Does Ben Simmons Still Sign 5Yr/170 Million?

[The_Hater]

Yes. He's already made:

All-Star teams
All NBA team
All defensive team

But isn’t one of the top 450 players in the league according to a few geniuses around here….

[The_Hater]

He was paid on potential, but he doesn’t get better. Worst contract in the league. Sixers better trade him before everyone else figures that out.

Multiple All-Star teams
All NBA team
All NBA defensive team
2nd in DPOY voting

I know it’s **** on Ben summer but let’s not pretend none of this ever happened. He just might be a different type of player then people had in mind for him, but he still has several elite level skills that any NBA team would be interested in.

We also shouldn’t assume that it’s impossible for him to improve going forward, this is an assumption that often gets proven wrong after fans put a player in a box and assume that’s all there is.

[Vampirate]

He was paid on potential, but he doesn’t get better. Worst contract in the league. Sixers better trade him before everyone else figures that out.

Multiple All-Star teams
All NBA team
All NBA defensive team
2nd in DPOY voting

I know it’s **** on Ben summer but let’s not pretend none of this ever happened. He just might be a different type of player then people had in mind for him, but he still has several elite level skills that any NBA team would be interested in.

We also shouldn’t assume that it’s impossible for him to improve going forward, this is an assumption that often gets proven wrong after fans put a player in a box and assume that’s all there is.

The issue still is he's paid as a #2 option on a championship and his contract might ultimately prevent the 76ers from landing that guy.

If the 76ers had a #2 option, he'd be fine as the #3 guy, even with the contract.

The issue with the 76ers is that they have a #1 and #3 option, but not a #2 option.

[Woodsanity]

Once he gets the bag he will get even worse as a player. You can tell he is the type of player who gets the bag and stops trying not that he tried much in the first place.

He will shoot 40-50% from the line once he gets the bag, maybe 60% if lucky.

[The_Hater]

He was paid on potential, but he doesn’t get better. Worst contract in the league. Sixers better trade him before everyone else figures that out.

Multiple All-Star teams
All NBA team
All NBA defensive team
2nd in DPOY voting

I know it’s **** on Ben summer but let’s not pretend none of this ever happened. He just might be a different type of player then people had in mind for him, but he still has several elite level skills that any NBA team would be interested in.

We also shouldn’t assume that it’s impossible for him to improve going forward, this is an assumption that often gets proven wrong after fans put a player in a box and assume that’s all there is.

The issue still is he's paid as a #2 option on a championship and his contract might ultimately prevent the 76ers from landing that guy.

If the 76ers had a #2 option, he'd be fine as the #3 guy, even with the contract.

The issue with the 76ers is that they have a #1 and #3 option, but not a #2 option.

Agree about the #2 option part and his salary, but he’s got some Bam and Draymond in him. Those players generally help you win in the playoffs without being big scorers. They’re important cogs. And teams often pay 3 guys max or close to the max when they’re trying to win the title.

We’re in a situation where offensive production has not met expectations for Ben and everyone is grossly overreacting on how bad he is right now. He deserves lots of criticism for the recent playoffs and his lack of offensive development, but he’s still a very good NBA player even if nothing changes. And again, people seem to have written off any chance that he will improve. I gotta figure his ego is talking to him right now and he knows something has to change.

[Vampirate]

Multiple All-Star teams
All NBA team
All NBA defensive team
2nd in DPOY voting

I know it’s **** on Ben summer but let’s not pretend none of this ever happened. He just might be a different type of player then people had in mind for him, but he still has several elite level skills that any NBA team would be interested in.

We also shouldn’t assume that it’s impossible for him to improve going forward, this is an assumption that often gets proven wrong after fans put a player in a box and assume that’s all there is.

The issue still is he's paid as a #2 option on a championship and his contract might ultimately prevent the 76ers from landing that guy.

If the 76ers had a #2 option, he'd be fine as the #3 guy, even with the contract.

The issue with the 76ers is that they have a #1 and #3 option, but not a #2 option.

Agree about the #2 option part and his salary, but he’s got some Bam and Draymond in him. Those players generally help you win in the playoffs without being big scorers. They’re important cogs. And teams often pay 3 guys max or close to the max when they’re trying to win the title.

We’re in a situation where offensive production has not met expectations for Ben and everyone is grossly overreacting on how bad he is right now. He deserves lots of criticism for the recent playoffs and his lack of offensive development, but he’s still a very good NBA player even if nothing changes. And again, people seem to have written off any chance that he will improve. I gotta figure his ego is talking to him right now and he knows something has to change.

I disagree, everyone knows the value of Simmons, he's an All Star, and arguably the most versatile defender in the league with legit quasi point guard skills.

