Chris Boucher to your team

[Nate the Great]

I don't see Boucher with the value Toronto fans believe.

Same.

Looks like an expiring backup. 2 seconds I could see, but even the late 1sts feel too far. Maybe if enough bad salary went back?

backup? hes universal trade value was moody the 14th pick. not sure why his value is suddenly going down after few months.

Which universe are you referring to? Perhaps one created after the events in the last episode of Loki? Because I don’t recall that being widely agreed on in this universe.

[Texas Chuck]

I like the Coby White idea if Toronto is adding a little value in.

[Saul Goodman]

As the OP I should have mentioned that Bagley deal. That actually seems like a pretty fair deal both teams would like. It’s somewhat like the Trent Powell deal as it helps the raptors add some undervalued youth. If Bagley were to ever turn into Julius Randle over His Jahlil Okafor trajectory it would in Toronto with a ton of versatile defenders and shooters around him.



Bagley/Precious
Pascal/Barnes
OG
Trent
Fred/Flynn

[Godaddycurse]

Why are you limiting the return to 2022 1st only?

Depending on where a team is in the standings, boucher would be a good get for playoff teams such as utah, portland, gsw, boston, or even Chicago/Minny if they surprise us this year.

Boucher made less than tucker did last year and that didnt contenders from adding him. He also makes significantly less than kyle anderson.

Also it seems like raptors will play precious at C. Our 4 big rotation will be birch/precious and siakam/boucher. I wont be surprised if nurse play siakam at the 3 a bit too

Depending on where a team is in the standings, boucher would be a good get for playoff teams such as utah, portland, gsw, boston, or even Chicago/Minny if they surprise us this year.

If Minnesota surprises, then that suggests that their PF (or Center) position is stable enough as is. They weren't in the first round of the 2021 draft and they might be reluctant to send out another first.

Boston wasn't in the first round of the 2021 draft. Depending on how things go with Washington & Beal, Boston might be renouncing some players next summer.

I have no idea about what Portland might do.

Golden State already owes a first to Memphis. Not sure if they would dip into the future again and owe another first.

Utah owes a first to Memphis and a first to OKC.

Chicago owes a first to Orlando and a first to San Antonio.

Minnesota - i would target Reid instead of a pick.
Boston - eating horford + asset(s) for dragic/boucher
Portland - their 2022 1st and DJJ?
GSW - 2022 1st available if they want to make win now push
Utah - Udoka + 2nds?
Chicago - some other posters suggested white whom i'm not enthuased with but he could be worth a late 1st as well

[jayjaysee]

No idea if Dallas would do it, but will toss the idea out there for demonstration purposes because I have it as extremely difficult for Toronto to flip Boucher for a first + expiring salary.


Dallas
Out: Powell + Dallas 2025 first
In: Boucher

Toronto
Out: Boucher
In: Powell + Dallas 2025 first


Powell....$11,000,000......$11,814,815


Dallas gets rid of the final season of the Powell contract and gets Bird Rights for Boucher. Since they have been somewhat hampered by the first round picks owed to NYK, Dallas might not want to send out another first.

Toronto gets a first for Boucher less what needs to be allocated for eating the 2022-23 season on the Powell contract.

Difference is boucher is way more productive than tucker was last year. I raised him as an example for boucher's salary not being an issue (can be easily matched), not that they are the same value. Put it another way, Toronto is eating an extra almost 16M in salary with your swap for Powell. That alone is worth a 1st. Dallas is missing value for the difference in powell and boucher as a player this year as well.

Maybe we need to refresh what Tucker trade actually was?

Milwaukee’s first (one of the best records in the league) swapped for Houston’s 2nd (one of the worst records in the league)

Milwaukee’s 2023 first for Milwaukee’s 2022 first

PJ Tucker (expiring) and Rodions kurucs (no body) for DJ Augustin (extra year at 7 million) and DJ Wilson (no body)

So Tucker actually brought back moving up 7 spots in the draft and cost the team 7 million of DJ Augustin.

[jayjaysee]

Dallas shouldn’t/hopefully wouldn’t tie up their two firsts they can trade for Boucher.

I say two firsts because clearly Dallas wouldn’t send a distant unprotected first out for him right? So the protections would ruin Dallas’ ability trade any firsts.

[Texas Chuck]

Maybe we need to refresh what Tucker trade actually was?

