Summer League Thread Part 4: Aug 14th Charlotte @7pm TSN2

[WuTang_CMB]

I want to sit down with Masai, order a couple beers and have him explain that pick to me. Because I don’t understand it. There must be something that happened behind the scenes that we don’t know about.

They banking on his upside. Thats it

[Anticon]

I want to sit down with Masai, order a couple beers and have him explain that pick to me. Because I don’t understand it. There must be something that happened behind the scenes that we don’t know about.

You not understanding the pick, doesn’t make it the wrong pick.

You also thinking its a bad pick is not great rationale if it’s based on SL play. Our scouts are pretty good at their job and projecting what players will be down the road based on whatever criteria they use.

You saying you don’t understand the pick assumes you know what a 19 year old Scottie Barnes will be when he’s 24-25 over the front office who has pretty good credibility. I don’t think you can draw that conclusion tbh.

Frankly the history of Raptors picks suggests the opposite. The guys people didn't understand -Villanueva, Hoffa, etc. - were because they weren't obviously the best players available. When we picked that way - like DeRozan - people were excited and got what management was doing.

Barnes looks fine to me. But he was not clearly the obvious player and its wishful thinking to assume he will become that.

Management drafted him because they are more focused on the physical profile of guys than their actual play. That to me is a fine choice later in the draft but a real risk early. So I don't think they've earned deferrence on their criteria.

[dTox]

Ehh he was fine. Top 15 player.

Not sure if you’re trolling or not lol.

He was easily a top 5 player when he was healthy for those 5 years.

When I think of Wade one of the first things that pop into my mind are all those god awful heat teams he played for after Shaq was washed. More so than the actual championship in 06.

The best he was by himself was 1st round fodder. I don’t care if he padded his stats on some **** ty teams. He finished pretty high up in mvp voting the year before Lebron joined but like I said he didn’t move the needle as a solo act (when it came to actually contending for a championship).

Can you name the starting lineup that Wade played next to during those post Shaq years? He was legitimate top 5 players in his prime, and was dominant. It's unfortunate he played with a horrible roster before LeBron arrived. But then again, that was Riley's plan (to tank and rid of big contracts so they can sign LBJ).

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[RaptorReloaded]

The game completely changes when he has the ball in his hands and I think that’s what worries me the most about his future development. He’s unselfish with the ball, which is good but we really, really need to iron out his offensive game in the half court.

He showed flashes of greatness however. That fade away jumper, going coast to coast to get fouled at the rim and corner 3 were all promising. Plus he made Kuminga look pinch compared to him in stature. His physical profile is elite but he’s going to be a project so we really need to temper expectations. Which sucks for people who want to see instant results and stardom from this pick.

I just hope we develop him properly and from watching the past two games he seems most effective with the ball in his hands. We need to put it there and F off with these summer league scrubs running the offence.

[Mikistan]

I can't believe the amount of people complaining on this message board... Writing paragraph after paragraph of Barnes being the wrong pick.
It's done we can't go back and change the pick, stop shouting into the void and get over it

[Clay Davis]

Barnes doesn't suck but at #4 he shouldn't have been picked. He looks like a raw talent who came off the bench as a freshman. Which he is.

Name me one other player who did this and was successful. I know Marvin Williams and Corey maggette did, but they never lived up to potential.

Devin Booker came off the bench

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Whelp. There goes his whole argument. Lmao.

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Lol you'd think... other people pointed it out too and he just changed his argument.

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[MavCarter]

There's that video of Masai and gang celebrating when they picked Coboclo. When they picked Barnes, there was the same sort of celebration, and something about it brought me back. I'm worried we'll be arguing about how many years it's going to take for Barnes to reach his potential. Debating it for years while time roles by.

This bruno comparison is so **** stupid. This kid was a 5 star recruit/Mcdonalds all american/Team usa member not an unkown who started playing basketball 2 years ago ala bruno. At the same age hes more advanced than OG and Pascal but for some reason people are comparing him to bruno

[Dennis 37]

Just because someone is a project & raw doesn't mean they don't deserve to go high. Players are usually ranked on their perceived potential

If Barnes hits, you basically got a player who is the exact archetype of the future. 6'9 playmaker that can cover all positions. That's why he went #4.

Guys like Suggs, Sengun, Jalen Johnson, Bouknight etc WILL look better than Scottie on most nights this season

Save yourself the headache and don't meltdown when Barnes has an unproductive night while some other rookie just popped off for 20.

usually you go for a more sure player at #4 esp if they are more ready players

If both were the same size, sure, but smaller players are easier to find than players of Barnes size with his skill set and potential. Normally top five picks are going to franchises starting over who need the "ready to play" player to start building around for the future. We are not staring to build; we are adding to a solid core and don't have to rely on Barnes to shine right away for the purpose of giving fans hope or selling tickets.

[traps#10]

Bipolar board lol after the first game he was deemed to be HOF material, now after the second game he’s the wrong pick?

[Shy Gorgeous-Al]

Good things will happen once the franchise trustsin his ability to consistently handle the ball and run plays for him on the ball. This will take some time, or may never happen. But nothing good will happen to him or the team if he will continue to park in the corners, and to be honest, I don't see that changing any time soon.

