Summer League Thread Part 4: Aug 14th Charlotte @7pm TSN2

[Chandan]

I hope barnes can get a bit leaner.
All them mass isn't doing any good unless he is crafty enough to nudge people around
He hasn't shown me that he likes finishing in traffic thru contact so might as well be lighter on his feet which would help him defensively.

Plus I think he was laboring a bit out there in the 2nd quarter.

[gbball]

The issue with him is that he is a good, but not great defender. He needs to be excellent on the perimeter because he is not much of a shot blocker. Some users pointed out that his lateral quickness is surprisingly lacking, so if that proves to be true, that will obviously hurt his profile because like I said he is not much of an inside presence and most of his value and impact right now comes from hustle plays, reading the offense, playing the passing lanes and having a strong and long body.

Obviously it's going to be a long journey for him to find his niche within an NBA team and finds the things he can excel at, but he has a lot of tools to work with so fans need to be patient.

a well-respected reporter told me that OG has better lateral and hip flex quickness than Barnes
i was surprised to hear that
he also mention Pascal is sprintier than Barnes.

serious risk Raps took in selecting Barnes

I can see this, but hip flexibility should be correctable no? Sprinting doesn't really matter as much...Pascal is a bit of a freak in that regard.

[gbball]

Also, it looked like the players were dead tired, almost like Mutombo ran them ragged in practice. It also looked like early in the game, they were trying to feature some of their depth players by design.

I hope they come out more competitively in the next game while looking fresher.

[Mikistan]

Also, it looked like the players were dead tired, almost like Mutombo ran them ragged in practice. It also looked like early in the game, they were trying to feature some of their depth players by design.

I hope they come out more competitively in the next game while looking fresher.

For sure Barnes started the first 4 mins then sat he had another like 4 to 6 min stint in the 2nd quarter and the first half he was used off ball the whole time

Then he played the whole third quarter, with the ball in his hands a lot and he started getting to the line like hotcakes.

I think we were doing some load management since we play Houston tonight


A back to BACk in summer league such garbage scheduling lol

[kj_]

Things are going pretty much as expected for Barnes after 2 games. Up and down. Moments where he shows real flashes and moments where he looks awkward. This will be a process.

The one thing that’s concerning me is something Sam Vecenie outlined as a big red flag on Barnes predraft. Even when he has a step on a defender he struggles to finish. This was really evident on the dribble handoffs up top where he gets a head of steam and attacks. He is not finding the seams decisively and doesn’t have a smooth finishing touch. He will need to greatly improve in this area to force the collapse and open up passing lanes to shooters. Learning to use his length to finish at the rim will be a key in his development.


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[kj_]

The issue with him is that he is a good, but not great defender. He needs to be excellent on the perimeter because he is not much of a shot blocker. Some users pointed out that his lateral quickness is surprisingly lacking, so if that proves to be true, that will obviously hurt his profile because like I said he is not much of an inside presence and most of his value and impact right now comes from hustle plays, reading the offense, playing the passing lanes and having a strong and long body.

Obviously it's going to be a long journey for him to find his niche within an NBA team and finds the things he can excel at, but he has a lot of tools to work with so fans need to be patient.

a well-respected reporter told me that OG has better lateral and hip flex quickness than Barnes
i was surprised to hear that
he also mention Pascal is sprintier than Barnes.

serious risk Raps took in selecting Barnes

Is the reporter in witness protection so you are unable to state their name?


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[Oakvillehoops]

The combine results are out there, Barnes
Lateral quicks ranked quite high, his sprinting was among the worst.

So yes Siakam is sprintier and OGs lateral shocks are higher (barely)

I have a feeling Scottie should actually slim his body down instead of being bulked up

[Sandman88]

Felt Scottie was passive. He needs to set the tone tonight

[Clutch0z24]

Bounce back game for Barnes tonight i hope

I know Barnes has the Size that wows you but i just wish he didn't wabble like a penguin when he runs/walks on the court...

Thats the thing im wondering the most for his size at 6"9 he moves like hes 7"3 or something....Like Porzingas is 7"3 And moves like a Guard at times ....Its just weird to me is something wrong with his knees/legs? like arthritis or something? idk ,,,

But he is very slow laterally too bad that can't be fixed

[tosi]

I love how people are throwing blanket statements and having melt downs on summer league games lol

[Dennis 37]

you should see the Magic board - they are laughing at this forum for being ripe with dissent and having a mental disorder for comparing Suggs and Barnes.

That Orlando made no effort to trade up to get Suggs, means they would probably be just as happy with Barnes too.

[traps#10]

Just let Barnes run the point. Who cares if he makes mistakes, throw him in the fire with the ball PERIOD. He’s most effective with the ball and shouldn’t be considered a stand still player in the corner on offence.

[Jambo]

Barnes looks like he's 2yrs away from being 2yrs away , still no idea why we passed on Suggs for a player this raw and the worst part is that he doesn't look like some freak athlete .

seems like great person however and maybe that played a part in our decision to draft him

[LBJKB24MJ23]

you should see the Magic board - they are laughing at this forum for being ripe with dissent and having a mental disorder for comparing Suggs and Barnes.

That Orlando made no effort to trade up to get Suggs, means they would probably be just as happy with Barnes too.

Yup.