Milwaukee’s first (one of the best records in the league) swapped for Houston’s 2nd (one of the worst records in the league)

Milwaukee’s 2023 first for Milwaukee’s 2022 first

PJ Tucker (expiring) and Rodions kurucs (no body) for DJ Augustin (extra year at 7 million) and DJ Wilson (no body)

So Tucker actually brought back moving up 7 spots in the draft and cost the team 7 million of DJ Augustin.

So Dwight Powell's $11M isn't actually the albatross its always painted as?

I'm also going to regret saying this but I'd rather have one playoff run of PJ Tucker than one season of Boucher. I realize looking at box scores that sounds silly, but I'm definitely not interested in paying any kind of a premium to turn Powell into Boucher.

And to be even more clear Toronto should not trade Boucher for Powell and Dallas spare parts either. Much like the Dragic situation its really hard to structure a deal that includes Powell. Of course in both cases its trivially easy to structure a deal that doesn't require Powell to be sent to Toronto, particularly for Boucher so I wish more people would take that approach.

Still can't make a deal on this board because I think the asking price remains higher than Dallas posters here are willing to pay. I'd not mind having him of course. Being able to play him or Kleber for 48 minutes if desired would be a nice luxury. Just not willing to overpay for that this year when the team is still far from being a legit contender. If Dallas had landed Giannis/healthy Kawhi/maybe even Lowry then okay I'm prepared to start identifying some potential "final pieces", but we aren't there by any means.

[Godaddycurse]

No idea if Dallas would do it, but will toss the idea out there for demonstration purposes because I have it as extremely difficult for Toronto to flip Boucher for a first + expiring salary.


Dallas
Out: Powell + Dallas 2025 first
In: Boucher

Toronto
Out: Boucher
In: Powell + Dallas 2025 first


Powell....$11,000,000......$11,814,815


Dallas gets rid of the final season of the Powell contract and gets Bird Rights for Boucher. Since they have been somewhat hampered by the first round picks owed to NYK, Dallas might not want to send out another first.

Toronto gets a first for Boucher less what needs to be allocated for eating the 2022-23 season on the Powell contract.

Difference is boucher is way more productive than tucker was last year. I raised him as an example for boucher's salary not being an issue (can be easily matched), not that they are the same value. Put it another way, Toronto is eating an extra almost 16M in salary with your swap for Powell. That alone is worth a 1st. Dallas is missing value for the difference in powell and boucher as a player this year as well.

Maybe we need to refresh what Tucker trade actually was?

Milwaukee’s first (one of the best records in the league) swapped for Houston’s 2nd (one of the worst records in the league)

Milwaukee’s 2023 first for Milwaukee’s 2022 first

PJ Tucker (expiring) and Rodions kurucs (no body) for DJ Augustin (extra year at 7 million) and DJ Wilson (no body)

So Tucker actually brought back moving up 7 spots in the draft and cost the team 7 million of DJ Augustin.

both resistance and i understand tucker didn't bring back much. His proposal of powell + 1st is about the same as Augustin + trading up imo. I'm arguing boucher should fetch more than tucker did though.

[Resistance]

Why are you limiting the return to 2022 1st only?

Depending on where a team is in the standings, boucher would be a good get for playoff teams such as utah, portland, gsw, boston, or even Chicago/Minny if they surprise us this year.

Boucher made less than tucker did last year and that didnt contenders from adding him. He also makes significantly less than kyle anderson.

Also it seems like raptors will play precious at C. Our 4 big rotation will be birch/precious and siakam/boucher. I wont be surprised if nurse play siakam at the 3 a bit too

Depending on where a team is in the standings, boucher would be a good get for playoff teams such as utah, portland, gsw, boston, or even Chicago/Minny if they surprise us this year.

If Minnesota surprises, then that suggests that their PF (or Center) position is stable enough as is. They weren't in the first round of the 2021 draft and they might be reluctant to send out another first.

Boston wasn't in the first round of the 2021 draft. Depending on how things go with Washington & Beal, Boston might be renouncing some players next summer.

I have no idea about what Portland might do.

Golden State already owes a first to Memphis. Not sure if they would dip into the future again and owe another first.

Utah owes a first to Memphis and a first to OKC.

Chicago owes a first to Orlando and a first to San Antonio.

