****Summer League 2021*****

[clyde21]

Jalen Johnson is an absolute freak on the boards, he's gonna be a double double machine in the NBA, maybe a trip dub machine too if a coach allows to grab those boards and run with it

he's not Simmons fast in the open court tho so he's not gonna put that kinda pressure on defenses, but obviously shooting/scoring game infinitely more sophisticated at this point.

really impressed w/ Travis Schlenk tho, grabbing these guys where they did, Onyeka last year, Hunter the year before, dude really knows what's hes doing.

[Marcus]

Jalen Johnson is an absolute freak on the boards, he's gonna be a double double machine in the NBA, maybe a trip dub machine too if a coach allows to grab those boards and run with it

he's not Simmons fast in the open court tho so he's not gonna put that kinda pressure on defenses, but obviously shooting/scoring game infinitely more sophisticated at this point.

really impressed w/ Travis Schlenk tho, grabbing these guys where they did, Onyeka last year, Hunter the year before, dude really knows what's hes doing.

Even with Trae you can see he's executing a blueprint of what he wants systematically. I'm loving it. He's mirroring his own lineups.

If JJ stays focused he's going to give the Hawks a really scary element going forward.

Question sir, are you seeing Collins playing out this new contract in a Hawks jersey?

[Duke4life831]

Kuminga’s potential just slaps you in the face every time you watch him. He’s got some time to go, but it’s so easy seeing him becoming a two way stud.

[Marcus]

Kuminga’s potential just slaps you in the face every time you watch him. He’s got some time to go, but it’s so easy seeing him becoming a two way stud.

You definitely see the potential everywhere when he's out there. Scary possibilities

[clyde21]

Deuce was a nice pick up for New York...22/7/5 on 7-9 from the field tonight

again goes back to taking a Donovan Mitchell 9th overall or Deuce McBride 36th...just doesn't make any sense.

[jman3134]

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Deuce was a nice pick up for New York...22/7/5 on 7-9 from the field tonight

again goes back to taking a Donovan Mitchell 9th overall or Deuce McBride 36th...just doesn't make any sense.

And the Wagner pick makes even less sense or Giddey where he was selected.

[SOUL]

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Deuce was a nice pick up for New York...22/7/5 on 7-9 from the field tonight

again goes back to taking a Donovan Mitchell 9th overall or Deuce McBride 36th...just doesn't make any sense.

And the Wagner pick makes even less sense or Giddey where he was selected.

What does Deuce have to do with Wagner? Magic don't need 6 guards on the roster.

Wagner has looked solid for the Magic so far and it's a position we can use a two way player at. He needs to be more assertive on offense but he moves well and is solid on D. Three point shot has been off but nothing mechanically wrong with it. If anything, Sengun may be a pick a lot of teams regret.

[jman3134]

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Deuce was a nice pick up for New York...22/7/5 on 7-9 from the field tonight

again goes back to taking a Donovan Mitchell 9th overall or Deuce McBride 36th...just doesn't make any sense.

And the Wagner pick makes even less sense or Giddey where he was selected.

What does Deuce have to do with Wagner? Magic don't need 6 guards on the roster.

Wagner has looked solid for the Magic so far and it's a position we can use a two way player at. He needs to be more assertive on offense but he moves well and is solid on D. Three point shot has been off but nothing mechanically wrong with it. If anything, Sengun may be a pick a lot of teams regret.

I agree with clyde on a lot of this draft class - was trying to hit on a few points where we disagree. It wasn't a direct parallel - these were overdrafted players imo (where you could find similar value late draft [in case of Wagner] or you go for best talent available). Giddey over Kuminga, Wagner over Bouknight, Primo over Sengun. At a certain point, you go best player available.

Originally, I also did not like the Sacramento pick for obvious reasons - it created a logjam at PG when there were other talented players available at positions of need. However, Sacramento was last in the league in defensive efficiency, behind Portland even. While I don't place most of the blame on the shoulders of the Kings' guards, the Mitchell pick was clearly a culture move. A creative coach may be able to utilize all three in small ball lineups, given Fox's size. The summer league/college tape suggests that Mitchell is a game changing presence defensively, which imo is a tier or two ahead of McBride, who is also a good defender and a dynamite pick at 36. Would I have paired those three together? Probably not. But, I see Giddey over Kuminga, Wagner over Bouknight and Primo over Sengun as far more egregious.

As for Wagner, he projects as a role player at best. If you don't want a guard, trade down and go Trey Murphy/Jalen Johnson. Johnson, in particular, has/had a way higher upside profile.

