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Re: Jalen Harris signs with Italian team 1 year deal 

Post#21 » by kalel123 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:40 pm

ruckus wrote:I'm a little confused. The league and team frame it like he's suspended for the year so that he can get the help he needs. How does going to Italy to play ball help him?

If the suspension is to punish him (for whatever reason) then just say that plain and simple and don't dress it up as doing Jalen a favour or looking out for his best interests.

Obviously, I don't have all the info so maybe he already got the help and is just working through the suspension?


I don't know how much hand holding there would be. But there are guidelines for him to follow in terms of what's required for reinstatement based on what I read a while back. If he can follow that while playing ball in Italy so he's not totally out of it basketball-wise, more power to him.
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Re: Jalen Harris signs with Italian team 1 year deal 

Post#22 » by Ganjamayne » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:40 pm

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Bruh he got caught for different type of drugs


I never saw and am now really curious as it makes a huge difference. What drugs was he caught with / tested positive for ?


Read on Twitter

here's the list


That doesn't say what he got busted for tho lol. That's just a list of banned drugs.
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Post#23 » by mdenny » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:42 pm

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NotMyKawhi wrote:So if you get caught cheating you can just go to another league?

As someone who watched MMA for a long time, if you were to get caught for cheating in the UFC, then went to fight else where in the world? They would never let you come back and fight in America! Ever!


Bruh he got caught for different type of drugs


I never saw and am now really curious as it makes a huge difference. What drugs was he caught with / tested positive for ?


The league is not allowed to disclose but he was penalized under the recreational drug rule. Not the performance enhancing one.

The league is too harsh on recreational drugs imo. Players are gonna do them regardless so it becomes a game of "not getting caught" more than anything else. Noone who would otherwiae do these drugs...doesnt because of the rule. Thats not how drugs and drug addiction work.

Being that he's from texas it's likely it was some form of opiate. They love their codeine syrup down there. Cocaine is always a possibility but it leaves the body REALLY fast. Opiates stick around in your body alot longer so it's easier to catch ppl through testing.
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Re: Jalen Harris signs with Italian team 1 year deal 

Post#24 » by kalel123 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:43 pm

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LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:We still have his rights though?

raptors waived him, if NBA lets him come back to NBA he will be ufa.


Is there an article regarding this? It cost nothing for Raptors to retain his rights, I doubt they'd renounce it considering they've been keeping rights to guys like Nando De Colo for years and years.
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Post#25 » by mdenny » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:49 pm

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LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:We still have his rights though?

raptors waived him, if NBA lets him come back to NBA he will be ufa.


Is there an article regarding this? It cost nothing for Raptors to retain his rights, I doubt they'd renounce it considering they've been keeping rights to guys like Nando De Colo for years and years.


Damn it's true. i didnt know we waived him a day after the suspension. Too bad we lost him. Maybe they didnt like the details behind the scenes. So basically, he's not gonna be a raptor:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/suspended-jalen-harris-signs-with-italian-team.html
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Re: Jalen Harris signs with Italian team 1 year deal 

Post#26 » by kalel123 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:56 pm

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navyblue wrote:raptors waived him, if NBA lets him come back to NBA he will be ufa.


Is there an article regarding this? It cost nothing for Raptors to retain his rights, I doubt they'd renounce it considering they've been keeping rights to guys like Nando De Colo for years and years.


Damn it's true. i didnt know we waived him a day after the suspension. Too bad we lost him. Maybe they didnt like the details behind the scenes. So basically, he's not gonna be a raptor:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/suspended-jalen-harris-signs-with-italian-team.html


That's certainly a surprise. Then I have to think he might have been doing one of more serious drugs for them to go out of their way to waive him since they like to keep all doors open based on past behaviour. That and/or the details behind the scenes wasn't very favorable as you say.
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Post#27 » by MixxSRC » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:59 pm

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MixxSRC wrote:
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I never saw and am now really curious as it makes a huge difference. What drugs was he caught with / tested positive for ?