The issue with him is that he is a good, but not great defender. He needs to be excellent on the perimeter because he is not much of a shot blocker. Some users pointed out that his lateral quickness is surprisingly lacking, so if that proves to be true, that will obviously hurt his profile because like I said he is not much of an inside presence and most of his value and impact right now comes from hustle plays, reading the offense, playing the passing lanes and having a strong and long body.

Obviously it's going to be a long journey for him to find his niche within an NBA team and finds the things he can excel at, but he has a lot of tools to work with so fans need to be patient.

[Mikistan]

Bipolar board lol after the first game he was deemed to be HOF material, now after the second game he’s the wrong pick?

There were over 180 votes cast in the other thread - this board has a ton of traffic right now there is a high chance that the people posting happy thoughts after game one are not the same people posting sky is falling posts after game two.

[Sandman88]

Disappointing follow up game from Malachi. Hopefully he can be more consistent

[grimlock]

Disappointing follow up game from Malachi. Hopefully he can be more consistent

Malachi just taking over and playing like this is his audition for something. Was expecting a little less selfishness from him considering there are 12-13 other people vying to make the team

[Mikistan]

Disappointing follow up game from Malachi. Hopefully he can be more consistent

Malachi just taking over and playing like this is his audition for something. Was expecting a little less selfishness from him considering there are 12-13 other people vying to make the team

To be fair summer league is always ripe with guards who chuck

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Bipolar board lol after the first game he was deemed to be HOF material, now after the second game he’s the wrong pick?

There were over 180 votes cast in the other thread - this board has a ton of traffic right now there is a high chance that the people posting happy thoughts after game one are not the same people posting sky is falling posts after game two.

unless you're NotMyKawhi

- its probably just a handful of posters who are bipolar though like what Mikistan said.
- those detractors come out full force once a game like this happens - shoots poorly or shown up by a player drafted after him.

[Tha Cynic]

I missed the game. Worth watching? How did Moody look? I've read some comments alluding to Flynn not facilitating ball movement. That was my take away from the NYK SL game. I want to see him as a distributor more.

You don't need summer league for that. If you watched the Raptors at all last season, you could see that he's got a great feel as a PG, and that's what people have gotten. So hyped up about.

It looks like he's using this summer league to try some of the offensive moves he has been practicing.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

you should see the Magic board - they are laughing at this forum for being ripe with dissent and having a mental disorder for comparing Suggs and Barnes.

[Young_Buc]

Devin Booker came off the bench

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Whelp. There goes his whole argument. Lmao.

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Lol you'd think... other people pointed it out too and he just changed his argument.

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It was actually a question not an argument and I don't change things to sound right on a sports message board, that's incredibly weird. But whatever makes you feel good *shrug*

[Young_Buc]

Brush up on your history. Plenty of players had subpar freshman seasons and went on to have great College or NBA careers.

Example: Russell Westbrook as a freshman averaged 3.4ppg, 0.8rpg and 0.7apg. Even as a sophmore his stats weren't great...averaged 12.7ppg, 4rpg and 4apg (almost the same stats as Barnes as a freshman).

Westbrook was a great NBA player almost from the jump.

Current example: Donovan Mitchell averaged 7.4ppg, 3.4rpg and 1apg as a freshman.

Tons of more examples if you actually look.

You know there is a reason that the heavy majority scouts predicted Barnes as a consensus top 6 pick.

Maybe I should have been more specific. I mean 6th man freshmen taken in the lottery. Like Williams was or maggette or Patrick Williams (I think?) It doesn't happen often. If you're a top 5 player in the draft, usually you're a college star, let alone starter.

In other words. "I was proven wrong, let me change my question's parameters to fit my narrative even better"

Bro there has been plenty of freshman bench players drafted high. You are wrong accept it

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No I won't accept it! An internet message boards approval means everything to me!

How old are some of you? It's COMMON BASKETBALL KNOWLEDGE that nearly EVERY FRESHMAN came off the bench prior to the year 2000. (Unless you were some wunderkind like Allen Iverson or Felipe Lopez) It's why the fab 5 was such a huge deal. I'm obviously NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

Or maybe you misunderstood as well. Devin Booker is a good example. Thank you for anyone who answered appropriately. Lol.

[anotherhomer]

The issue with him is that he is a good, but not great defender. He needs to be excellent on the perimeter because he is not much of a shot blocker. Some users pointed out that his lateral quickness is surprisingly lacking, so if that proves to be true, that will obviously hurt his profile because like I said he is not much of an inside presence and most of his value and impact right now comes from hustle plays, reading the offense, playing the passing lanes and having a strong and long body.

Obviously it's going to be a long journey for him to find his niche within an NBA team and finds the things he can excel at, but he has a lot of tools to work with so fans need to be patient.

a well-respected reporter told me that OG has better lateral and hip flex quickness than Barnes
i was surprised to hear that
he also mention Pascal is sprintier than Barnes.

serious risk Raps took in selecting Barnes