Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[Mr B]

Any interest?

J. Michael: The #Pacers have withdrawn the qualifying offer from Cassius Stanley, a league source tells @IndyStarSports …. making the two-way player for an unrestricted free agent.

 

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Didn’t he and Luka get into it last season before the bubble? He shoved Luka out of bounds and then Luka went after him. I could be wrong.


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[Mr B]

Here’s the other 2-way contract.

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[ejs78]

Can someone please tell me why they are fascinatinated with Moses Brown?

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[41Dirk41]

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[Mr B]

Can someone please tell me why they are fascinatinated with Moses Brown?

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A young rebounding machine playing next to KP doesn’t sound like a terrible idea. If he can be taught to play better defense and to be a good free throw shooter he has more potential than any young big on the roster. They should be open to including him in a trade that makes the team better now though.


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[ejs78]

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This is my thoughts exactly.

OKC a young team looking for youth put him in a deal for Kemba, Boston passed on him, and the Mavs didn't want him as part of the trade. Its a long shot he'll be anything and people are getting excited for him after seeing what he did for a team that told Horford and SGA to take the year off. He was pretty much playing on a summer league team.

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[Mr B]

Poor man’s Dray?

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[HMFFL]

Can someone please tell me why they are fascinatinated with Moses Brown?

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A young rebounding machine playing next to KP doesn’t sound like a terrible idea. If he can be taught to play better defense and to be a good free throw shooter he has more potential than any young big on the roster. They should be open to including him in a trade that makes the team better now though.


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But, but, KP is suppose to do everything. He needs to score 30ppg per game, average 15rpg, and 3bpg.

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[Mr B]

Can someone please tell me why they are fascinatinated with Moses Brown?

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A young rebounding machine playing next to KP doesn’t sound like a terrible idea. If he can be taught to play better defense and to be a good free throw shooter he has more potential than any young big on the roster. They should be open to including him in a trade that makes the team better now though.


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But, but, KP is suppose to do everything. He needs to score 30ppg per game, average 15rpg, and 3bpg.

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Hahaha! In a perfect world yes KP would be putting up unicorn numbers. In reality KP is more than capable of 25/10. Consistency it what the Mavs really need from KP though.


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[JJP]

Can someone please tell me why they are fascinatinated with Moses Brown?

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A young rebounding machine playing next to KP doesn’t sound like a terrible idea. If he can be taught to play better defense and to be a good free throw shooter he has more potential than any young big on the roster. They should be open to including him in a trade that makes the team better now though.


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I'm not sure there's any credible written profile that refers to him as a "young rebounding machine." I have seen a report that says he's soft and looks lost on defense. I haven't seen any that say he could play 20 mpg in a good team's rotation.

He played in something like 44 games with the Thunder when they were tanking. They won 7 of them when he played.

Yes, he might pan out, but there's no minutes for him anywhere on this team. The Mavs will be trying to win games, not experiment with developmental players. The Mavs didn't target him by all reports. If they didn't target him, they aren't going to get serious about keeping him.

[ejs78]

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Also mentions Green was scheduled to play and isn't.

[JJP]

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[Mavrelous]

Mavs are gonna need someone in the finals aginst the Nets to punch Griffin, I hope he goes for the jewels this time.

[SOUNDCHASER]

The thunder were playing other nba teams and he averaged 9 and 9 which is a double double almost over an extended period of time. Tell me what does WCS accomplish in the minutes he has. Perhaps the rest of OKC was so inept that Moses had no credible competition for the rebounds he was getting because nobody else on his team was getting any but in that case more rebounds would have ended up going to the other team as well and he likely would not have gotten as many. Plus in his last 10 games of that season his rebound numbers actually increased to 11 per game and he scored 9 each game plus hs FT percentage for that entire season was not 37% it was 61.9% a major improvement.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4397126/moses-brown
He is only 20 years old he has not even begun his career yet guys and he is doing 9 and 9 come on that production warrants giving him a shot to become at least a role player on this team. He might be able to defend from the 5 as KP gets old and cant play D like happened with Dirk when he got older so he could be our Tyson to play next to the new Dirk.

