out until next season. He might be ready for the postseason even, but there is no need to rush.