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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#41 » by return2glory » Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:50 am

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Curmudgeon wrote:Hauser is a poor man's Duncan Robinson or maybe Doug McDermott. He's not a power forward. No power.


In this ERA, not as big a problem. He will be fine. But at 6'8, I would definitely take the value of a "poor man's Duncan Robinson".


I like his shooting, but he measured at 6'6.75 in the combine. Too small for a PF.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#42 » by Hal14 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:00 am

Curmudgeon wrote:Hauser is a poor man's Duncan Robinson or maybe Doug McDermott. He's not a power forward. No power.

1) The power forward position no longer exists in the NBA. anyone who's still saying "power" forward is living in the past. This isn't the Mchale, Barkley, Karl Malone era.

It's not power forward anymore. It's STRETCH 4 now.

2) Hauser can absolutely play STRETCH 4. He's 6'8" with a 6'9" wingspan which is average size for a STRETCH 4 and oh by the way, last season in college he had a 13.1% rebounding rate which is above average for a STRETCH 4.

3) For a STRETCH 4, you need to be able to score inside too, right? Not just outside. Well, look at this video at the 3:05 mark:



Hauser is on a 2-way contract now.

I think this year 2021-2022 is a learning year, develop him and get him adjusted to the NBA game. But by 2022-2023 he could be a really solid STRETCH 4 dude off the bench, knocking down shots.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#43 » by Hal14 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:02 am

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Curmudgeon wrote:Hauser is a poor man's Duncan Robinson or maybe Doug McDermott. He's not a power forward. No power.


In this ERA, not as big a problem. He will be fine. But at 6'8, I would definitely take the value of a "poor man's Duncan Robinson".


I like his shooting, but he measured at 6'6.75 in the combine. Too small for a PF.

lol maybe you looked at the barefoot measurements.

In-shoes measurements are what the NBA counts as official, and the NBA also rounds up if they're a 1/2 inch over.

So Hauser is 6'8" with a 6'9" wingspan.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#44 » by captain green » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:59 am

So I'm just curious why so quick with hauser 2way signing he's been meh so far.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#45 » by Temuhjan » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:45 am

There are two kinds of PFs in modern basketball: defensively-minded forward and stretch forward.

Typically, it is best to have one of each to maximize line-up versatility. If your starting PF is a stretch forward, then you'd better get an energetic defensively minded player as your back-up PF.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#46 » by Temuhjan » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:48 am

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Curmudgeon wrote:Hauser is a poor man's Duncan Robinson or maybe Doug McDermott. He's not a power forward. No power.

1) The power forward position no longer exists in the NBA. anyone who's still saying "power" forward is living in the past. This isn't the Mchale, Barkley, Karl Malone era.

It's not power forward anymore. It's STRETCH 4 now.

2) Hauser can absolutely play STRETCH 4. He's 6'8" with a 6'9" wingspan which is average size for a STRETCH 4 and oh by the way, last season in college he had a 13.1% rebounding rate which is above average for a STRETCH 4.

3) For a STRETCH 4, you need to be able to score inside too, right? Not just outside. Well, look at this video at the 3:05 mark:



Hauser is on a 2-way contract now.

I think this year 2021-2022 is a learning year, develop him and get him adjusted to the NBA game. But by 2022-2023 he could be a really solid STRETCH 4 dude off the bench, knocking down shots.

Hauser is perhaps a bit too inexperienced to contribute to the second unit. If you are looking for a second stretch forward, the choices in free agency includes Ersan Ilyasova, Patrick Patterson, and Mike Scott.

I, however, believe someone more energetic and defensively minded is more suitable for the team needs.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#47 » by LewisnotMiller » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:49 am

Time to sign Jock Landale. Bugger...too late.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#48 » by ParticleMan » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:34 am

captain green wrote:So I'm just curious why so quick with hauser 2way signing he's been meh so far.


Sounds like the C's would have drafted Hauser if Begarin was taken, so when Hauser went undrafted they offered him a 2-way right away and he took it.

I think he's been fine for a 2-way. He's a longshot to be the next Duncan Robinson but at least he's a shooter. Not buying the hype that he can be our stretch 4 now tho, he's got a LONG way to go to be a rotation player.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#49 » by playa-hater » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:20 pm

captain green wrote:So I'm just curious why so quick with hauser 2way signing he's been meh so far.


is this a serious post?
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Post#50 » by playa-hater » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:28 pm

It's like all those games and years of watching Semi - Grant Williams and whoever throwing up Bricks in the corner after watching Tatum getting swamped doubled or shadowed by the entire defense has been forgotten.

I don't know about Hauser being a "long shot" to e Duncan Robinson. I feel Hauser has a real good chance to be the Bigger Joe Harris. But again he doesn't have to be either. Harris and Robinson are starters. Hauser just has to be our sniper specialist.
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Post#51 » by playa-hater » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:36 pm

31to6 wrote:Love the enthusiasm but Hauser is a lightweight rookie who will be lighting it up in Maine. We are going to try to get ourselves back to the top level of the East. Wish we had someone like Nance Jr. or Kyle Anderson (or cough cough Aaron Gordon) on our roster, but the cards didn’t fall that way over the last year and we’re — again — guard heavy.