Minnesota - i would target Reid instead of a pick.
Boston - eating horford + asset(s) for dragic/boucher
Portland - their 2022 1st and DJJ?
GSW - 2022 1st available if they want to make win now push
Utah - Udoka + 2nds?
Chicago - some other posters suggested white whom i'm not enthuased with but he could be worth a late 1st as well

Reid is $1,930,681 (Not Guaranteed) for 2022-233 while Boucher will need a new contract. If I am Minnesota, then Toronto needs to add a bit of incentive. They experimented a bit with Reid at Center and Towns at PF. Maybe the experiment continues and maybe it doesn't.

Chopping more money would be good for Boston, but they already sacrificed a 2021 first to convert Walker to Horford. I have them in a holding pattern for more major moves until something happens with Beal. If they clear more cap space for 2022 Free Agency and the player(s) that they are desire aren't available, then they will be in a bad spot.

Maybe Portland does it for a full season of Boucher, but I don't have them sending a first at the trade deadline.

Maybe Golden State does it for a full season of Boucher, but I don't have them sending a first at the trade deadline.

Utah already has a heavy team salary with Udoka on a cheap contract. The team salary gets larger for 2022-23 with Boucher on a new contract rather than Udoka on a cheap contract.

No idea about Chicago. With LaVine & Ball starting, White is coming off the bench and it will be harder to build value.

[jayjaysee]

Difference is boucher is way more productive than tucker was last year. I raised him as an example for boucher's salary not being an issue (can be easily matched), not that they are the same value. Put it another way, Toronto is eating an extra almost 16M in salary with your swap for Powell. That alone is worth a 1st. Dallas is missing value for the difference in powell and boucher as a player this year as well.

Maybe we need to refresh what Tucker trade actually was?

Milwaukee’s first (one of the best records in the league) swapped for Houston’s 2nd (one of the worst records in the league)

Milwaukee’s 2023 first for Milwaukee’s 2022 first

PJ Tucker (expiring) and Rodions kurucs (no body) for DJ Augustin (extra year at 7 million) and DJ Wilson (no body)

So Tucker actually brought back moving up 7 spots in the draft and cost the team 7 million of DJ Augustin.

both resistance and i understand tucker didn't bring back much. His proposal of powell + 1st is about the same as Augustin + trading up imo. I'm arguing boucher should fetch more than tucker did though.

I don’t have a first 4 years out and 4 million dollars as similar value as just moving up 7 spots in the draft.

No idea what Dallas is going to put around Luka in the next 4 years or if he’ll be demanding out once they don’t put anybody around him.

Dallas is not in a position to tie up future draft assets unless it’s for someone that can be a 2nd/3rd best player. While I understand that isn’t Toronto’s problem, it is a very real state. But even without Dallas’ specific issues - I don’t see the value being parallel there.

[Texas Chuck]

Dallas is not in a position to tie up future draft assets unless it’s for someone that can be a 2nd/3rd best player. While I understand that isn’t Toronto’s problem, it is a very real state. But even without Dallas’ specific issues - I don’t see the value being parallel there.

Which is why a deal to me looks a lot more like WCS/Gilmore/2nd for Boucher. Or WCS/Terry/2nd for Boucher. And if Dallas needs to send cash to dump WCS somewhere else, whatever.

Or if Toronto really values him too high to take parts like that even without bad money, cool. WCS/Green for Boucher/2nd. And if Toronto doesn't really value Green much I'd not worry about getting a 2nd back.

But I'm with you that a future 1st with appropriate protections just ties Dallas' hands too much for a minor addition.

[Resistance]

Difference is boucher is way more productive than tucker was last year. I raised him as an example for boucher's salary not being an issue (can be easily matched), not that they are the same value. Put it another way, Toronto is eating an extra almost 16M in salary with your swap for Powell. That alone is worth a 1st. Dallas is missing value for the difference in powell and boucher as a player this year as well.

Maybe we need to refresh what Tucker trade actually was?

Milwaukee’s first (one of the best records in the league) swapped for Houston’s 2nd (one of the worst records in the league)

Milwaukee’s 2023 first for Milwaukee’s 2022 first

PJ Tucker (expiring) and Rodions kurucs (no body) for DJ Augustin (extra year at 7 million) and DJ Wilson (no body)

So Tucker actually brought back moving up 7 spots in the draft and cost the team 7 million of DJ Augustin.

both resistance and i understand tucker didn't bring back much. His proposal of powell + 1st is about the same as Augustin + trading up imo. I'm arguing boucher should fetch more than tucker did though.

