Malice at The Palace - Netflix documentary

[Tius645]

Did any of you already watched it? I did so last night and, even though I was very young at the time and I was just starting following the NBA, I think the documentary is a little bit one sided (at least for the information I have about what happened that night).

What are your thoughts about it?

[Uncle Mxy]

I watched it. It's mostly about the Pacers, nothing really new otherwise.
It would've been nice to hear from more Pistons than a minute with Big Ben.
Tim Donaghy is a douchey kinda guy, but that shouldn't be new news.

[Manocad]

I didn't. I was at that game, in the Kelly Services suite actually. Good times.

And no, I haven't watched the documentary. Don't really feel a need or desire to, truthfully. It's one thing to watch a 30 for 30 about the Bad Boys, the Going to Work Pistons or the Fab Five that gives you a whole story involving events unfolding over the course of a couple of years, but a documentary about an event that took place in basically 15 minutes of real time that I saw live and on MANY video clips later? Not really grabbing me.

[Piston Pete]

It was pretty blah. This documentary could have been so much better.

99% of it is from the POVs of Artest, Stephen Jackson, Jermaine O’Neal, and Reggie Miller.

[chrbal]

http://grantland.com/features/an-oral-history-malice-palace/

Read that. Haven’t watched the documentary, but I have to imagine this is better. Also not completely slanted towards the pacers

[LaSheed]

I enjoyed it. That Pacers team was so good. If they could've kept their head straight I think they would've beat us in the ECF.

But I listened to Reggie Miller tell that side of the story in an interview somewhere so it was nothing new.

Didn't know about the Jamal Tinsley telling Ron to use his foul lol. Maybe he doesn't get enough blame for some of it haha.

[chrbal]

Tinsley played one more full season afterwards, had a contract dispute and then never really recovered. He didn’t get enough punishment, but the league seemed to largely distant itself from him. Teams would take chances afterwards, but I remember him never really getting much of a real chance at establishing himself again.

[flow]

I enjoyed it. That Pacers team was so good. If they could've kept their head straight I think they would've beat us in the ECF.

I think so too. That was their year.

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[mrroboto4889]

I don't think the goal was to make an unbiased account of what happened that night. As has been mentioned, that's already been done. The Pacers players have had gag orders from talking about their side until all their pending cases reached a verdict. So this is 100% from their perspective. I also was under the impression JO actually had a hand in getting the doc made but I can't find where he's credited as a producer or anything.

[DBC10]

All this did was reinforce my current held beliefs that the average Joe fan is a dumbass and too many of them don't deserve to be at these games. Totally their fault for making it a bigger deal than it was

Also shoutout to Artest being inches away from being maced after the brawl had ended. That would've been such a s***show had that cop followed through and Reggie Miller not stopping him

[Uncle Mxy]

I also was under the impression JO actually had a hand in getting the doc made but I can't find where he's credited as a producer or anything.

JO is listed as an Executive Producer in the opening credits.
No, IMDB doesn't list that.

JO seems to think he wouldn't have been broken down with nagging injuries come playoff time.
Sure, uh-huh, right.

JO reminds me of Steve Harris as Eugene from The Practice.
Artest reminds me of a turd.

[Manocad]

All this did was reinforce my current held beliefs that the average Joe fan is a dumbass and too many of them don't deserve to be at these games. Totally their fault for making it a bigger deal than it was

Also shoutout to Artest being inches away from being maced after the brawl had ended. That would've been such a s***show had that cop followed through and Reggie Miller not stopping him

If that were true, a barrage of cups would have rained down on Artest. The fact that only a few fans out of a sold out crowd of 22,076 became engaged in the mess speaks to the idea that the average Joe fan is actually NOT a dumbass.

In the course of my life I've been lucky enough to go to a LOT of games across a lot of sports in a lot of locations around the country. I can assure you that even in the worst of situations, like some dumbass Joe average fan forgetting that he was wearing a Michigan jacket while attending a Lions game in Cleveland Stadium--sitting in the Dawg Pound, no less--it's only a few fans who act like idiots.

[DetroitSho]

I enjoyed it. That Pacers team was so good. If they could've kept their head straight I think they would've beat us in the ECF.

I think so too. That was their year.

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Nahhh top to bottom they had the best talent but after watching that I'm convinced that they would have screwed it up in some other way. Ron Artest was like Rickey Bobby's dad Reece. When things are going too good it didn't sit right with him.

He admitted he was looking for a way to escape. If it wasn't the Malice it would've been something. I think the Pacers players and people in general need to move on from that thinking because to win a championship everyone has to be locked in and that just wasn't the case on that team.

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[mrroboto4889]

All this did was reinforce my current held beliefs that the average Joe fan is a dumbass and too many of them don't deserve to be at these games. Totally their fault for making it a bigger deal than it was

Also shoutout to Artest being inches away from being maced after the brawl had ended. That would've been such a s***show had that cop followed through and Reggie Miller not stopping him

If that were true, a barrage of cups would have rained down on Artest. The fact that only a few fans out of a sold out crowd of 22,076 became engaged in the mess speaks to the idea that the average Joe fan is actually NOT a dumbass.

In the course of my life I've been lucky enough to go to a LOT of games across a lot of sports in a lot of locations around the country. I can assure you that even in the worst of situations, like some dumbass Joe average fan forgetting that he was wearing a Michigan jacket while attending a Lions game in Cleveland Stadium--sitting in the Dawg Pound, no less--it's only a few fans who act like idiots.