Read on Twitter

here's the list


That doesn't say what he got busted for tho lol. That's just a list of banned drugs.


They will never reveal it but they found him with something out of that list
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Re: Jalen Harris signs with Italian team 1 year deal 

Post#28 » by mdenny » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:02 pm

MixxSRC wrote:
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Read on Twitter

here's the list


That doesn't say what he got busted for tho lol. That's just a list of banned drugs.


They will never reveal it but they found him with something out of that list


It's against the CBA for them to reveal it. The raps would get heavily sanctioned by the player's union if they did.
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Post#29 » by ItsDanger » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:04 pm

Half that list is used as pain management in medical practice. Not in favour of waiving a guy that fast. This is more likely management doesn't want any risk whatsoever, its a zero tolerance policy basically. Kick anyone to the curb for any mistake? Never been my style and I think their approach here is disappointing.
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Re: Jalen Harris signs with Italian team 1 year deal 

Post#30 » by DatHomieYouHaTe » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:09 pm

kalel123 wrote:
mdenny wrote:
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Is there an article regarding this? It cost nothing for Raptors to retain his rights, I doubt they'd renounce it considering they've been keeping rights to guys like Nando De Colo for years and years.


Damn it's true. i didnt know we waived him a day after the suspension. Too bad we lost him. Maybe they didnt like the details behind the scenes. So basically, he's not gonna be a raptor:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/suspended-jalen-harris-signs-with-italian-team.html


That's certainly a surprise. Then I have to think he might have been doing one of more serious drugs for them to go out of their way to waive him since they like to keep all doors open based on past behaviour. That and/or the details behind the scenes wasn't very favorable as you say.


According to Realgm? lol that has to be a mistake.
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Post#31 » by mdenny » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:09 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Half that list is used as pain management in medical practice. Not in favour of waiving a guy that fast. This is more likely management doesn't want any risk whatsoever, its a zero tolerance policy basically. Kick anyone to the curb for any mistake? Never been my style and I think their approach here is disappointing.



It depeneds on the circumstances. If he's a syrup drinker (i think the kids call it "purp drink" or something like that) then it's likely an everyday habit. Easier to hide then other drugs but the problem is you can't go a day without it or else u get sick. Which means constant maintenance. Travelling with it. Etc. Could be that his roommate and the team doctors started wondering why every road trip he got really grumpy, couldnt sleep and got a runny nose with watering eyes. You can hide opiate use but you can't hide the withdrawals.

I doubt they would waive him if something popped up in a blood test as a one-time thing. It was probably an on-going problem. If they enforced this rule THAT strictly then i'm sure half the league would get suspended.
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Post#32 » by ItsDanger » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:16 pm

mdenny wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Half that list is used as pain management in medical practice. Not in favour of waiving a guy that fast. This is more likely management doesn't want any risk whatsoever, its a zero tolerance policy basically. Kick anyone to the curb for any mistake? Never been my style and I think their approach here is disappointing.



It depeneds on the circumstances. If he's a syrup drinker (i think the kids call it "purp drink" or something like that) then it's likely an everyday habit. Easier to hide then other drugs but the problem is you can't go a day without it or else u get sick. Which means constant maintenance. Travelling with it. Etc.

I doubt they would waive him if something popped up in a blood test as a one-time thing. It was probably an on-going problem. If they enforced this rule THAT strictly then i'm sure half the league would get suspended.

A regular user would have been noticed by coaching staff, very difficult to hide. The highs and lows are too obvious. But we don't know what the substance was. Athletes using pain management is common. I question assuming we should just trust management that it was more serious than we know. The pattern to date suggests they eliminate any PR issues as soon as possible.
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Post#33 » by mdenny » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:25 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
mdenny wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Half that list is used as pain management in medical practice. Not in favour of waiving a guy that fast. This is more likely management doesn't want any risk whatsoever, its a zero tolerance policy basically. Kick anyone to the curb for any mistake? Never been my style and I think their approach here is disappointing.



