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[emunney]

Sometimes it's more important to be loud than informed.

[ReasonablySober]

Artest and Jackson probably should have been charged with that too honestly but ironically enough their privilege as millionaire NBA athletes is probably what prevented that, the Rubicon was crossed when they entered the crowd and I'd like to hear how that was "defending themselves". If Artest doesn't "defend himself" against a plastic cup by going into the crowd to fight random fans then the riot doesn't happen, simple as.

People **** all over Detroit and Pistons fans too, I don't know what people are remembering.

You're talking to people who watched the doc. You didn't.

The documentary is based a real event that a lot of us have a pretty good memory of but do you think there is anything in the documentary that's going to change my opinion to Artest not being the primary person responsible for the riot? The Pacers players don't think it was their fault? Shocking.

I'm saying even the county prosecutor blames the fans for the incident, something you would know if you watched the doc.

[Iheartfootball]

Haven't seen the doc maybe I should but I don't think what you're insinuating is fair, Artest and Jackson going into the crowd turned an on the court scuffle into a full on riot putting all the players at risk and having to fight their way off the court. Not excusing any bad actions done by the fans but I don't think you can excuse Artest or Jackson either, mental health problems or whatever be damned. I can't give Artest credit for deescalating laying on the scorers table away from Ben Wallace(who is also throwing **** at him btw) when he loses his **** a moment later when a plastic cup gets thrown by a fan he didn't even see so he goes and beats up some innocent bystander that's a foot shorter who didn't even throw it. I'm glad all of them have grown as people but pretending its a black and white issue where you side with one against the other doesn't make much sense, everybody is responsible for their own actions regardless of how they were "triggered".

Nobody is saying Artest was correct in what he did, but when the fans started attacking, and that's exactly what happened, the players had a right to defend themselves. Fans were throwing **** chairs at the players. One of them came down to the court and approached a player with a clenched fist.

The fact still remains to me that Artest and Jackson were the ones that went into the crowd first and provoked the riot, that's a lot worse than yelling fire in a crowded theater I think and they're lucky it didn't end up with anybody dead or seriously injured.

You should watch the doc. They didn't provoke the riot, they were provoked. Turning the other cheek sounds great in theory but most of us don't have that kind of emotional equanimity when **** is getting thrown at you and you have no idea what it could be.

There was also very little security or police around and the ones that did tried to arrest Reggie Miller on the court. Extreme bias in every aspect of how the melee was handled from start to finish.

[SupremeHustle]

The show drops on October 29th on Netflix. For those who support me, thank you! For those who wanna hate, please watch every episode 10 times and tell me what you hate about it!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-colin-kaepernickin-black-white-release-date-first-look-photos-1234996613/

I'll hate watch it ten times

Supreme is going to soon reach Charlie Bell status and get hounded too much to post on here.

Doubt it. Everybody here already knows what I do and who I am. Except for jschligs. (See sig)

[Matches Malone]

I'll hate watch it ten times

Supreme is going to soon reach Charlie Bell status and get hounded too much to post on here.

Doubt it. Everybody here already knows what I do and who I am. Except for jschligs. (See sig)

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[RogerMurdock]

The show drops on October 29th on Netflix. For those who support me, thank you! For those who wanna hate, please watch every episode 10 times and tell me what you hate about it!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-colin-kaepernickin-black-white-release-date-first-look-photos-1234996613/

Marking the calendar. Very excited to watch. Congratulations!

[RogerMurdock]

The show drops on October 29th on Netflix. For those who support me, thank you! For those who wanna hate, please watch every episode 10 times and tell me what you hate about it!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-colin-kaepernickin-black-white-release-date-first-look-photos-1234996613/

Marking the calendar. Very excited to watch. Congratulations!

I should add that I'm obviously not some Hollywood insider or anything, but my years here in Atlanta as a background extra have really made me appreciate film making more than just in the "do I like this movie/show" kind of way. After seeing first hand how hard people work to entertain and inform us, I get genuinely happy for people when they get to see something they've poured so much effort into come to life. I know how exciting it has been to see myself on screen, even if just for a second, I can't imagine what it's like to have something birthed from your soul become reality.

[JayMKE]

I think my position is pretty clear who I hold primarily responsible and why, I have an opinion on one of the seminal events in NBA history like most people probably do who were fans of the sport at the time and I don't think it's uninformed but I will watch the documentary soon. I do seriously doubt there is anything that's going to make me think Artest and Jackson were justified in going into the stands but I'm sure its fascinating to relive crazy night. I do not care what a country prosecutor thinks by the way, they tend to get **** wrong a lot and play a lot of politics if that wasn't clear from certain recent news of non-prosecution agreements and whatnot recently. From my memory Detroit and Pistons fans got roasted pretty hard after the brawl, people talk about thugs and coded language but that sort of thing has been used to cast Detroit in a bad light for decades before this brawl ever happened, the doc at least doesn't glance over that fact right? Forgive me if there's more nuance to the doc than I'm expecting since what I'm getting that it's the Pacer's side of the story. The little article I read about it had Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson saying they did nothing wrong at all and Ron Artest's crazy ass literally didn't know if he was gonna get in trouble even after they fought back to the locker room. At least Artest got hit with a cup too so him losing control at least has a trigger, what's Jackson's excuse?

