The too early Suggs vs. Barnes thread

[Pointgod]

Such rubbish about Harden in here. He was a blue chip prospect expected to go top 5, went 3rd, and had better upside as a scorer than Suggs by any report, especially as an iso scorer and iso shooter. Just because he was 6th man on a stacked team before reaching his potential in Houston means nothing.

As for Curry, if everyone knew where the league was going with 3 point shooting,he would have gone way higher as he was one of the better pure shooting prospects ever. He was the leading college scorer, period and it was so far past where any of this years prospects were.

The league was still focused on bigs, and all you have to do is look at that draft and see how many were taken that were terrible.

And it's **** hilarious to spout off about Suggs work ethic while simultaneously ignoring the fact that its Barnes strength and one of the main reasons he was drafted higher. If you were drafting on work ethic alone you take Barnes or Mitchell.

Just so much trash revision of history.

You literally just contradicted your own argument.

The league is going smaller and towards shooting, yet the Raptors took a player who can't shoot and whose main selling point is his size/length.

If two players have great work ethic, but one player is already much more skilled and developed who would you take?

this is false. The league is getting bigger. Stagnation has happened at the 5 spot, but 1-4 is growing in height.

Unless I’m reading this wrong the increase in average height seems to be coming from the PG and SG positions, which would favor Suggs because he’s above average height for a PG.

[OhCanada1091]

You literally just contradicted your own argument.

The league is going smaller and towards shooting, yet the Raptors took a player who can't shoot and whose main selling point is his size/length.

If two players have great work ethic, but one player is already much more skilled and developed who would you take?

this is false. The league is getting bigger. Stagnation has happened at the 5 spot, but 1-4 is growing in height.

Unless I’m reading this wrong the increase in average height seems to be coming from the PG and SG positions, which would favor Suggs because he’s above average height for a PG.

Graphs like this literally mean nothing. Raptors won a championship with Lowry and Van Vleet at PG...

[mrsocko]

Barnes looked great in the last summer league game. Brought the Raps back for a win. 23 points. He looked like a man amongst boys. Big

[everdiso]

Cunningham: 27.7mpg, 18.7pts (42.9%), 5.7rb, 2.3ast/4.0to, 1.7st/1.3bk
Green 24.1mpg, 20.3pts (51.4%), 4.3rb, 2.0ast/2.3to, 0.3st/0.0bk
Mobley 28.9mpg, 11.3pts (34.9%), 7.7rb, 3.0ast/3.3to, 0.7st/1.7bk
Suggs 21.8mpg, 15.3ptz (41.5%), 6.3rb, 2.3adt/2.3to, 1.7st/1.0bk
Barnes 27.3mpg, 15.5pts (41.2%), 6.8rb, 3.3ast/1.8to, 1.0st/2.0bk
Kuminga 28.0mpg, 17.3pts (36.2%), 5.7rb, 1.3ast/2.3to, 1.7st/0.7bk

[Chandan]

I didnt feel like Barnes scored 23 tonight. But he did, and I that's a good thing.

[Lukeem]

Cunningham: 27.7mpg, 18.7pts (42.9%), 5.7rb, 2.3ast/4.0to, 1.7st/1.3bk
Green 24.1mpg, 20.3pts (51.4%), 4.3rb, 2.0ast/2.3to, 0.3st/0.0bk
Mobley 28.9mpg, 11.3pts (34.9%), 7.7rb, 3.0ast/3.3to, 0.7st/1.7bk
Suggs 21.8mpg, 15.3ptz (41.5%), 6.3rb, 2.3adt/2.3to, 1.7st/1.0bk
Barnes 27.3mpg, 15.5pts (41.2%), 6.8rb, 3.3ast/1.8to, 1.0st/2.0bk
Kuminga 28.0mpg, 17.3pts (36.2%), 5.7rb, 1.3ast/2.3to, 1.7st/0.7bk

So Barnes only one with more assists than turnovers (and almost twice as many)