He is damn sure likely to become a better option than WCS at 7'2" and 245 he already has more size. https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991282/willie-cauley-stein

oh wow WCS shot 62% from FT a whole % point better. and in just a few minutes less court time he produced numbers half as impressive 4.5 rebounds a game in 17 minutes a game. I would say you guys who hate on the kid have nothing to argue about because you are defending an option that leaves us with WCS being used for extended minutes and that guy has been horrible and below average with a PER of 14 versus Brown's PER of 18 which would have been 4th on the team last year

Last year in 31 minutes KP grabbed 8.9 rebounds a game and Moses did the same in 21 minutes a game.

[SOUNDCHASER]

If he goes to TOR as part of the Dragic trade we will be giving you crap when he produces in TOR and it will prove this teams got no talent for picking younger players. Hopefully we pack WCS off to TOR instead.

[arkuo]

The thunder were playing other nba teams and he averaged 9 and 9 which is a double double almost over an extended period of time. Tell me what does WCS accomplish in the minutes he has. Perhaps the rest of OKC was so inept that Moses had no credible competition for the rebounds he was getting because nobody else on his team was getting any but in that case more rebounds would have ended up going to the other team as well and he likely would not have gotten as many. Plus in his last 10 games of that season his rebound numbers actually increased to 11 per game and he scored 9 each game plus hs FT percentage for that entire season was not 37% it was 61.9% a major improvement.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4397126/moses-brown
He is only 20 years old he has not even begun his career yet guys and he is doing 9 and 9 come on that production warrants giving him a shot to become at least a role player on this team. He might be able to defend from the 5 as KP gets old and cant play D like happened with Dirk when he got older so he could be our Tyson to play next to the new Dirk.

He is damn sure likely to become a better option than WCS at 7'2" and 245 he already has more size. https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991282/willie-cauley-stein

oh wow WCS shot 62% from FT a whole % point better. and in just a few minutes less court time he produced numbers half as impressive 4.5 rebounds a game in 17 minutes a game. I would say you guys who hate on the kid have nothing to argue about because you are defending an option that leaves us with WCS being used for extended minutes and that guy has been horrible and below average with a PER of 14 versus Brown's PER of 18 which would have been 4th on the team last year

Last year in 31 minutes KP grabbed 8.9 rebounds a game and Moses did the same in 21 minutes a game.

Brown is quicker on his feet than KP. I wonder if he can be groomed to be a Dwight Powell replacement in 2 years. That is definitely the last big contract Powell is gonna get. It's imperative that they find young replacements for him and Kleber.

Brown and Omoruyi might be potential candidates for that. I wonder if Brown can be taught to shoot higher percentage 3s if any. At some point he reminds me of when Myles Turner came into the league as a rooke. He has pretty quick feet, although he sometimes looks skittish, but that rubs off as you mature. So you look for mechanics, if he can go right and left, court sense etc. For the money, he should be fine.

[JJP]

Soundchaser, the Mavs aren't "giving him a shot". He's not playing in Summer League. He wasn't a Mavs target in FA. There's no minutes for him in the regular season (unless maybe WCS is shipped out). What have the Mavs done to make you think they are "giving him a shot" ?

[ejs78]

If he goes to TOR as part of the Dragic trade we will be giving you crap when he produces in TOR and it will prove this teams got no talent for picking younger players. Hopefully we pack WCS off to TOR instead.

Will you also be giving crap to OKC, Boston, and Portland where he was in 2019?


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[Teffer10]

Soundchaser, the Mavs aren't "giving him a shot". He's not playing in Summer League. He wasn't a Mavs target in FA. There's no minutes for him in the regular season (unless maybe WCS is shipped out). What have the Mavs done to make you think they are "giving him a shot" ?

Yeah, I see Brown's only role as a Mav to be as a throw-in in some other deal....probably for either Markkanen or Dragic.
When they re-signed Boban and WCS, it was pretty evident the Mavs have no interest in keeping him.
The fact he isn't playing in SL pretty much validates that.

[41Dirk41]

WCS posted the same numbers in his early seasons with Sacto...stats in losing team aren't count so much.