The issue still is he hasn't evolved his offensive game in any way since being drafted. His strengths have gotten stronger, but so have his weaknesses. He was given that contract in the hopes that he would expand his offensive game, beyond what it is now. He has not done so for yet.

Given his height, speed, ball handling, and passing when he entered the league, who knows what his true peak ceiling really is.

I don't think he's anywhere close to it, and I doubt he'll ever will be.

[Saints14]

He'll be traded for positive value so yes, he's still a + on this contract

[The_Hater]

The issue still is he's paid as a #2 option on a championship and his contract might ultimately prevent the 76ers from landing that guy.

If the 76ers had a #2 option, he'd be fine as the #3 guy, even with the contract.

The issue with the 76ers is that they have a #1 and #3 option, but not a #2 option.

Agree about the #2 option part and his salary, but he’s got some Bam and Draymond in him. Those players generally help you win in the playoffs without being big scorers. They’re important cogs. And teams often pay 3 guys max or close to the max when they’re trying to win the title.

We’re in a situation where offensive production has not met expectations for Ben and everyone is grossly overreacting on how bad he is right now. He deserves lots of criticism for the recent playoffs and his lack of offensive development, but he’s still a very good NBA player even if nothing changes. And again, people seem to have written off any chance that he will improve. I gotta figure his ego is talking to him right now and he knows something has to change.

I disagree, everyone knows the value of Simmons, he's an All Star, and arguably the most versatile defender in the league with legit quasi point guard skills.

The issue still is he hasn't evolved his offensive game in any way since being drafted. His strengths have gotten stronger, but so have his weaknesses. He was given that contract in the hopes that he would expand his offensive game, beyond what it is now. He has not done so for yet.

Given his height, speed, ball handling, and passing when he entered the league, who knows what his true peak ceiling really is.

I don't think he's anywhere close to it, and I doubt he'll ever will be.

I’m not sure every team values him the same but I’m guessing they all value him higher than most fans do right now (although several rungs below where Morey is trying to put him) GM’s aren’t as reactionary and sudden with their player evaluations.

Anyways, my point is that right now he’s been painted into a box, and his critics are assuming that means he’ll never improve his weaknesses and will remain a terrible playoff player and remain in that box. But the world doesn’t work this way, everything isn’t this easy to project with a 24 year old player. Stagnation is rare

[dhsilv2]

He was paid on potential, but he doesn’t get better. Worst contract in the league. Sixers better trade him before everyone else figures that out.

Multiple All-Star teams
All NBA team
All NBA defensive team
2nd in DPOY voting

I know it’s **** on Ben summer but let’s not pretend none of this ever happened. He just might be a different type of player then people had in mind for him, but he still has several elite level skills that any NBA team would be interested in.

We also shouldn’t assume that it’s impossible for him to improve going forward, this is an assumption that often gets proven wrong after fans put a player in a box and assume that’s all there is.

The issue still is he's paid as a #2 option on a championship and his contract might ultimately prevent the 76ers from landing that guy.

If the 76ers had a #2 option, he'd be fine as the #3 guy, even with the contract.

The issue with the 76ers is that they have a #1 and #3 option, but not a #2 option.

They're paying Harris 6 million more than Embiid or Simmons...and they signed him after Simmons...

[Vampirate]

Agree about the #2 option part and his salary, but he’s got some Bam and Draymond in him. Those players generally help you win in the playoffs without being big scorers. They’re important cogs. And teams often pay 3 guys max or close to the max when they’re trying to win the title.

We’re in a situation where offensive production has not met expectations for Ben and everyone is grossly overreacting on how bad he is right now. He deserves lots of criticism for the recent playoffs and his lack of offensive development, but he’s still a very good NBA player even if nothing changes. And again, people seem to have written off any chance that he will improve. I gotta figure his ego is talking to him right now and he knows something has to change.

I disagree, everyone knows the value of Simmons, he's an All Star, and arguably the most versatile defender in the league with legit quasi point guard skills.

The issue still is he hasn't evolved his offensive game in any way since being drafted. His strengths have gotten stronger, but so have his weaknesses. He was given that contract in the hopes that he would expand his offensive game, beyond what it is now. He has not done so for yet.

Given his height, speed, ball handling, and passing when he entered the league, who knows what his true peak ceiling really is.

I don't think he's anywhere close to it, and I doubt he'll ever will be.

I’m not sure every team values him the same but I’m guessing they all value him higher than most fans do right now (although several rungs below where Morey is trying to put him) GM’s aren’t as reactionary and sudden with their player evaluations.