However, I remember the competing narratives almost immediately after the brawl where a huge contingent of people blamed Pistons fans and were basically of the opinion that throwing a plastic cup was justifiable grounds for beating the **** out of someone which the latter is something I just don't agree with as a somewhat mature adult. Not saying throwing the cup is right or that one fan shouldn't be charged with something but charging blindly into the stands to fight anybody you get your hands on is a totally oversized overreaction to that which sparked the full blown riot. Maybe when you're ****faced in a bar parking lot at 2 am its the time for a stupid fight like that but not a nationally televised NBA game where you're probably making 6 figures for one night of work. IIRC the broadcast went off the air with Bill Walton going off on Piston's fans so I just don't understand where this victim complex from the Pacers comes from, Larry Brown was disgusted and threw his mic on the ground. It really was the ugliest scene in NBA maybe professional sports history.

[ReginaldDwight]

Obviously Metta World shouldnt have went into the crowd, but if the pistons crowd didnt start throwing **** onto the court I dont think he just goes up there and starts smoking dudes.

[ABucksFan]

Was able to watch Suicide Squad. Really funny, I enjoyed it.

[jakecronus8]

Got a good laugh at the point in the documentary when artest was trying to leave the court and that cop was getting ready to mace him.

Said cop: “I wasn’t trying to mace him.”

(Cut to a shot of him pulling his mace out and shaking it as he approached Ron)

I just get a kick out of people denying empirical evidence. Seems to be a trend these days.

[VooDoo7]

The show drops on October 29th on Netflix. For those who support me, thank you! For those who wanna hate, please watch every episode 10 times and tell me what you hate about it!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-colin-kaepernickin-black-white-release-date-first-look-photos-1234996613/

I suppose I'll contribute to your already lush lifestyle.

(congrats!)

[BroncoBuck]

Jermaine O’Neal was on Russillo’s pod last week talking about the doc. He elaborated further on his (nonexistent) relationship with Artest. I definitely recommend giving it a listen.

[SupremeHustle]

The show drops on October 29th on Netflix. For those who support me, thank you! For those who wanna hate, please watch every episode 10 times and tell me what you hate about it!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-colin-kaepernickin-black-white-release-date-first-look-photos-1234996613/

I suppose I'll contribute to your already lush lifestyle.

(congrats!)

I was thinking me, you and my friend Jason Kidd could all watch together if you're not busy.

[HurricaneKid]

The Palace doc was pretty good but nothing earth shattering with the “full footage” that was hyped. I was always on the players side and I think anyone with common sense would be. Pretty clear to me why anyone wouldn’t be on their side but that’s more of a GB current affairs topic.

Haven't seen the doc maybe I should but I don't think what you're insinuating is fair, Artest and Jackson going into the crowd turned an on the court scuffle into a full on riot putting all the players at risk and having to fight their way off the court. Not excusing any bad actions done by the fans but I don't think you can excuse Artest or Jackson either, mental health problems or whatever be damned. I can't give Artest credit for deescalating laying on the scorers table away from Ben Wallace(who is also throwing **** at him btw) when he loses his **** a moment later when a plastic cup gets thrown by a fan he didn't even see so he goes and beats up some innocent bystander that's a foot shorter who didn't even throw it. I'm glad all of them have grown as people but pretending its a black and white issue where you side with one against the other doesn't make much sense, everybody is responsible for their own actions regardless of how they were "triggered".

Totally disagree. I was a teenager when this happened. Watched it a number of times. I went with what ESPN, Costas, and basically the world told me. That there were some bad fans but the players were the ones that did this.

Looking back at it as an old man I'm blown away that I gave decision making authority over to a group that would have me blaming guys that were being brazenly attacked by 100s of fans.

I had a lousy day at work. And not even punched in the throat by Big Ben bad. And if a stranger would have thrown a beer in my face... I'd have done far worse to him than Jax or Metta did. To watch the guy that threw the drink on Artest on TV saying he wished he had tripped Artest and joking about the whole thing, watching a mob attack young black men, then police running into the scene ready to pepper spray the Pacers, then watch as the world calls them thugs... man if you dont think race was intrinsically and deeply involved in this you are outta your mind.

SJax and Artest got to start over and became Champs. I FELT for Jermaine O'Neal who had to stick it out and carry the burden for that franchise for the next 5 years when he never went in the stands.

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[HaroldinGMinor]

Reservation Dogs on FX is wonderful. Everyone should watch it.

[ReasonablySober]

God damn, Ted Lasso. What a show.

[JimmyTheKid]

Malice at the Palace doc is on Netflix.

Watched it last night. Jermaine O'Neal over everything.

[MickeyDavis]

Looking forward to the White Lotus finale. I have no idea where it's going and I'm not doing any reading of it because I don't want to know anyone's theories. A very unique, fun show.

I think I'm going to give Billions another shot. I watched the first 2-3 of episodes of season 1 because of Damien Lewis but lost interest and never got back to it.

[VooDoo7]

The show drops on October 29th on Netflix. For those who support me, thank you! For those who wanna hate, please watch every episode 10 times and tell me what you hate about it!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-colin-kaepernickin-black-white-release-date-first-look-photos-1234996613/

I suppose I'll contribute to your already lush lifestyle.

(congrats!)

I was thinking me, you and my friend Jason Kidd could all watch together if you're not busy.