Around the middle for scoring / efficiency

And a the top in defensive numbers with eye test there being even more kind I me to him there

[bargnani]

Cunningham: 27.7mpg, 18.7pts (42.9%), 5.7rb, 2.3ast/4.0to, 1.7st/1.3bk
Green 24.1mpg, 20.3pts (51.4%), 4.3rb, 2.0ast/2.3to, 0.3st/0.0bk
Mobley 28.9mpg, 11.3pts (34.9%), 7.7rb, 3.0ast/3.3to, 0.7st/1.7bk
Suggs 21.8mpg, 15.3ptz (41.5%), 6.3rb, 2.3adt/2.3to, 1.7st/1.0bk
Barnes 27.3mpg, 15.5pts (41.2%), 6.8rb, 3.3ast/1.8to, 1.0st/2.0bk
Kuminga 28.0mpg, 17.3pts (36.2%), 5.7rb, 1.3ast/2.3to, 1.7st/0.7bk

So Barnes only one with more assists than turnovers (and almost twice as many)

Around the middle for scoring / efficiency

And a the top in defensive numbers with eye test there being even more kind I me to him there

Which is why if there was a draft do-over it would be..

1. Barnes
2. Cunningham
3. Green
4. Suggs
5. Mobley

[LastNameEver]

Scottie has a motor similar to Lowry, which is probably his best quality at the moment.
A high motor is sometimes the difference between becoming above average and great.

[TDotAllStar]

It’s comical how much Suggs reputation on this board changed as soon as Masai picked Scottie. If anyone had come to the board and said Masai was gonna pick Barnes, they would have been called a troll, and that was before many realized how far he had to go offensively.

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Bring it.

That thread poll showed Barnes at 7% and Suggs at 40% and this thread poll has Barnes at 57% and Suggs at 43%. That swing kind of proves the point of being post you were responding to that the opinion on Suggs completely changed as soon as Masai made the pick.

I don’t get why it matters. I was 100% on the Suggs train but we took Barnes so i’m going to ride and root for OUR player. I voted Suggs before but i’m a Raptors fan so Barnes is my guy now and i’m trusting our FO.

[everdiso]

Cunningham: 27.7mpg, 18.7pts (42.9%), 5.7rb, 2.3ast/4.0to, 1.7st/1.3bk
Green 24.1mpg, 20.3pts (51.4%), 4.3rb, 2.0ast/2.3to, 0.3st/0.0bk
Mobley 28.9mpg, 11.3pts (34.9%), 7.7rb, 3.0ast/3.3to, 0.7st/1.7bk
Suggs 21.8mpg, 15.3ptz (41.5%), 6.3rb, 2.3adt/2.3to, 1.7st/1.0bk
Barnes 27.3mpg, 15.5pts (41.2%), 6.8rb, 3.3ast/1.8to, 1.0st/2.0bk
Kuminga 28.0mpg, 17.3pts (36.2%), 5.7rb, 1.3ast/2.3to, 1.7st/0.7bk

Per 36

Cade 24.3pts (42.9%), 7.4rb (1.3off), 3.0ast/5.2to, 2.2st/1.7bk
Green 30.3pts (51.4%), 6.4rb (0.5off), 3.0ast/3.4to, 0.5st/0.0bk
Mobley 14.1pts (34.9%), 9.6rb (3.4off), 3.7ast/4.1to, 0.9st/2.1bk
Barnes 20.4pts (41.2%), 9.0rb (3.3off), 4.4ast/2.4to, 1.3st/2.6bk
Suggs 25.3pts (41.5%), 10.4rb (2.2off), 3.8ast/3.8to, 2.8st/1.7bk

