Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million

slos · Post #661 » by **slos** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:05 am

OK no team is relying on it’s 15th guy. But there are many teams that invest in upside in their 11-15 spots and maybe one pans out and becomes a long term Top 10 player.

With Thanasis we are burning a spot, but it’s OK since Giannis wants him. I hate though the downplaying talk for these spots. Bucks are thin in available money and should care a lot about developing talent or saving careers with these spots.

raferfenix · Post #662 » by **raferfenix** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:52 am

blazza18 wrote:Outside of being a good locker room presence he's not offering anything. If he was good enough for 10-12 minutes a night we wouldn't be having this discussion and it's honestly a shame that's he's not because his body type would help a lot. It's definitely fine to have a player like him on the roster but you also can't have 3-5 other guys who the coaches don't really want to play either.

If the coaches really didn’t want to play Thanasis, he wouldn’t have played as much as he did in the playoffs.

He does offer energy and defensive hustle which Bud seemed to value at the end of quarters in particular, albeit in short bits.

If giving Thanasis any clock was only a favor to Giannis we could have just brought him in as a victory cigar celebration in blowouts like we did with Diakite.

CharityStripe34 · Post #663 » by **CharityStripe34** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:09 pm

Thanasis is the ultimate victory cigar. He’s probably a beast in practice, has a **** of energy and is a generally positive influence. He also had 20+ in an nba game so at least he is better than many other bench warmers.

Besides if Gianni wants him on the team, he has a spot. Period.

GoldenAntlers · Post #664 » by **GoldenAntlers** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:20 pm

Diggr14 wrote:Hey guys, where would the Bucks be if Jabari hadnt busted his ACL twice? Things would be completely different. Jabari pre-ACL had some promise. It would be interesting to see how Giannis developed - or if it turned into a Marbury/Garnett type of split.

Remember when the Bulls gave him 40 million? Jabari was stealin.

He'd be a fun guy to have as a 9th/10th man though.

I'm curious to learn if Kidd broke Jabari too.

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crowhead76 · Post #665 » by **crowhead76** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:55 pm

Bucks in: Okeke, MCW
Magic in: Pat, Diakite, Nwora

Bucks sign Hartenstein and Cassius Stanley (2way)

Holiday / Hill / MCW
DiVincenzo / Allen / Kalaitzakis
Middleton / Hood / Thanasis / Stanley(2way)
Giannis / Okeke / Ojeleye
Lopez / Portis / Hartenstein / Mamu(2-way)

sidney lanier · Post #666 » by **sidney lanier** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:13 pm

crowhead76 wrote:Bucks in: Okeke, MCW
Magic in: Pat, Diakite, Nwora

Bucks sign Hartenstein and Cassius Stanley (2way)

Holiday / Hill / MCW
DiVincenzo / Allen / Kalaitzakis
Middleton / Hood / Thanasis / Stanley(2way)
Giannis / Okeke / Ojeleye
Lopez / Portis / Hartenstein / Mamu(2-way)

Nightmare on Herb Kohl Way.

Daver · Post #667 » by **Daver** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:23 pm

Anyone surprised horst hasnt given bud an extension yet.Hard to imagine him being a lane duck coach next year.Or does he still have a couple years left

Beorn · Post #668 » by **Beorn** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:34 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:I'm guessing Bryant is released and theb signed to a 2 way.

How much do 2-ways earn? 250k? He will get ~4 times that amount of money in EL.

As far Thanasis is concerned:
We used to be laughing that he was in an NBA roster, since he was a marginal EL player before joining the Bucks.
It's really cool (And unlikely) that he has improved to the point that he is a legit NBA player, I wish him best luck

Matches Malone · Post #669 » by **Matches Malone** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:39 pm

Daver wrote:Anyone surprised horst hasnt given bud an extension yet.Hard to imagine him being a lane duck coach next year.Or does he still have a couple years left

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Lasry ends up hiring a coach he wants after the year. Would look really dumb to fire the coach who just won the Championship, but I always got the sense they aren't long for Bud. He probably should get an extension, but I could also see them letting it expire and hiring someone like Charles Lee for cheaper.

LittleRooster · Post #670 » by **LittleRooster** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:37 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
Daver wrote:Anyone surprised horst hasnt given bud an extension yet.Hard to imagine him being a lane duck coach next year.Or does he still have a couple years left

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Lasry ends up hiring a coach he wants after the year. Would look really dumb to fire the coach who just won the Championship, but I always got the sense they aren't long for Bud. He probably should get an extension, but I could also see them letting it expire and hiring someone like Charles Lee for cheaper.