Anyways, my point is that right now he’s been painted into a box, and his critics are assuming that means he’ll never improve his weaknesses and will remain a terrible playoff player and remain in that box. But the world doesn’t work this way, everything isn’t this easy to project with a 24 year old player. Stagnation is rare

As always the answer relies in his shooting, forget the 3 point line but if he can get his FT% to about 70% and work on his mid range, he'd be very deadly. If he does this, he wouldn't fear getting fouled.

Imagine a more fluid, 6' 11" Demar Derozan with All NBA defense.

Judging by the summer league highlight video I posted where he was taking and making deep mid range jumpers with confidence, i'd say this is possible. (yes, it's SL, but it was showing he had that skill to an extent coming in into the league)

[The_Hater]

I disagree, everyone knows the value of Simmons, he's an All Star, and arguably the most versatile defender in the league with legit quasi point guard skills.

The issue still is he hasn't evolved his offensive game in any way since being drafted. His strengths have gotten stronger, but so have his weaknesses. He was given that contract in the hopes that he would expand his offensive game, beyond what it is now. He has not done so for yet.

Given his height, speed, ball handling, and passing when he entered the league, who knows what his true peak ceiling really is.

I don't think he's anywhere close to it, and I doubt he'll ever will be.

I’m not sure every team values him the same but I’m guessing they all value him higher than most fans do right now (although several rungs below where Morey is trying to put him) GM’s aren’t as reactionary and sudden with their player evaluations.

Anyways, my point is that right now he’s been painted into a box, and his critics are assuming that means he’ll never improve his weaknesses and will remain a terrible playoff player and remain in that box. But the world doesn’t work this way, everything isn’t this easy to project with a 24 year old player. Stagnation is rare

As always the answer relies in his shooting, forget the 3 point line but if he can get his FT% to about 70% and work on his mid range, he'd be very deadly. If he does this, he wouldn't fear getting fouled.

Imagine a more fluid, 6' 11" Demar Derozan with All NBA defense.

Judging by the summer league highlight video I posted where he was taking and making deep mid range jumpers with confidence, i'd say this is possible. (yes, it's SL, but it was showing he had that skill to an extent coming in into the league)

Well he’s never going to be much of a shooter, although that aspect could still improve. And even improving his FT% 10-12% would help him quite a bit and perhaps take away that mental block he has avoiding getting fouled. And these are just little things that are very doable.

But you also can’t discount a new coach or team putting him into a much better situation in terms of a team offense and how he plays inside that system. When Embiid was out 3-4 years ago, the Sixers really pushed the pace and Simmons was awesome. Philly has had some very muddled lineups since then with poor spacing besides Ben and hasn’t run as much. I don’t think he’s been playing in his ideal situation, not that I think teams should alter everything just to accommodate him.

[DroseReturnChi]

Once he gets the bag he will get even worse as a player. You can tell he is the type of player who gets the bag and stops trying not that he tried much in the first place.

He will shoot 40-50% from the line once he gets the bag, maybe 60% if lucky.

hes a career 60% shooter. not sure why hate ball was trashed as 40% ft shooter and hes shooting 80%.
ft is the most overrated part of the game. he has good form all he needs is become good at midrange like derozan.

its all mental. if he was given franchise player treatment in a new team, he would be shooting 65%, 30% from deep by the time of his next contract and those are conservative estimates.

[Vampirate]

I’m not sure every team values him the same but I’m guessing they all value him higher than most fans do right now (although several rungs below where Morey is trying to put him) GM’s aren’t as reactionary and sudden with their player evaluations.

Anyways, my point is that right now he’s been painted into a box, and his critics are assuming that means he’ll never improve his weaknesses and will remain a terrible playoff player and remain in that box. But the world doesn’t work this way, everything isn’t this easy to project with a 24 year old player. Stagnation is rare

As always the answer relies in his shooting, forget the 3 point line but if he can get his FT% to about 70% and work on his mid range, he'd be very deadly. If he does this, he wouldn't fear getting fouled.

Imagine a more fluid, 6' 11" Demar Derozan with All NBA defense.

Judging by the summer league highlight video I posted where he was taking and making deep mid range jumpers with confidence, i'd say this is possible. (yes, it's SL, but it was showing he had that skill to an extent coming in into the league)

Well he’s never going to be much of a shooter, although that aspect could still improve. And even improving his FT% 10-12% would help him quite a bit and perhaps take away that mental block he has avoiding getting fouled. And these are just little things that are very doable.

But you also can’t discount a new coach or team putting him into a much better situation in terms of a team offense and how he plays inside that system. When Embiid was out 3-4 years ago, the Sixers really pushed the pace and Simmons was awesome. Philly has had some very muddled lineups since then with poor spacing besides Ben and hasn’t run as much. I don’t think he’s been playing in his ideal situation, not that I think teams should alter everything just to accommodate him.