Giddey* 14.1pts (33.3%), 0.0rb (0.0off), 0.0ast/0.0to, 0.0st/0.9bk
Kuminga 22.2pts (36.2%), 7.3rb (1.3off), 1.7ast/3.0to, 2.2st/0.9bk
Wagner 10.7pts (40.0%), 6.8rb (1.2off), 1.7ast/3.4to, 1.7st/0.5bk
Mitchell 19.1pts (53.1%), 2.4rb (0.4off), 8.0ast/1.8to, 1.8st/0.4bk <---
Williams 16.2pts (43.8%), 5.4rb (1.8off), 1.0ast/2.3to, 1.4st/0.4bk
Bouknight 21.0pts (45.0%), 3.5rb (0.4off), 4.8ast/4.4to, 1.0st/1.0bk
Primo 10.7pts (27.3%), 2.7rb (0.0off), 2.7ast/5.4to, 2.7st/0.0bk
Duarte 24.4pts (45.6%), 5.3rb (0.7off), 5.1ast/4.4to, 3.3st/2.4bk <---
Moody 25.4pts (40.9%), 4.5rb (1.1off), 1.5ast/1.5to, 1.9st/0.5bk
Kispert 10.0pts (30.4%), 1.8rb (0.0off), 1.2ast/1.8to, 0.6st/0.0bk
Sengun 21.3pts (41.2%), 15.6rb (4.7off), 4.3ast/2.8to, 1.8st/4.3bk <---

[bluerap23]

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Bring it.

That thread poll showed Barnes at 7% and Suggs at 40% and this thread poll has Barnes at 57% and Suggs at 43%. That swing kind of proves the point of being post you were responding to that the opinion on Suggs completely changed as soon as Masai made the pick.

I don’t get why it matters. I was 100% on the Suggs train but we took Barnes so i’m going to ride and root for OUR player. I voted Suggs before but i’m a Raptors fan so Barnes is my guy now and i’m trusting our FO.

Sorry, if you wanted Suggs it means you now have to leave the board and go become a magic fan.

[TDotAllStar]

That thread poll showed Barnes at 7% and Suggs at 40% and this thread poll has Barnes at 57% and Suggs at 43%. That swing kind of proves the point of being post you were responding to that the opinion on Suggs completely changed as soon as Masai made the pick.

I don’t get why it matters. I was 100% on the Suggs train but we took Barnes so i’m going to ride and root for OUR player. I voted Suggs before but i’m a Raptors fan so Barnes is my guy now and i’m trusting our FO.

Sorry, if you wanted Suggs it means you now have to leave the board and go become a magic fan.

Welcome to RealGM! The only place where if you support your draft pick, you’re an idiot!

[Pointgod]

viewtopic.php?p=92785136#p92785136

Bring it.

That thread poll showed Barnes at 7% and Suggs at 40% and this thread poll has Barnes at 57% and Suggs at 43%. That swing kind of proves the point of being post you were responding to that the opinion on Suggs completely changed as soon as Masai made the pick.

I don’t get why it matters. I was 100% on the Suggs train but we took Barnes so i’m going to ride and root for OUR player. I voted Suggs before but i’m a Raptors fan so Barnes is my guy now and i’m trusting our FO.

It matters in terms of having an intellectually honest discussion when evaluating players, otherwise why bother even responding if you’re just going to be a blind homer? It may be news to people on this board but you can objectively look at players in other teams and still root for our players. There’s a high probability that Barnes isn’t going to be the best player in the draft next season and there are going to be players that were selected after him that have better seasons, but that doesn’t mean that we should have selected a lot of those players over Barnes, especially when he’s going to be a project. So it’s okay to say that those players are better then Barnes at the moment, but still root for Barnes to do well. I come to this board to talk basketball with like minded fans, not mindlessly praise the team like a cult.