[tiderulz]

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And the Wagner pick makes even less sense or Giddey where he was selected.

What does Deuce have to do with Wagner? Magic don't need 6 guards on the roster.

Wagner has looked solid for the Magic so far and it's a position we can use a two way player at. He needs to be more assertive on offense but he moves well and is solid on D. Three point shot has been off but nothing mechanically wrong with it. If anything, Sengun may be a pick a lot of teams regret.

I agree with clyde on a lot of this draft class - was trying to hit on a few points where we disagree. It wasn't a direct parallel - these were overdrafted players imo (where you could find similar value late draft [in case of Wagner] or you go for best talent available). Giddey over Kuminga, Wagner over Bouknight, Primo over Sengun. At a certain point, you go best player available.

Originally, I also did not like the Sacramento pick for obvious reasons - it created a logjam at PG when there were other talented players available at positions of need. However, Sacramento was last in the league in defensive efficiency, behind Portland even. While I don't place most of the blame on the shoulders of the Kings' guards, the Mitchell pick was clearly a culture move. A creative coach may be able to utilize all three in small ball lineups, given Fox's size. The summer league/college tape suggests that Mitchell is a game changing presence defensively, which imo is a tier or two ahead of McBride, who is also a good defender and a dynamite pick at 36. Would I have paired those three together? Probably not. But, I see Giddey over Kuminga, Wagner over Bouknight and Primo over Sengun as far more egregious.

As for Wagner, he projects as a role player at best. If you don't want a guard, trade down and go Trey Murphy/Jalen Johnson. Johnson, in particular, has/had a way higher upside profile.

we are making these calls after 2 games into SL? cant wait to come back to these threads after the season begins.

[jman3134]

Obviously, my commentary is a post draft reaction based on my predraft evaluations/recent developments. Why would I repeatedly state "imo"? Nothing is definitively known yet.

The entire purpose of this forum is to make calls.

[CP War Hawks]

Jalen Johnson is an absolute freak on the boards, he's gonna be a double double machine in the NBA, maybe a trip dub machine too if a coach allows to grab those boards and run with it

he's not Simmons fast in the open court tho so he's not gonna put that kinda pressure on defenses, but obviously shooting/scoring game infinitely more sophisticated at this point.

really impressed w/ Travis Schlenk tho, grabbing these guys where they did, Onyeka last year, Hunter the year before, dude really knows what's hes doing.

Even with Trae you can see he's executing a blueprint of what he wants systematically. I'm loving it. He's mirroring his own lineups.

If JJ stays focused he's going to give the Hawks a really scary element going forward.

Question sir, are you seeing Collins playing out this new contract in a Hawks jersey?

He should match up against Paul Reed jr. tonight which should be the best litmus test for a summer league game. If he performs well then I can start to believe, not that I don't believe. He's really likable as a prospect.

[Marcus]

Jalen Johnson is an absolute freak on the boards, he's gonna be a double double machine in the NBA, maybe a trip dub machine too if a coach allows to grab those boards and run with it

he's not Simmons fast in the open court tho so he's not gonna put that kinda pressure on defenses, but obviously shooting/scoring game infinitely more sophisticated at this point.

really impressed w/ Travis Schlenk tho, grabbing these guys where they did, Onyeka last year, Hunter the year before, dude really knows what's hes doing.

Even with Trae you can see he's executing a blueprint of what he wants systematically. I'm loving it. He's mirroring his own lineups.

If JJ stays focused he's going to give the Hawks a really scary element going forward.

Question sir, are you seeing Collins playing out this new contract in a Hawks jersey?

He should match up against Paul Reed jr. tonight which should be the best litmus test for a summer league game. If he performs well then I can start to believe, not that I don't believe. He's really likable as a prospect.

Thoughts?

[ROballer]

Jalen Johnson is an absolute freak on the boards, he's gonna be a double double machine in the NBA, maybe a trip dub machine too if a coach allows to grab those boards and run with it

he's not Simmons fast in the open court tho so he's not gonna put that kinda pressure on defenses, but obviously shooting/scoring game infinitely more sophisticated at this point.

really impressed w/ Travis Schlenk tho, grabbing these guys where they did, Onyeka last year, Hunter the year before, dude really knows what's hes doing.

In what year? 2028?

I'm not into this much hoarding of talent on one team. Because involuntarily some of the guys are being left out.

Atlanta right now absolutely have too many chefs in the kitchen when they are all healthy.

Trae/Delon/Lou/Sharife
Bogdanovic/Huerter
De'Andre Hunter/Cam Reddish
Collins/Gallinari/Johnson
Capela/Okongwu/Dieng


Rotations and how they're being used don't even matter. I see 10-11 guys on that team that can be starters for some teams right freaking now. Starters that play 30+ minutes a game that is.


