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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2041 » by Richard4444 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:59 am

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Richard4444 wrote:I read the Noels contract has 4M in unlikely bonus. So it does not count against cap space. He will earn 27,7M (stating in 8,8M).

Mcbride got the minimum contract of 925M to gain more next year and a third-year is a team option.

If we trade Mitch and Knox for Myles Turner, we will have under 21M to sign Fournier and Burks.

If we trade Mitch, Knox and Obi for Myles Turner, we will have around 25M to sign Fournier and Burks.

We would need a little more than 27M to sign Fournier and Burks for 78/4 and 30/3 deals unless there was an unlikely bonus that does not count against the cap.

Very interesting, Richard. Do you remember where you read about the details of Noel's contract?

[edit] Agree with everything outlined after the first line.

I make it ~$18.1m for EF's first year and ~$9.5 for Burks's first year, so together let's say somewhere just less than ~$27.7m.

The only way I can realistically make this work (right now) is to throw in one of Burks/Noel/Walker as a sign and trade. (Obi just isn't enough extra ballast.) Still need Kev. And I still don't see the Pacers's objective.

The one other possibility I see is Mitch + Kevin + Obi + Grimes for Myles - again dependent on Grimes not being signed and able to be part of a trade right away.

fwiw, it's possible to sign-and-trade a team's renounced free agents (eg Frank), but you can't sign them on the Room MLE and then trade them - they have to be signed in a way that could have been a 3 year (at least) contract ... so I just don't see how to use that.


I think to include Noel, Burks, or Kemba in the deal, we would have to wait until December 15.

We can include Grimes after 30 days of his signing. But his salary (2,1M) does not move the needle.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2042 » by Spree2Houston » Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:02 am

I would rather call up Phoenix and see if they’re interested in trading Ayton. You know their owner is cheap
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Post#2045 » by Spree2Houston » Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:15 am

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This is how you know this draft class was insane. A guy like this ending up at the 27th pick
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Post#2046 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:16 am

mkay - well given that decrease in Noel's first year salary, I suppose that Turner for Knox + Mitch + Obi + Pinson is in play
where Pinson is sign-and-trade a renounced FA for more than the league minimum, assuming the Knicks have about ~$2,340,590 for that contract.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2047 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:19 am

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B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:I read the Noels contract has 4M in unlikely bonus. So it does not count against cap space. He will earn 27,7M (stating in 8,8M).

Mcbride got the minimum contract of 925M to gain more next year and a third-year is a team option.

If we trade Mitch and Knox for Myles Turner, we will have under 21M to sign Fournier and Burks.

If we trade Mitch, Knox and Obi for Myles Turner, we will have around 25M to sign Fournier and Burks.

We would need a little more than 27M to sign Fournier and Burks for 78/4 and 30/3 deals unless there was an unlikely bonus that does not count against the cap.

Very interesting, Richard. Do you remember where you read about the details of Noel's contract?

[edit] Agree with everything outlined after the first line.

I make it ~$18.1m for EF's first year and ~$9.5 for Burks's first year, so together let's say somewhere just less than ~$27.7m.

The only way I can realistically make this work (right now) is to throw in one of Burks/Noel/Walker as a sign and trade. (Obi just isn't enough extra ballast.) Still need Kev. And I still don't see the Pacers's objective.

The one other possibility I see is Mitch + Kevin + Obi + Grimes for Myles - again dependent on Grimes not being signed and able to be part of a trade right away.

fwiw, it's possible to sign-and-trade a team's renounced free agents (eg Frank), but you can't sign them on the Room MLE and then trade them - they have to be signed in a way that could have been a 3 year (at least) contract ... so I just don't see how to use that.


I think to include Noel, Burks, or Kemba in the deal, we would have to wait until December 15.

We can include Grimes after 30 days of his signing. But his salary (2,1M) does not move the needle.

re: Noel, Burks & Kemba: yes - you're right assuming that those have actually been confirmed. If they were just "in the works" the Noel and Burks deals could be converted to sign & trade - I think. Not Kemba, tho', now you mention it.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2048 » by Fat » Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:22 am

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This is how you know this draft class was insane. A guy like this ending up at the 27th pick


I don’t like he fell to Brooklyn’s lap though :lol: he might be a problem off the bench in due time
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2049 » by Jimmit79 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:00 am

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I rather we get KAT instead

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Enlighten me.. any rumors about us targeting him?
Nothing besides that tweet of him talking about Randle and he's from NY and he plays for the worst franchise and market in NBA.

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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2050 » by Richard4444 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:06 am

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:mkay - well given that decrease in Noel's first year salary, I suppose that Turner for Knox + Mitch + Obi + Pinson is in play
where Pinson is sign-and-trade a renounced FA for more than the league minimum, assuming the Knicks have about ~$2,340,590 for that contract.