[Pointgod]

Cunningham: 27.7mpg, 18.7pts (42.9%), 5.7rb, 2.3ast/4.0to, 1.7st/1.3bk
Green 24.1mpg, 20.3pts (51.4%), 4.3rb, 2.0ast/2.3to, 0.3st/0.0bk
Mobley 28.9mpg, 11.3pts (34.9%), 7.7rb, 3.0ast/3.3to, 0.7st/1.7bk
Suggs 21.8mpg, 15.3ptz (41.5%), 6.3rb, 2.3adt/2.3to, 1.7st/1.0bk
Barnes 27.3mpg, 15.5pts (41.2%), 6.8rb, 3.3ast/1.8to, 1.0st/2.0bk
Kuminga 28.0mpg, 17.3pts (36.2%), 5.7rb, 1.3ast/2.3to, 1.7st/0.7bk

Per 36

Cade 24.3pts (42.9%), 7.4rb (1.3off), 3.0ast/5.2to, 2.2st/1.7bk
Green 30.3pts (51.4%), 6.4rb (0.5off), 3.0ast/3.4to, 0.5st/0.0bk
Mobley 14.1pts (34.9%), 9.6rb (3.4off), 3.7ast/4.1to, 0.9st/2.1bk
Barnes 20.4pts (41.2%), 9.0rb (3.3off), 4.4ast/2.4to, 1.3st/2.6bk
Suggs 25.3pts (41.5%), 10.4rb (2.2off), 3.8ast/3.8to, 2.8st/1.7bk

Giddey* 14.1pts (33.3%), 0.0rb (0.0off), 0.0ast/0.0to, 0.0st/0.9bk
Kuminga 22.2pts (36.2%), 7.3rb (1.3off), 1.7ast/3.0to, 2.2st/0.9bk
Wagner 10.7pts (40.0%), 6.8rb (1.2off), 1.7ast/3.4to, 1.7st/0.5bk
Mitchell 19.1pts (53.1%), 2.4rb (0.4off), 8.0ast/1.8to, 1.8st/0.4bk <---
Williams 16.2pts (43.8%), 5.4rb (1.8off), 1.0ast/2.3to, 1.4st/0.4bk
Bouknight 21.0pts (45.0%), 3.5rb (0.4off), 4.8ast/4.4to, 1.0st/1.0bk
Primo 10.7pts (27.3%), 2.7rb (0.0off), 2.7ast/5.4to, 2.7st/0.0bk
Duarte 24.4pts (45.6%), 5.3rb (0.7off), 5.1ast/4.4to, 3.3st/2.4bk <---
Moody 25.4pts (40.9%), 4.5rb (1.1off), 1.5ast/1.5to, 1.9st/0.5bk
Kispert 10.0pts (30.4%), 1.8rb (0.0off), 1.2ast/1.8to, 0.6st/0.0bk
Sengun 21.3pts (41.2%), 15.6rb (4.7off), 4.3ast/2.8to, 1.8st/4.3bk <---

This shows how useless summer league stats are. Both Green and Suggs didn’t play a whole half and haven’t played a game since getting injured so that significantly decreases their stats. Giddey played like 3 minutes before he got injured and he hasn’t played since. This at doesn’t even include guys like Cam Thomas, Jalen Johnson and Sharif Cooper who have been balling out in summer league but are on playoff teams. You actually have to watch the games because the box scores don’t tell you much.

[Los_29]

Cunningham: 27.7mpg, 18.7pts (42.9%), 5.7rb, 2.3ast/4.0to, 1.7st/1.3bk
Green 24.1mpg, 20.3pts (51.4%), 4.3rb, 2.0ast/2.3to, 0.3st/0.0bk
Mobley 28.9mpg, 11.3pts (34.9%), 7.7rb, 3.0ast/3.3to, 0.7st/1.7bk
Suggs 21.8mpg, 15.3ptz (41.5%), 6.3rb, 2.3adt/2.3to, 1.7st/1.0bk
Barnes 27.3mpg, 15.5pts (41.2%), 6.8rb, 3.3ast/1.8to, 1.0st/2.0bk
Kuminga 28.0mpg, 17.3pts (36.2%), 5.7rb, 1.3ast/2.3to, 1.7st/0.7bk