But because they'll be playing on the same team, some of them will crack DNP's, others will see splitting their mins kindergarden style, so nobody starts bitching(and that will only last for so long, okay I'm playing... but 15-20 mins per is not going to cut it).
It's still a 48 mins game, there are only so many minutes to go along for all of them.

Denver had the same problem at one time and they went absolutely nowhere.

[shakes0]

Jalen Johnson is an absolute freak on the boards, he's gonna be a double double machine in the NBA, maybe a trip dub machine too if a coach allows to grab those boards and run with it

he's not Simmons fast in the open court tho so he's not gonna put that kinda pressure on defenses, but obviously shooting/scoring game infinitely more sophisticated at this point.

really impressed w/ Travis Schlenk tho, grabbing these guys where they did, Onyeka last year, Hunter the year before, dude really knows what's hes doing.

In what year? 2028?

I'm not into this much hoarding of talent on one team. Because involuntarily some of the guys are being left out.

Atlanta right now absolutely have too many chefs in the kitchen when they are all healthy.

Trae/Delon/Lou/Sharife
Bogdanovic/Huerter
De'Andre Hunter/Cam Reddish
Collins/Gallinari/Johnson
Capela/Okongwu/Dieng


Rotations and how they're being used don't even matter. I see 10-11 guys on that team that can be starters for some teams right freaking now. Starters that play 30+ minutes a game that is.


But because they'll be playing on the same team, some of them will crack DNP's, others will see splitting their mins kindergarden style, so nobody starts bitching(and that will only last for so long, okay I'm playing... but 15-20 mins per is not going to cut it).
It's still a 48 mins game, there are only so many minutes to go along for all of them.

Denver had the same problem at one time and they went absolutely nowhere.

Hawks were never "all healthy" all of last season and are already without Okongwu until 2022 most likely.

Only players who might be odd men out are the two rookies, but that's not really that uncommon for a contending team. But, between getting runs in the G league and the inevitable injuries that will happen I expect they'll get their playing time one way or the other.

Good problem to have if you ask me.

[GSWFan1994]

I expect a huge jump from Paul Reed in his 2nd year. Hopefully the Sixers know how to use him better.

Jalen Johnson reminds me of a super version of Terrence Jones.

[ROballer]

Jalen Johnson is an absolute freak on the boards, he's gonna be a double double machine in the NBA, maybe a trip dub machine too if a coach allows to grab those boards and run with it

he's not Simmons fast in the open court tho so he's not gonna put that kinda pressure on defenses, but obviously shooting/scoring game infinitely more sophisticated at this point.

really impressed w/ Travis Schlenk tho, grabbing these guys where they did, Onyeka last year, Hunter the year before, dude really knows what's hes doing.

In what year? 2028?

I'm not into this much hoarding of talent on one team. Because involuntarily some of the guys are being left out.

Atlanta right now absolutely have too many chefs in the kitchen when they are all healthy.

Trae/Delon/Lou/Sharife
Bogdanovic/Huerter
De'Andre Hunter/Cam Reddish
Collins/Gallinari/Johnson
Capela/Okongwu/Dieng


Rotations and how they're being used don't even matter. I see 10-11 guys on that team that can be starters for some teams right freaking now. Starters that play 30+ minutes a game that is.


But because they'll be playing on the same team, some of them will crack DNP's, others will see splitting their mins kindergarden style, so nobody starts bitching(and that will only last for so long, okay I'm playing... but 15-20 mins per is not going to cut it).
It's still a 48 mins game, there are only so many minutes to go along for all of them.

Denver had the same problem at one time and they went absolutely nowhere.

Hawks were never "all healthy" all of last season and are already without Okongwu until 2022 most likely.

Only players who might be odd men out are the two rookies, but that's not really that uncommon for a contending team. But, between getting runs in the G league and the inevitable injuries that will happen I expect they'll get their playing time one way or the other.

Good problem to have if you ask me.

Good problem to have until it isn't. As you said, you've never been healthy last year so you didn't have to worry about it.
But you can't begin to bank on injuries to happen as a consistent thing.

I still stand of my view.

Most contenders in this league have a defined hyerarchy, everyone's on board and know what they're getting as a role on that team, And because of that they can function within the team and system because they know who they are and what's expected of them on those teams.

Except the Hawks..