If we are going to use cap space to sign Myles, we dont need to match salaries. So Pinson is not needed.

If we are going to trade the salaries after signing to take advantage to the 80% salary filler, we have to wait until December 15.

The deal I see more possible is to substitute the cap space hit of Obi + Mitch + Knox for the Myles Turner salary. Maybe we could get some protected first or second-rounder if it's our package is too rich. We could also trade Myles for Mitch + Knox and trade Obi for a pick and TPE from another team.

Evidently, we could send Burks in a S&T deal to Indiana to match salaries if we withdraw the re-signing offer. Noel is already signed according to NBA.com. And we cant sign and trade Kemba because he did not end the last season with us.
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Post#2051 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:27 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Turner would be nice fit bc of added floor spacing

Ngl RJ might actually be kinda nice in an offense like that


It could open things up for him
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2053 » by G_K_F » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:29 am

I am hoping against hope and against all the trolling speculation on the internet that this Robinson/Knox/picks for Turner trade is true. This would improve our team, no question about it.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2054 » by dukeknicksirish » Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:38 am

Kemba / Rose / McBride
Fournier / IQ / Grimes
RJ / Burks / Bacon
Randle / Toppin
Turner / Noel / Taj

Wow..... we honestly could cause some serious issues in the postseason with that depth . Our second unit can score better than most teams starting units !

I imagine a stretch where we need stops and we go :
Rose / McBride / RJ / Randle / Mitch

So many options for so many different situations !
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Post#2055 » by rajajackal » Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:29 am

dukeknicksirish wrote:Kemba / Rose / McBride
Fournier / IQ / Grimes
RJ / Burks / Bacon
Randle / Toppin
Turner / Noel / Taj

Wow..... we honestly could cause some serious issues in the postseason with that depth . Our second unit can score better than most teams starting units !

I imagine a stretch where we need stops and we go :
Rose / McBride / RJ / Randle / Mitch

So many options for so many different situations !


mitch or turner you can't have it both ways :lol:
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2056 » by Jump Shot » Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:54 am

I have Googled and don't see a damn thing about Turner to the Knicks. This is another Sexton to the Knicks thing, ain't it? Something made up with no actual rumor from anyone in the know?
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2057 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:04 am

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Jimmit79 wrote:I rather we get KAT instead

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Enlighten me.. any rumors about us targeting him?
Nothing besides that tweet of him talking about Randle and he's from NY and he plays for the worst franchise and market in NBA.

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Turner is supposed to be a better defensive player.
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Post#2058 » by robillionaire » Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:08 am

Jump Shot wrote:I have Googled and don't see a damn thing about Turner to the Knicks. This is another Sexton to the Knicks thing, ain't it? Something made up with no actual rumor from anyone in the know?


Most likely
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Post#2059 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:23 am

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Jump Shot wrote:I have Googled and don't see a damn thing about Turner to the Knicks. This is another Sexton to the Knicks thing, ain't it? Something made up with no actual rumor from anyone in the know?


Most likely


An Indiana reporter in some article local to them indicated the Pacers have listened to offers for Turner and also that the Knicks have made offers and/or are very interested, but then said Pacers aren't shopping him - something like that. That was around August 3rd.
That immediately spawned about 4 writeups at Knick fan sites with the usual idle speculation, off that one original article.

Then it was quiet up until approximately 2 or 3 days ago, and some guy called into Knicks Fan TV, I think the post game show of the Pistons game, around the 45 minute mark (lol), and stated that a Mitch/Knox/2nd rounders for Turner trade is done. This guy had "called the Lowry move" on the show/got lucky once, and was trying again. This lead to a day and a bunch of posts about what Turner to Knicks would look like, if it was good or not etc. And then a few posters pointed out it doesn't work under the cap, but maybe Aller had something up his sleeve or maybe the Knicks might rework a contract not actually inked, all pretty unlikely.

That one article and that one guy are the "sources" of the info. Oh, and someone else stated that a guy who is a Raptors PR guy stated some knowledge of the trades. The underwear man could not be reached for comment.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#2060 » by Jeffrey » Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:27 pm

dukeknicksirish wrote:Kemba / Rose / McBride
Fournier / IQ / Grimes
RJ / Burks / Bacon
Randle / Toppin
Turner / Noel / Taj

Wow..... we honestly could cause some serious issues in the postseason with that depth . Our second unit can score better than most teams starting units !

I imagine a stretch where we need stops and we go :
Rose / McBride / RJ / Randle / Mitch

So many options for so many different situations !


That's if Thibs can actually go 10 or 11 deep during the regular season. We have good fcking depth for Thibs not to play a few minutes with our rookies and 2nd year players. Also, need to give minutes restrictions to Kemba due to his knees.

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