They are just go-happy at the moment and elated they got Suggs when I guess he was the general consensus and popular draft pick - though some draft boards had Barnes higher. Like everyone in the green room at the draft thought Suggs was the pick.


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[ItsDanger]

They use summer league to practice their system and change it frequently during game on both ends. Coaches observe players and how they adapt in game situations. Its nice to win but it really isn't their priority,

[realball]

This Summer league team is foreshadowing how our team is going to go. A bunch of athletic, long tweeners with some ball-handling ability and questionable jumpers, paired with scrappy undersized Cs and a SG in a PG's body. Our defense looked great but offense was a struggle, pretty much what to expect from the regular season. This year might be harder to watch than others...

[Indeed]

Honestly nobody on the Raps looked good in this last game, the offense looked completely out of whack. I'd like to see a lot less of Banton, Flynn, Johnson and those G Leaguers initiating the offense, and a lot more of Barnes running the show. Scottie didn't shoot well, but whenever the ball was in his hands he made something happen. I love his passion for the game and his turn around mid range jumper was really nice, but his reaction afterwards was kind of extra. I would like for him to get to place where he expects to make those types of shots and it's just business as usual, hopefully this comes as he matures and improves his game.

Barnes and Kuminga going at each other was really fun to watch. It felt like in the second half Barnes realized that Kuminga was getting the better of him and Scottie really started to turn it on in the 3rd. I'm hoping the coaching staff is ingraining the attack mindset in Barnes, because when he's committed and aggressive attacking the rim or getting to his spot, good luck trying to stop him.

I wonder if how Barnes would look playing with the starters, passing to smart cutters like Pascal and OG, or shooters like Flynn and Trent.

I really hope our plan to develop him is to put the ball in his hands on offense and not have him stand in the corner waiting to shoot a 3.

I guess the ball handling of Flynn (and Banton?) are better fit to bring the ball up for initiating the offense (Barnes lost the ball on his post up). However, none of them are point guards in setting up plays for Barnes.

Meanwhile, the lack of shooting really hurt our spacing. I think David Johnson is really below average on both end, while Banton was good in team defense (alright against summer league in man defense). As for playing Barnes with our starters, he can probably defend (still need some adjustment against man defense), but the spacing with VanVleet and Dragic would be better (I see Dragic who can setup plays instead of Trent or Flynn).

As for his development, I am not surprised corner 3 is his role in the first year (free throw, against closeout, pullup, etc.), and based on the development of OG, we may develop his finishing at rim first (missing a lot of gimme, and lack the soft touch), before he can do more with the ball.

[traps#10]

Honestly nobody on the Raps looked good in this last game, the offense looked completely out of whack. I'd like to see a lot less of Banton, Flynn, Johnson and those G Leaguers initiating the offense, and a lot more of Barnes running the show. Scottie didn't shoot well, but whenever the ball was in his hands he made something happen. I love his passion for the game and his turn around mid range jumper was really nice, but his reaction afterwards was kind of extra. I would like for him to get to place where he expects to make those types of shots and it's just business as usual, hopefully this comes as he matures and improves his game.

Barnes and Kuminga going at each other was really fun to watch. It felt like in the second half Barnes realized that Kuminga was getting the better of him and Scottie really started to turn it on in the 3rd. I'm hoping the coaching staff is ingraining the attack mindset in Barnes, because when he's committed and aggressive attacking the rim or getting to his spot, good luck trying to stop him.

I wonder if how Barnes would look playing with the starters, passing to smart cutters like Pascal and OG, or shooters like Flynn and Trent.

I really hope our plan to develop him is to put the ball in his hands on offense and not have him stand in the corner waiting to shoot a 3.

I guess the ball handling of Flynn (and Banton?) are better fit to bring the ball up for initiating the offense (Barnes lost the ball on his post up). However, none of them are point guards in setting up plays for Barnes.

Meanwhile, the lack of shooting really hurt our spacing. I think David Johnson is really below average on both end, while Banton was good in team defense (alright against summer league in man defense). As for playing Barnes with our starters, he can probably defend (still need some adjustment against man defense), but the spacing with VanVleet and Dragic would be better (I see Dragic who can setup plays instead of Trent or Flynn).

As for his development, I am not surprised corner 3 is his role in the first year (free throw, against closeout, pullup, etc.), and based on the development of OG, we may develop his finishing at rim first (missing a lot of gimme, and lack the soft touch), before he can do more with the ball.

I hope we are not developing another OG with that development regiment. We should mold Barnes as a Giannis and not a OG… IMO Barnes should be developed as a big PG, take advantage of his size against 6’6 and below opponents. What’s the point of playing him as a SF/PF where he can’t take advantage using his size against guys who are similar in height/weight?

[VFX]

you should see the Magic board - they are laughing at this forum for being ripe with dissent and having a mental disorder for comparing Suggs and Barnes.

That Orlando made no effort to trade up to get Suggs, means they would probably be just as happy with Barnes too.

False.

[T-d0t]

you should see the Magic board - they are laughing at this forum for being ripe with dissent and having a mental disorder for comparing Suggs and Barnes.

That Orlando made no effort to trade up to get Suggs, means they would probably be just as happy with Barnes too.

False.

Barnes was apparently #4 on the Magic, OKC & Raps board