How hard has Ujiri been marketing Boucher this offseason? Nothing was done in the window around the draft and training camp is just over the horizon.

Golden State patched for the 2020-21 season with Oubre because of the injury to Thompson. Even with the need/desire to patch, Golden State put enough protection on the first that it didn't convert and two seconds were sent to OKC.

November 22, 2020: Traded by the Oklahoma City Thunder to the Golden State Warriors for a 2021 2nd round draft pick (Miles McBride was later selected) and a 2021 2nd round draft pick (Aaron Wiggins was later selected). 2021 2nd-rd pick is DEN own, Golden State also received a trade exception. (2021 1st-rd pick (GSW own) is top 20 protected, will turn into 2021 2nd-rd pick (MIN own) if it does not convey. Did not convey 2021).

#36.....Miles McBride
#55.....Aaron Wiggins


I would expect similar protection put on a first in an offseason trade for Boucher. If it ticks downs to a trade at the deadline, then I don't see a first unless Toronto is also having to take some blah - bad salary.

Some might say that a trade at the deadline

Boucher for first + blah - bad salary

means that Toronto got a first for Boucher. I will break it down into some value for Boucher and some value/compensation for eating blah - bad salary (see DJ Augustin).

[Godaddycurse]

Maybe we need to refresh what Tucker trade actually was?

Milwaukee’s first (one of the best records in the league) swapped for Houston’s 2nd (one of the worst records in the league)

Milwaukee’s 2023 first for Milwaukee’s 2022 first

PJ Tucker (expiring) and Rodions kurucs (no body) for DJ Augustin (extra year at 7 million) and DJ Wilson (no body)

So Tucker actually brought back moving up 7 spots in the draft and cost the team 7 million of DJ Augustin.

both resistance and i understand tucker didn't bring back much. His proposal of powell + 1st is about the same as Augustin + trading up imo. I'm arguing boucher should fetch more than tucker did though.

I don’t have a first 4 years out and 4 million dollars as similar value as just moving up 7 spots in the draft.

Powell is also alot more money to eat than augustin is.

[DroseReturnChi]

I like the Coby White idea if Toronto is adding a little value in.

white has 0 value. hes garbage in a contender a resigned boucher has several times more value.
the only reason white has value is bc toronto is tanking.

[Duffman100]

I like the Coby White idea if Toronto is adding a little value in.

Ditto. Raps need a guard who can sort of create and shoot (at least the potential).

Bulls seemed determined to make the first round.

[Monky15]

Minny - Boucher and a 2nd for Reid and filler.
NOP - Hayes for Boucher.

Both deals Toronto is sending out the more established player but getting a starting C in return.

[ThatBoyNick]

Boucher for Hart S&T?

Then Raps do Dragic for Powell, Green, and Brown

[HomieOmey]

Can he play starting pf defense? I have serious doubts....

When I saw him, he looked like a 3 and D type to me, I don't think his scoring last year is sustainable but he is a mobile and active shot blocker. He can't play center against post up players because he doesn't have the weight and lower body strength to hold post position but next to a guy like Sabonis, he'd be fine.

It's the expiring part that's a problem when you try to trade a guy who has more future potential than he has proven to this point.

I think this is part of the problem. That would work for him, but not for any team. It's been an iffy fit with Turner, who is a far better player and specifically worked on playing that kind of position.

Would Pacers consider a Boucher/Yuta/Dragic for Turner and Lamb swap? Pacers basically roll the dice on Boucher potentially being a better fit while the production from Dragic hopefully makes up for any difference. Yuta is just a young swing who plays defence and provides some potential. They potentially save a lot of long term money if they aren't sold on Turner. Or is Lamb more useful than I give him credit for? I'm really just including him to make the salaries balance out.

[Monky15]

Boucher to Indiana for Goga and filler?

Pacers get a guy who can play with Turner or Sabonis.
Raptors get a young C.

[Resistance]

Boucher to Indiana for Goga and filler?

Pacers get a guy who can play with Turner or Sabonis.
Raptors get a young C.

The Pacers might not want to send Bitadze for a possible rental of Boucher.