If we’re going to compete we need Tatum to start getting his name in the MVP conversation, and if that happens it’s as a healthy PF playing big minutes.

So Grant or Jaylen or Al or (my favorite) Jabari backing him up for 15 minutes a game should be fine. I’d guess Hauser averages about 0.3mpg at PF with the “big” club over the course of 82 this season — what’s that, 28 minutes total at PF?

If he plays significant minutes it means Tatum’s hurt and we’re hoping for a lottery pick.


No one is saying Hauser > and your 3 examples. Unfortunately their salary is out of reach. My stance is Hauser > Grant + Parker easy for what he brings in relation to how it can help the team.

No question I lead the race on being perhaps "over enthused" but I feel too many are being to "underwhelmed" with what his skill set can do.

Meanwhile I am hoping a year of weight training ala Tatum and Nesmith, that his physical improvement will at least close the Gap on his defense and rebounding a bit. And in some time in the near distant future, I will be singing I told you SOs again..
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#52 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:42 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Hauser is a poor man's Duncan Robinson or maybe Doug McDermott. He's not a power forward. No power.

1) The power forward position no longer exists in the NBA. anyone who's still saying "power" forward is living in the past. This isn't the Mchale, Barkley, Karl Malone era.

It's not power forward anymore. It's STRETCH 4 now.

2) Hauser can absolutely play STRETCH 4. He's 6'8" with a 6'9" wingspan which is average size for a STRETCH 4 and oh by the way, last season in college he had a 13.1% rebounding rate which is above average for a STRETCH 4.

3) For a STRETCH 4, you need to be able to score inside too, right? Not just outside. Well, look at this video at the 3:05 mark:



Hauser is on a 2-way contract now.

I think this year 2021-2022 is a learning year, develop him and get him adjusted to the NBA game. But by 2022-2023 he could be a really solid STRETCH 4 dude off the bench, knocking down shots.


What is with you and getting hyped about extremely fringe prospects and trying to insert them into roles they are absolutely not suited for? Sure MAYBE in a few years he will be ready, but evidence has shown he is not even close to being an NBA player.

This kid will be driving to and from Boston and Maine in his own car playing for minimal dollars.

The fact that others in this thread feel he is better than grant/Parker is also ludicrous.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#53 » by playa-hater » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:56 pm

Brad Hauser = Scott Wedman
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Post#54 » by sam_I_am » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:56 pm

I like Sam Hauser. He knows how to defend at college level and is a dangerous 3 pt, shooter. I like him as a PF in a situation where you would insert him for 1 play to stretch the floor and be a threat for catch and shoot 3. There is room for a guy like that on every contender. However, there is no way he can provide rebounding and rim protection that even PFs like Grant Williams and Kelly Olynyk can provide.

Sticking him at PF for a designed inbounds play at end of a quarter seems like his future role. If his body has a Tom Brady like transformation at age 23 and he becomes a Kyle Korver like player.....awesome.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#55 » by sam_I_am » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:57 pm

playa-hater wrote:Brad Hauser = Scott Wedman


Don’t disrespect Scott Wedman. He was an all NBA defender one season.
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#56 » by playa-hater » Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:02 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
playa-hater wrote:Brad Hauser = Scott Wedman


Don’t disrespect Scott Wedman. He was an all NBA defender one season.


:o OK that I did not know.. Still all names will be taken and invited to the dinner party at My Hauser to eat Crow in a year or 2. :nod:
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Post#57 » by Curmudgeon » Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:27 pm

LOL, Scott Wedman was an NBA all star twice. I doubt if Doogie gets there. But I'll take the next Duncan Robinson if that's what he turns out to be. I'll even take the next Luigi Datome (who shot 47% from beyond the arc in his one year as a Celtic and who has averaged 43% on treys over a long career in Europe).
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#58 » by captain green » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:04 pm

playa-hater wrote:
captain green wrote:So I'm just curious why so quick with hauser 2way signing he's been meh so far.


is this a serious post?

No but it's a serious comment and my take is meh I mean his shooting is solid just ain't passing my eye test
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#59 » by sam_I_am » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:10 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:LOL, Scott Wedman was an NBA all star twice. I doubt if Doogie gets there. But I'll take the next Duncan Robinson if that's what he turns out to be. I'll even take the next Luigi Datome (who shot 47% from beyond the arc in his one year as a Celtic and who has averaged 43% on treys over a long career in Europe).


All rookie team. Second team all defense once. 2 time champion and 2 time all star. 2 time all Big Eight. Not a bad resume for your 8th best player. Worthy of being #6 pick in draft (#2 in ABA draft)
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Re: OUR BIGGEST NEED - PF 

Post#60 » by bisme37 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:18 pm

I don't really think Hauser is a PF. I mean offensively you can play him there in a position-less lineup. But defensively I don't love him guarding bigger stronger players. He's pretty thin and visibly not 6'8". Then again I don't love him guarding smaller quicker players either. This dilemma is probably why he went undrafted. Love his shooting and overall offense though and I think he can help.

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