It depeneds on the circumstances. If he's a syrup drinker (i think the kids call it "purp drink" or something like that) then it's likely an everyday habit. Easier to hide then other drugs but the problem is you can't go a day without it or else u get sick. Which means constant maintenance. Travelling with it. Etc.

I doubt they would waive him if something popped up in a blood test as a one-time thing. It was probably an on-going problem. If they enforced this rule THAT strictly then i'm sure half the league would get suspended.

A regular user would have been noticed by coaching staff, very difficult to hide. The highs and lows are too obvious. But we don't know what the substance was. Athletes using pain management is common. I question assuming we should just trust management that it was more serious than we know. The pattern to date suggests they eliminate any PR issues as soon as possible.


End of day.....he's got an extremely rich amd powerful union looking out for his legal interests. There is 0% chance this was some sort of unfair thing where he was taking prescribed painkillers. The union would grieve the suspension if his case was anything except for obvious and serious. I doubt the league could even getting away with doing this if a player decides to do coke in vegas one night. The union wouldn't let them be that unreasonable.

It's also likely that there were efforts made before it got to this. Ie warnings, offerings for help. Its happened so infrequently for a reason. Im sure lots of players mess around with drugs on that list and occsionally get talked to about it without the suspension being handed down.

The highs and lows of coke and speed are impossible to hide. Not really true with opiates except for when someone is an absolute fiend. Its easy to hide as long as u dont go through withdrawals. Much easier to hide than even alchoholism.
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Re: Jalen Harris signs with Italian team 1 year deal 

Post#34 » by Dennis 37 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:33 pm

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Damn it's true. i didnt know we waived him a day after the suspension. Too bad we lost him. Maybe they didnt like the details behind the scenes. So basically, he's not gonna be a raptor:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/suspended-jalen-harris-signs-with-italian-team.html


That's certainly a surprise. Then I have to think he might have been doing one of more serious drugs for them to go out of their way to waive him since they like to keep all doors open based on past behaviour. That and/or the details behind the scenes wasn't very favorable as you say.


According to Realgm? lol that has to be a mistake.


If he was waived, we would have seen an official announcement. I doubt the accuracy of the source. They say he was waived but no other reporter picks it up and repeats it in these click-bait times? Don't think so.

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Post#35 » by mdenny » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:41 pm

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That's certainly a surprise. Then I have to think he might have been doing one of more serious drugs for them to go out of their way to waive him since they like to keep all doors open based on past behaviour. That and/or the details behind the scenes wasn't very favorable as you say.


According to Realgm? lol that has to be a mistake.


If he was waived, we would have seen an official announcement. I doubt the accuracy of the source. They say he was waived but no other reporter picks it up and repeats it in these click-bait times? Don't think so.

If we have kept DeColo for ever, then there is no reason not to hold on to his contract. It is an asset.


The source wasnt realgm but you could be right. I cant find confirmation anywhere else. I hope they didn't waive him.
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Post#36 » by Kris_Banks » Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:42 pm

It would be terrible if they waived him. They wouldn't waive a star player if they were on drugs so they shouldn't treat a backup any differently. They did the same thing to Terence Davis by benching him, I hope Jalen Harris comes back and burns the Raptors just like Davis did.
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Post#38 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:16 pm

    NotMyKawhi wrote:So if you get caught cheating you can just go to another league?

    As someone who watched MMA for a long time, if you were to get caught for cheating in the UFC, then went to fight else where in the world? They would never let you come back and fight in America! Ever!


    Maybe the rules are harsh like when Ricky Williams got NFL bannished and the Argos signed him? Back then Cannabis was all badness. We don't even know what Harris actually did so describing this as "cheating" might not be factual.
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    Post#39 » by rrdjutriurt » Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:38 pm

    Just really happy for him. This gives him the opportunity to continue to develop his game playing in a men's league rather then losing a development year. He has such smooth handles and has great guard potential. He should also be able to prove he can stay on the good side of NBA protocol with no positive tests if the Raps enforce testing during his season there.
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    Post#40 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:30 pm

    Good luck to him. We have his rights. Let him develop his game overseas. If he gets better we can always sign him later
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