Idk what your criteria for "becoming engaged" is. Maybe you should rewatch the footage of the Pacers entering the tunnel while dozens of fans are dumping drinks and popcorn on them. It probably would've been worse had the number of concessions in the stands not been finite.

[Snakebites]

Pacers looked very good to start that year, but the “it was their year” narrative is overblown. It was 7 games into the season, following a year where they won 61 games and lost to us in 6 in the ECF.

7 games isn’t enough to say they’d have topped that.

I haven’t watched it and don’t care to. It wasn’t our finest hour as a fandom and I feel no need to relive it.

[Manocad]

All this did was reinforce my current held beliefs that the average Joe fan is a dumbass and too many of them don't deserve to be at these games. Totally their fault for making it a bigger deal than it was

Also shoutout to Artest being inches away from being maced after the brawl had ended. That would've been such a s***show had that cop followed through and Reggie Miller not stopping him

If that were true, a barrage of cups would have rained down on Artest. The fact that only a few fans out of a sold out crowd of 22,076 became engaged in the mess speaks to the idea that the average Joe fan is actually NOT a dumbass.

In the course of my life I've been lucky enough to go to a LOT of games across a lot of sports in a lot of locations around the country. I can assure you that even in the worst of situations, like some dumbass Joe average fan forgetting that he was wearing a Michigan jacket while attending a Lions game in Cleveland Stadium--sitting in the Dawg Pound, no less--it's only a few fans who act like idiots.

Idk what your criteria for "becoming engaged" is. Maybe you should rewatch the footage of the Pacers entering the tunnel while dozens of fans are dumping drinks and popcorn on them. It probably would've been worse had the number of concessions in the stands not been finite.

I was at the game, bro. Even "dozens" of fans out of 22,076 still counts as a relative "few." Especially in the context that the point being made here was that "the average Joe fan is a dumbass and too many of them don't deserve to be at these games" based on the behavior of even "dozens" of fans out of 22,076. If the majority of 22,076 fans acted like dumbasses the scene would have been an indoor riot.

[NYPiston]

Even as a Pistons fan, I can say that this was mostly instigated by Ben Wallace drastically overreacting to some rough stuff then the fans throwing **** at Artest when he was laying on the scorers table after the situation on the court de-escalated somewhat.

[440BB]

I keep imagining Ron Artest getting maced.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda...oh well.

[mrroboto4889]

If that were true, a barrage of cups would have rained down on Artest. The fact that only a few fans out of a sold out crowd of 22,076 became engaged in the mess speaks to the idea that the average Joe fan is actually NOT a dumbass.

In the course of my life I've been lucky enough to go to a LOT of games across a lot of sports in a lot of locations around the country. I can assure you that even in the worst of situations, like some dumbass Joe average fan forgetting that he was wearing a Michigan jacket while attending a Lions game in Cleveland Stadium--sitting in the Dawg Pound, no less--it's only a few fans who act like idiots.

Idk what your criteria for "becoming engaged" is. Maybe you should rewatch the footage of the Pacers entering the tunnel while dozens of fans are dumping drinks and popcorn on them. It probably would've been worse had the number of concessions in the stands not been finite.

I was at the game, bro. Even "dozens" of fans out of 22,076 still counts as a relative "few." Especially in the context that the point being made here was that "the average Joe fan is a dumbass and too many of them don't deserve to be at these games" based on the behavior of even "dozens" of fans out of 22,076. If the majority of 22,076 fans acted like dumbasses the scene would have been an indoor riot.

Well there definitely wasn't 22,076 fans still in the building in the final minute of the hometeam getting blown out. And the number of people at the railing on either side of that specific tunnel was probably closer to 100. So the percentage of fans acting a fool is higher than you, or I, would like to hope.

One aspect that I can compromise with you on is that fans at sporting events don't misbehave. But that night ceased to be a sporting event and descended into full-on riot conditions. So who's to say how any of us would react in a situation like that.

[Manocad]

Idk what your criteria for "becoming engaged" is. Maybe you should rewatch the footage of the Pacers entering the tunnel while dozens of fans are dumping drinks and popcorn on them. It probably would've been worse had the number of concessions in the stands not been finite.

I was at the game, bro. Even "dozens" of fans out of 22,076 still counts as a relative "few." Especially in the context that the point being made here was that "the average Joe fan is a dumbass and too many of them don't deserve to be at these games" based on the behavior of even "dozens" of fans out of 22,076. If the majority of 22,076 fans acted like dumbasses the scene would have been an indoor riot.

Well there definitely wasn't 22,076 fans still in the building in the final minute of the hometeam getting blown out. And the number of people at the railing on either side of that specific tunnel was probably closer to 100. So the percentage of fans acting a fool is higher than you, or I, would like to hope.

One aspect that I can compromise with you on is that fans at sporting events don't misbehave. But that night ceased to be a sporting event and descended into full-on riot conditions. So who's to say how any of us would react in a situation like that.

No, there weren't still 22,076 people remaining in the stadium but it was still at about 1/3 capacity when that all went down. And I'd suggest you take your own advice and watch the video again; I counted literally five instances of something being dumped/thrown at the Pacers as they were exiting the tunnel; nothing close to "dozens" of people.

But the point remains. The vast majority of fans at sporting events in the US behave themselves. You want to see misbehaving idiot fans as a whole, go watch a soccer match in the UK between two rival teams/fanbases.