Who tf even starts?
There are so many players relatively close in value, I guarantee you this:

Bogdan thinks he's better than Huerter, Hunter and Reddish.
Huerter thinks he's better than Bogdan, Hunter and Reddish.
Hunter definitely thinks he's better than Bogdan, Huerter and Reddish.
****, even Reddish probably thinks he's better than anyone else.

You can't really cheat to get them more minutes, since at PG you're also stacked, and you can't get em minutes at a small ball 4 either since you got Collins who just signed a big contract, Gallo and Johnson who's a perceived lottery talent who dropped.

You think either one of them is gonna roll with 15-20 mins a game? Thinking they're most likely better than the guy they're backing up? I don't think so.


I think the Warriors are stacked as well, but it's not the same deal. Everybody knows Curry, Klay, Green and their reputation and achievements, Porter, the two lottery rookies etc, won't dare to question their PT because of that.
But it's way harder to not pout when you have a ton of guys of similar value, without the resume.

We shall see what happens. Yes, it's a good problem to have if the injuries continue.
I don't think it's a good problem to have if they don't.

[ROballer]

I expect a huge jump from Paul Reed in his 2nd year. Hopefully the Sixers know how to use him better.

Jalen Johnson reminds me of a super version of Terrence Jones.

Paul Reed is an exceptional player. There's no one on this forum more of homer than I am.

Literally unmatched motor, his production has translated everywhere he went. College, G-League, Summer League and even the NBA, albeit in a very small sample size.


Unfortunately, the Sixers are absolutely clueless. They played Mike Scott who is out of the league now because he **** sucks, despite being a net negative and one of the worst rotation players in the league.. just because he's a vet and Reed was a rookie, and Doc the genius Rivers doesn't play rookies if Covid doesn't decimate his team.

And they added Drummond and two rookie bigs in Petrusev and Bassey this year. Unless he sees backup minutes at the 4 he's not seeing the court again.

He's a better player than a guy like Boucher(you can quote me on that anyday, I'll stand my ground). He just doesn't see the minutes.

Give the guy 20 mins a game and there will be two-three threads about him on the GB daily.

[CP War Hawks]

Even with Trae you can see he's executing a blueprint of what he wants systematically. I'm loving it. He's mirroring his own lineups.

If JJ stays focused he's going to give the Hawks a really scary element going forward.

Question sir, are you seeing Collins playing out this new contract in a Hawks jersey?

He should match up against Paul Reed jr. tonight which should be the best litmus test for a summer league game. If he performs well then I can start to believe, not that I don't believe. He's really likable as a prospect.

Thoughts?

I had him rated just below where Kuminga went, so well within the top ten of the draft. Reed kinda got into his head in the 2nd half and threw him off a bit. He has to mature more obviously. The guy has a bright future if he stays more focused.

If he can't mesh well with the group of guys on the roster namely Trae, he will not last here simply put.

[shakes0]

I expect a huge jump from Paul Reed in his 2nd year. Hopefully the Sixers know how to use him better.

Jalen Johnson reminds me of a super version of Terrence Jones.

Paul Reed is an exceptional player. There's no one on this forum more of homer than I am.

Let's not go crazy now. I take my Paul Reed fandom very serious as a lifelong DePaul fan and alumnus with two degrees from the school.


we don't have too many good players these days. Pretty much just Reed and Summer League superstar Max Strus.


Been a long time since days of Rocket Rod Strickland, Terry Cummings, Mark Aguirre and Kevin Edwards.

[ROballer]

I expect a huge jump from Paul Reed in his 2nd year. Hopefully the Sixers know how to use him better.

Jalen Johnson reminds me of a super version of Terrence Jones.

Paul Reed is an exceptional player. There's no one on this forum more of homer than I am.

Let's not go crazy now. I take my Paul Reed fandom very serious as a lifelong DePaul fan and alumnus with two degrees from the school.


we don't have too many good players these days. Pretty much just Reed and Summer League superstar Max Strus.


Been a long time since days of Rocket Rod Strickland, Terry Cummings, Mark Aguirre and Kevin Edwards.

Better see you rocking some banners on TV to free this man then.


If you thought Christian Wood, Boucher, Oshae Brissett, Vanderbilt, etc were good when finally getting minutes...they have nothing on BBall Paul.

He needs an injury bug for the Sixers to get it going, that one is clear. If he gets 5-10 games in a row with 20+ minutes you wouldn't be able to keep him off the floor after that, he's that good.


I've said it before, if Thybulle doesn't do it(unlikely to get the blocks), he's the guy to bring back the 2.0+ spg and 2.0 bpg season.Terrific rebounder and finisher as well.
If he manages to replicate his 3 point efficiency rate from his G-League MVP Season, watch out!