That’d be crazy

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Ron Swanson · Post #671 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:48 pm

Those Lakers championship teams in the 2000’s always had dudes like Mark Madsen, DJ MBenga, Adam Morrison, and Luke Walton on the end of their bench. Thanasis is better than any of those scrubs.

WRau1 · Post #672 » by **WRau1** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:54 pm

Absolutely nothing wrong with a guy like Thanasis at the end of your bench, being brought in for instant energy and spot defensive duties.

emunney · Post #673 » by **emunney** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:55 pm

GoldenAntlers wrote:
Diggr14 wrote:Hey guys, where would the Bucks be if Jabari hadnt busted his ACL twice? Things would be completely different. Jabari pre-ACL had some promise. It would be interesting to see how Giannis developed - or if it turned into a Marbury/Garnett type of split.

Remember when the Bulls gave him 40 million? Jabari was stealin.

He'd be a fun guy to have as a 9th/10th man though.
I'm curious to learn if Kidd broke Jabari too.

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Dudley essentially said he did in a pod with Kane. Not sure if it was LOB or Kane's pre-LOB pod.

Nightfall · Post #674 » by **Nightfall** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:58 pm

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emunney · Post #675 » by **emunney** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:06 pm

You obviously love Thanasis' energy but it's a bit of a double edged sword. If he played with discipline and control he could be a premier defender. It's just not who he is.

It's too bad the NBA isn't a footrace because I'm convinced he'd dust anybody in the league in the 100m dash.

raferfenix · Post #676 » by **raferfenix** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:24 pm

“Thanasis brings energy, effort and tenacity every minute of every game,” said Bucks General Manager Jon Horst. “He’s a valuable part of our team and we’re excited to have him remain in Milwaukee.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/amp/bucks/news/milwaukee-bucks-re-signed-thanasis-antetokounmpo

Matches Malone · Post #677 » by **Matches Malone** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:52 pm

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skones · Post #678 » by **skones** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:05 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
skones wrote:
BigO wrote:Thanasis is definitely an NBA talent, especially on defense. They should be grooming him to be a stopper and improve his 3 point shot.
Tucker never dribbled the ball or initiated the offense. If Thanasis could follow that pattern and cut down on his turnovers, he has a place in the rotation.

Yes, never a better time to groom a guy to be a stopper and suddenly improve his three point shot than when he just turns 29 years old.

Tucker didn't make the NBA until he was 27, and didn't become good until he was 28. He continued to be good until through age 34.

PJ Tucker was a much better player at 27 than Thanasis is now AND he's an outlier. It's baffling that you'd sit there and think that that's an applicable developmental path.

ShootingtheJ · Post #679 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:12 pm

skones wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
skones wrote:
Yes, never a better time to groom a guy to be a stopper and suddenly improve his three point shot than when he just turns 29 years old.

Tucker didn't make the NBA until he was 27, and didn't become good until he was 28. He continued to be good until through age 34.

PJ Tucker was a much better player at 27 than Thanasis is now AND he's an outlier. It's baffling that you'd sit there and think that that's an applicable developmental path.

PJ wasn't good yet at 27, so it's a real hyperbole to say he was much better than anyone.

Both players are similar height, strength, quickness, effort level. Thanasis fouls too much, and is too undisciplined in his whole game.

Ojeleye is a the more positive comparison.

skones · Post #680 » by **skones** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:18 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
skones wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Tucker didn't make the NBA until he was 27, and didn't become good until he was 28. He continued to be good until through age 34.

PJ Tucker was a much better player at 27 than Thanasis is now AND he's an outlier. It's baffling that you'd sit there and think that that's an applicable developmental path.

PJ wasn't good yet at 27, so it's a real hyperbole to say he was much better than anyone.

Both players are similar height, strength, quickness, effort level. Thanasis fouls too much, and is too undisciplined in his whole game.

Ojeleye is a the more positive comparison.

No, it's not real hyperbole. Tucker was a highly productive player overseas prior to his second turn in the NBA. Like I said, your trying to pigeonhole this as an applicable developmental route is baffling. It reeks of homerism. You don't just put an athlete on the floor and get PJ Tucker. Basketball brains matter.

Any other player in the NBA, at 29 years old, and we'd be sitting there saying, he is what he is. We wouldn't be talking about his developmental track, because it defies logic.