With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[YelloC]

Barnes is already huge but looks like he’ll settle in at a chiselled 250+ in his prime.
With Lbj and Kawhi heading towards their twilight, Scottie could end up being the strongest playmaking wing in the League.

[blastttOFF]

raptors trying that running head start DHO play for Barnes, same play the 76ers run for Simmons, and the Suns (when they had Oubre).
With two possessions: he couldnt beat one defender and had to pass out, the other, he got to the line by changing direction in traffic (which was impressive).

dont think he should be utilized this way, he needs more PNR action and let him run the offense that way.

again, its summer league and raptors trying different things to utilize him best.

[OakleyDokely]

Barnes has shot 16 FTs in two games which is encouraging as well. He's getting to the basket and drawing contact off the dribble. Needs to attack the rim a little stronger instead of bailing out in order to get those And1s though

[Kinger95]

I dunno if anyone has said this comparison but Josh Howard when he played with the mavs I think is one of the closer ones.

Howard was a 6’7 guy with 7’2 wingspan. Good ball handler. Didn’t shoot the 3 till his 4th year as a 26 year old. Scottie is such a unique blend of length, strength and ball handling. He has a good feel for the game but it’s so weird how someone with Scotties measurements and body can look not explosive on the court.

Honestly his shot it gonna come but I’m shocked how a guy with his leaping ability can look like he’s wearing a weight vest most the time

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[Tripod]

I dunno if anyone has said this comparison but Josh Howard when he played with the mavs I think is one of the closer ones.

Howard was a 6’7 guy with 7’2 wingspan. Good ball handler. Didn’t shoot the 3 till his 4th year as a 26 year old. Scottie is such a unique blend of length, strength and ball handling. He has a good feel for the game but it’s so weird how someone with Scotties measurements and body can look not explosive on the court.

Honestly his shot it gonna come but I’m shocked how a guy with his leaping ability can look like he’s wearing a weight vest most the time

Yeah his feet look very heavy most of the time. "Clunky" if you will.

[jimross]

I dunno if anyone has said this comparison but Josh Howard when he played with the mavs I think is one of the closer ones.

Howard was a 6’7 guy with 7’2 wingspan. Good ball handler. Didn’t shoot the 3 till his 4th year as a 26 year old. Scottie is such a unique blend of length, strength and ball handling. He has a good feel for the game but it’s so weird how someone with Scotties measurements and body can look not explosive on the court.

Honestly his shot it gonna come but I’m shocked how a guy with his leaping ability can look like he’s wearing a weight vest most the time

Yeah his feet look very heavy most of the time. "Clunky" if you will.

Yea I posted the same thing yesterday in the game thread. He looks clunky and stiff. Such a weird athlete. Tested great but plays heavy and doesn't seem to have much explosion. Might have been tired or injured but it's something that's consistent in 3 straight games.

He's a guy that's going to have to become very comfortable playing physically and shooting over defenders as I don't think he has the explosion or speed to blow by defenders.

[Mark_83]

Does anyone else notice Scottie is too upright in everything he does? On defense he doesn't always sit down as much as he should. On offense when he's shooting threes he doesn't ben his knees. When he drives to the basket, his legs tend to be very straight and he's very upright which doesn't give him the flexibility to explode through contact or towards the basket at the end of his drives. Hopefully it's something the Raptors notice and work with him on. Too many times you see him make it all the way to the bucket and he doesn't have enough left to finish so he puts up an awkward or weak shot.

[Kinger95]

All I know is Jonas was ruined with everyone saying players need to be strong and big to bang and that’s no the league any more. JV was fast and agile as a youngster and shouldn’t have lifted 1 heavy weight. Everything should have been centred around maximizing agility and explosiveness. Same with Scottie.

Needs lighter shoes maybe lol

[anotherhomer]

All I know is Jonas was ruined with everyone saying players need to be strong and big to bang and that’s no the league any more. JV was fast and agile as a youngster and shouldn’t have lifted 1 heavy weight. Everything should have been centred around maximizing agility and explosiveness. Same with Scottie.

Needs lighter shoes maybe lol

Plz don't ruin Scottie like bucks ruin Giannis jumper

[Jenga_tDot]

Yeah I agree. He needs to avoid bulking up cause that would make it even harder for him to shoot.
His current frame is already quite NBA ready and does not need to put on more muscle.

[HumbleRen]

I dunno if anyone has said this comparison but Josh Howard when he played with the mavs I think is one of the closer ones.