Per 36

Cade 24.3pts (42.9%), 7.4rb (1.3off), 3.0ast/5.2to, 2.2st/1.7bk
Green 30.3pts (51.4%), 6.4rb (0.5off), 3.0ast/3.4to, 0.5st/0.0bk
Mobley 14.1pts (34.9%), 9.6rb (3.4off), 3.7ast/4.1to, 0.9st/2.1bk
Barnes 20.4pts (41.2%), 9.0rb (3.3off), 4.4ast/2.4to, 1.3st/2.6bk
Suggs 25.3pts (41.5%), 10.4rb (2.2off), 3.8ast/3.8to, 2.8st/1.7bk

Giddey* 14.1pts (33.3%), 0.0rb (0.0off), 0.0ast/0.0to, 0.0st/0.9bk
Kuminga 22.2pts (36.2%), 7.3rb (1.3off), 1.7ast/3.0to, 2.2st/0.9bk
Wagner 10.7pts (40.0%), 6.8rb (1.2off), 1.7ast/3.4to, 1.7st/0.5bk
Mitchell 19.1pts (53.1%), 2.4rb (0.4off), 8.0ast/1.8to, 1.8st/0.4bk <---
Williams 16.2pts (43.8%), 5.4rb (1.8off), 1.0ast/2.3to, 1.4st/0.4bk
Bouknight 21.0pts (45.0%), 3.5rb (0.4off), 4.8ast/4.4to, 1.0st/1.0bk
Primo 10.7pts (27.3%), 2.7rb (0.0off), 2.7ast/5.4to, 2.7st/0.0bk
Duarte 24.4pts (45.6%), 5.3rb (0.7off), 5.1ast/4.4to, 3.3st/2.4bk <---
Moody 25.4pts (40.9%), 4.5rb (1.1off), 1.5ast/1.5to, 1.9st/0.5bk
Kispert 10.0pts (30.4%), 1.8rb (0.0off), 1.2ast/1.8to, 0.6st/0.0bk
Sengun 21.3pts (41.2%), 15.6rb (4.7off), 4.3ast/2.8to, 1.8st/4.3bk <---

This shows how useless summer league stats are. Both Green and Suggs didn’t play a whole half and haven’t played a game since getting injured so that significantly decreases their stats. Giddey played like 3 minutes before he got injured and he hasn’t played since. This at doesn’t even include guys like Cam Thomas, Jalen Johnson and Sharif Cooper who have been balling out in summer league but are on playoff teams. You actually have to watch the games because the box scores don’t tell you much.

Barnes also got dinged up and was hobbling around the court for a quarter. And Green and Suggs have averaged a whopping THREE and FIVE less minutes than Barnes. And he's using PER 36 minutes. So Green and Suggs playing less minutes actually don't matter at all.

And NOW you're calling Summer League stats useless but three days ago you were making a list of the top 10 players in Summer League. lol

[GordanFreeman]

Per 36

Cade 24.3pts (42.9%), 7.4rb (1.3off), 3.0ast/5.2to, 2.2st/1.7bk
Green 30.3pts (51.4%), 6.4rb (0.5off), 3.0ast/3.4to, 0.5st/0.0bk
Mobley 14.1pts (34.9%), 9.6rb (3.4off), 3.7ast/4.1to, 0.9st/2.1bk
Barnes 20.4pts (41.2%), 9.0rb (3.3off), 4.4ast/2.4to, 1.3st/2.6bk
Suggs 25.3pts (41.5%), 10.4rb (2.2off), 3.8ast/3.8to, 2.8st/1.7bk