The issue still remains the same though, until he improves his shooting, you are hard capping your teams ceiling if you trade for him considering he's a 3rd best player on a championship team being paid as a #1.

The other route of course is Simmons going the Giannis/Shaq route and dominating in the paint, free throws be damned. As good as Simmons is, I don't know if he can just bully his way in the paint to get 25+ points per game on elite efficiency while still being a poor FT shooter.

[Couch Potato]

He'll be traded for positive value so yes, he's still a + on this contract

Positive from who? I keep thinking McCollum and scraps. Yet reports say trades are dying down unless Lillard is available. Simmons don't have that value. Tobias added is negative with salary matches.

[KuruptedCav]

this is getting shameful. ben is a max player imo, and one semi-bad playoff series should not take away from that. all this overreaction is getting weird.

Semi bad? He was atrocious. He was scared to shoot in every fourth quarter. Even passed up layups.

almost every great player has had a bad series, this is no different. folks are making a mountain out of a molehill. simmons is NOT the reason they lost that series. there's enough blame to go around.

It comes from his VORP and BPM dropping since his rookie year, his shooting remaining abysmally poor, and teams being able to employ hack a Ben and collapse the paint as he doesn’t need to be checked outside the lane.


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[thinktank]

Jason Kidd comes to mind when I think of a player that really turned around his shooting around age 24.

It can happen.

I have to say that I’m coming around on my Wolves pulling the trigger, if possible.

Only if Philly wanted DLo or Beasley plus a bunch of picks. Would probably take a 3rd team.

[nikster]

If your trying to win a championship, I wouldnt want to pay him. Hard to get that value when he becomes a net negative offensively when things slow down

[GoBobs]

Multiple All-Star teams
All NBA team
All NBA defensive team
2nd in DPOY voting

I know it’s **** on Ben summer but let’s not pretend none of this ever happened. He just might be a different type of player then people had in mind for him, but he still has several elite level skills that any NBA team would be interested in.

We also shouldn’t assume that it’s impossible for him to improve going forward, this is an assumption that often gets proven wrong after fans put a player in a box and assume that’s all there is.

The issue still is he's paid as a #2 option on a championship and his contract might ultimately prevent the 76ers from landing that guy.

If the 76ers had a #2 option, he'd be fine as the #3 guy, even with the contract.

The issue with the 76ers is that they have a #1 and #3 option, but not a #2 option.

Agree about the #2 option part and his salary, but he’s got some Bam and Draymond in him. Those players generally help you win in the playoffs without being big scorers. They’re important cogs. And teams often pay 3 guys max or close to the max when they’re trying to win the title.

We’re in a situation where offensive production has not met expectations for Ben and everyone is grossly overreacting on how bad he is right now. He deserves lots of criticism for the recent playoffs and his lack of offensive development, but he’s still a very good NBA player even if nothing changes. And again, people seem to have written off any chance that he will improve. I gotta figure his ego is talking to him right now and he knows something has to change.

If you shoot 38% from the ft line and cost your team the series you aren’t worth anything

[The_Hater]

The issue still is he's paid as a #2 option on a championship and his contract might ultimately prevent the 76ers from landing that guy.

If the 76ers had a #2 option, he'd be fine as the #3 guy, even with the contract.

The issue with the 76ers is that they have a #1 and #3 option, but not a #2 option.

Agree about the #2 option part and his salary, but he’s got some Bam and Draymond in him. Those players generally help you win in the playoffs without being big scorers. They’re important cogs. And teams often pay 3 guys max or close to the max when they’re trying to win the title.

We’re in a situation where offensive production has not met expectations for Ben and everyone is grossly overreacting on how bad he is right now. He deserves lots of criticism for the recent playoffs and his lack of offensive development, but he’s still a very good NBA player even if nothing changes. And again, people seem to have written off any chance that he will improve. I gotta figure his ego is talking to him right now and he knows something has to change.

If you shoot 38% from the ft line and cost your team the series you aren’t worth anything

Shaq, Wilt, Russell. All top 10 players of all time. All worse FT shooters then Ben Simmons. One season Wilt shot 38.8% during the entire playoffs and his team won the title.

Also, Ben shot 61% in the regular season but you decided to cherry pick his worst 7 game stretch. Seems a tad bit biased on the sample size dont't ya think?

But sure, whatever you say.

[the_process]

He'll be traded for positive value so yes, he's still a + on this contract

Positive from who? I keep thinking McCollum and scraps. Yet reports say trades are dying down unless Lillard is available. Simmons don't have that value. Tobias added is negative with salary matches.

They didn't say trades were dying down. They said Morey was probably just going to hold on to Simmons at least through camp unless Lillard became available.