Howard was a 6’7 guy with 7’2 wingspan. Good ball handler. Didn’t shoot the 3 till his 4th year as a 26 year old. Scottie is such a unique blend of length, strength and ball handling. He has a good feel for the game but it’s so weird how someone with Scotties measurements and body can look not explosive on the court.

Honestly his shot it gonna come but I’m shocked how a guy with his leaping ability can look like he’s wearing a weight vest most the time

His athleticism gives me post injury Jabari Parker jumping vibes. Not explosive or quick in the half court but a good power dunker.

He either needs to refine his first step or jumping techniques or lose 10 pounds or so.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Maybe Masai is playing the long game and nabbed a guy who may help winning, but without the high level offence that ends up costing us max level extensions. Maybe they see Scottie as a really high level glue guy? I’m sure they knew how raw he was and what the expectation would be. I really think, Masai is incredibly secure here so if he passed on Suggs not for the belief that Barnes is better, but because he already had Fred, Flynn, and Trent and didn’t see Suggs as worthy of moving one of them, he should say so and take the pressure off the kid. It can be a tough spot to be on the court with a whole country waiting on you to all of a sudden get better at shooting as if he never tried before.

[sidsid]

He comes in with some solid playmaking and handles for his size, but what must have enamoured GMs is his headiness on defense and hoping it translates to his offense.

He had a couple high IQ moves in this game that aren't impressive because of how he finished, but how he got there. Looking off a defender as if he was passing to get that step over him. Slight hesitations even after getting by guys to stay in control.

The Giannis comparison isn't really there for me because he's not an insane explosive athlete. He works well in the open court, but that's it. The Kawhi one, at least aesthetically, works. Barnes is a methodical player when at his best. Using strength to establish position over raw athleticism is his path forward. I don't see the concerns with bulking up.

[pingpongrac]

Barnes has made a lot of plays that don't show up in the box score (like the tip off a missed FT that was scored an OREB for Achiuwa tonight, full-court press that forces a turnover, hounding defence that forces the opposition to dribble the ball out of bounds, etc.) and he has looked like the clear best player on the floor in 2 of 4 games despite a pretty average USG% and 51 TS%. He's just a winning player and I think he'll make more of an impact in his rookie season than most lottery picks that are either too one-dimensional or on teams that they won't get much opportunity.

Also, for a guy that we all knew was very raw offensively, he has looked damn good in SL for stretches and you can see he's just oozing potential on that end. Overall, 15.5 PTS/6.8 REB/3.3 AST/2 BLK/1 STL while only turning the ball over 7 times through 4 games and being +23 is damn impressive.

[everdiso]

Pure beast.

[TheRaptor!]

Barnes has made a lot of plays that don't show up in the box score (like the tip off a missed FT that was scored an OREB for Achiuwa tonight, full-court press that forces a turnover, hounding defence that forces the opposition to dribble the ball out of bounds, etc.) and he has looked like the clear best player on the floor in 2 of 4 games despite a pretty average USG% and 51 TS%. He's just a winning player and I think he'll make more of an impact in his rookie season than most lottery picks that are either too one-dimensional or on teams that they won't get much opportunity.

Also, for a guy that we all knew was very raw offensively, he has looked damn good in SL for stretches and you can see he's just oozing potential on that end. Overall, 15.5 PTS/6.8 REB/3.3 AST/2 BLK/1 STL while only turning the ball over 7 times through 4 games and being +23 is damn impressive.

But Suggs amirite?

Do not ever doubt our championship building front office. They have done it before and will do it again, it wasnt a fluke.

i'm a fan of Barnes. I see more potential in this guy than any other rook we've had since Carter

[canada_dry]

I dunno if anyone has said this comparison but Josh Howard when he played with the mavs I think is one of the closer ones.

Howard was a 6’7 guy with 7’2 wingspan. Good ball handler. Didn’t shoot the 3 till his 4th year as a 26 year old. Scottie is such a unique blend of length, strength and ball handling. He has a good feel for the game but it’s so weird how someone with Scotties measurements and body can look not explosive on the court.

Honestly his shot it gonna come but I’m shocked how a guy with his leaping ability can look like he’s wearing a weight vest most the time

Josh Howard was a well known goofy. Scottie isnt. Thats a big difference. Also scottie is still bigger. Has much more of a playmaking mentality. I don't think its the greatest comparison imo.

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[FluLikeSymptoms]

Really into the physical weeds here, and it may just be the shoes, but his heels are, I don’t know, long? Like they stick out backward more than usual. Please help.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Elbows too pointy? He's massive and mobile and plays to win. The only question now is how is Leo going to handle all his taunting.