Giddey* 14.1pts (33.3%), 0.0rb (0.0off), 0.0ast/0.0to, 0.0st/0.9bk
Kuminga 22.2pts (36.2%), 7.3rb (1.3off), 1.7ast/3.0to, 2.2st/0.9bk
Wagner 10.7pts (40.0%), 6.8rb (1.2off), 1.7ast/3.4to, 1.7st/0.5bk
Mitchell 19.1pts (53.1%), 2.4rb (0.4off), 8.0ast/1.8to, 1.8st/0.4bk <---
Williams 16.2pts (43.8%), 5.4rb (1.8off), 1.0ast/2.3to, 1.4st/0.4bk
Bouknight 21.0pts (45.0%), 3.5rb (0.4off), 4.8ast/4.4to, 1.0st/1.0bk
Primo 10.7pts (27.3%), 2.7rb (0.0off), 2.7ast/5.4to, 2.7st/0.0bk
Duarte 24.4pts (45.6%), 5.3rb (0.7off), 5.1ast/4.4to, 3.3st/2.4bk <---
Moody 25.4pts (40.9%), 4.5rb (1.1off), 1.5ast/1.5to, 1.9st/0.5bk
Kispert 10.0pts (30.4%), 1.8rb (0.0off), 1.2ast/1.8to, 0.6st/0.0bk
Sengun 21.3pts (41.2%), 15.6rb (4.7off), 4.3ast/2.8to, 1.8st/4.3bk <---

This shows how useless summer league stats are. Both Green and Suggs didn’t play a whole half and haven’t played a game since getting injured so that significantly decreases their stats. Giddey played like 3 minutes before he got injured and he hasn’t played since. This at doesn’t even include guys like Cam Thomas, Jalen Johnson and Sharif Cooper who have been balling out in summer league but are on playoff teams. You actually have to watch the games because the box scores don’t tell you much.

Barnes also got dinged up and was hobbling around the court for a quarter. And Green and Suggs have averaged a whopping THREE and FIVE less minutes than Barnes. And he's using PER 36 minutes. So Green and Suggs playing less minutes actually doesn't matter at all.

And NOW you're calling Summer League stats useless but three days ago you were making a list of the top 10 players in Summer League. lol

Have mercy, brother.

[KL78192020]

this is false. The league is getting bigger. Stagnation has happened at the 5 spot, but 1-4 is growing in height.

Unless I’m reading this wrong the increase in average height seems to be coming from the PG and SG positions, which would favor Suggs because he’s above average height for a PG.

Graphs like this literally mean nothing. Raptors won a championship with Lowry and Van Vleet at PG...

With 3 all time great defensive players in the front court to cover their mistakes in Ibaka/Gasol/Kawhi, even Siakam is good defensively. With average guys it wouldn't work like last year.

[everdiso]

Cunningham: 27.7mpg, 18.7pts (42.9%), 5.7rb, 2.3ast/4.0to, 1.7st/1.3bk
Green 24.1mpg, 20.3pts (51.4%), 4.3rb, 2.0ast/2.3to, 0.3st/0.0bk
Mobley 28.9mpg, 11.3pts (34.9%), 7.7rb, 3.0ast/3.3to, 0.7st/1.7bk
Suggs 21.8mpg, 15.3ptz (41.5%), 6.3rb, 2.3adt/2.3to, 1.7st/1.0bk
Barnes 27.3mpg, 15.5pts (41.2%), 6.8rb, 3.3ast/1.8to, 1.0st/2.0bk
Kuminga 28.0mpg, 17.3pts (36.2%), 5.7rb, 1.3ast/2.3to, 1.7st/0.7bk

Per 36

Cade 24.3pts (42.9%), 7.4rb (1.3off), 3.0ast/5.2to, 2.2st/1.7bk
Green 30.3pts (51.4%), 6.4rb (0.5off), 3.0ast/3.4to, 0.5st/0.0bk
Mobley 14.1pts (34.9%), 9.6rb (3.4off), 3.7ast/4.1to, 0.9st/2.1bk
Barnes 20.4pts (41.2%), 9.0rb (3.3off), 4.4ast/2.4to, 1.3st/2.6bk
Suggs 25.3pts (41.5%), 10.4rb (2.2off), 3.8ast/3.8to, 2.8st/1.7bk

Giddey* 14.1pts (33.3%), 0.0rb (0.0off), 0.0ast/0.0to, 0.0st/0.9bk
Kuminga 22.2pts (36.2%), 7.3rb (1.3off), 1.7ast/3.0to, 2.2st/0.9bk
Wagner 10.7pts (40.0%), 6.8rb (1.2off), 1.7ast/3.4to, 1.7st/0.5bk
Mitchell 19.1pts (53.1%), 2.4rb (0.4off), 8.0ast/1.8to, 1.8st/0.4bk <---
Williams 16.2pts (43.8%), 5.4rb (1.8off), 1.0ast/2.3to, 1.4st/0.4bk
Bouknight 21.0pts (45.0%), 3.5rb (0.4off), 4.8ast/4.4to, 1.0st/1.0bk
Primo 10.7pts (27.3%), 2.7rb (0.0off), 2.7ast/5.4to, 2.7st/0.0bk
Duarte 24.4pts (45.6%), 5.3rb (0.7off), 5.1ast/4.4to, 3.3st/2.4bk <---
Moody 25.4pts (40.9%), 4.5rb (1.1off), 1.5ast/1.5to, 1.9st/0.5bk
Kispert 10.0pts (30.4%), 1.8rb (0.0off), 1.2ast/1.8to, 0.6st/0.0bk
Sengun 21.3pts (41.2%), 15.6rb (4.7off), 4.3ast/2.8to, 1.8st/4.3bk <---

This shows how useless summer league stats are. Both Green and Suggs didn’t play a whole half and haven’t played a game since getting injured so that significantly decreases their stats. Giddey played like 3 minutes before he got injured and he hasn’t played since. This at doesn’t even include guys like Cam Thomas, Jalen Johnson and Sharif Cooper who have been balling out in summer league but are on playoff teams. You actually have to watch the games because the box scores don’t tell you much.

Not sure how anything you said there supports your claim.

[Johnny Bball]

That thread poll showed Barnes at 7% and Suggs at 40% and this thread poll has Barnes at 57% and Suggs at 43%. That swing kind of proves the point of being post you were responding to that the opinion on Suggs completely changed as soon as Masai made the pick.

I don’t get why it matters. I was 100% on the Suggs train but we took Barnes so i’m going to ride and root for OUR player. I voted Suggs before but i’m a Raptors fan so Barnes is my guy now and i’m trusting our FO.

It matters in terms of having an intellectually honest discussion when evaluating players, otherwise why bother even responding if you’re just going to be a blind homer? It may be news to people on this board but you can objectively look at players in other teams and still root for our players. There’s a high probability that Barnes isn’t going to be the best player in the draft next season and there are going to be players that were selected after him that have better seasons, but that doesn’t mean that we should have selected a lot of those players over Barnes, especially when he’s going to be a project. So it’s okay to say that those players are better then Barnes at the moment, but still root for Barnes to do well. I come to this board to talk basketball with like minded fans, not mindlessly praise the team like a cult.

On the other hand, it matters in terms of having an intellectually honest discussion when evaluating players, when people act like children because their favorite player wasn't taken or because they can't admit they didn't guess right. And yep, pretty sure most people aren't thinking Barnes is going to be the rookie of the year, but are just responding to other people that pontificate he can't have a high ceiling for whatever reasons they may make up. I mean. it's a real two way street with that kind of thinking.

And I don't even know what you think so that's not directed at you.

[YelloC]

Cunningham: 27.7mpg, 18.7pts (42.9%), 5.7rb, 2.3ast/4.0to, 1.7st/1.3bk
Green 24.1mpg, 20.3pts (51.4%), 4.3rb, 2.0ast/2.3to, 0.3st/0.0bk
Mobley 28.9mpg, 11.3pts (34.9%), 7.7rb, 3.0ast/3.3to, 0.7st/1.7bk
Suggs 21.8mpg, 15.3ptz (41.5%), 6.3rb, 2.3adt/2.3to, 1.7st/1.0bk
Barnes 27.3mpg, 15.5pts (41.2%), 6.8rb, 3.3ast/1.8to, 1.0st/2.0bk
Kuminga 28.0mpg, 17.3pts (36.2%), 5.7rb, 1.3ast/2.3to, 1.7st/0.7bk

Barnes is the only one with a positive ast/to ratio and it’s almost 2/1.