Official Trade Thread - Part XLI

[Illuminaire]

That's not what I said. It obviously doesn't make a career; it's a plus in projecting which way his career will go. I even said I'm not sold on him one way or the other.

I get the attraction. Reddish looks like a player. He's got all the tools.

I'd still call him fool's gold. I was strongly against drafting him, and all of the reasons still hold true today. He's a shooter who can't shoot, and is below average at almost literally every other aspect of the game.

Whatever "it" makes Jalen Suggs great, Reddish has the exact opposite. He somehow inverts his own talent and becomes a net negative. Then once in a while, he puts together a WOW moment that sucks people back into his potential.

He's the kind of guy I would certainly pick up off waivers or as a minimum contract 11th man. But never, ever, ever give up assets for someone who only looks like a basketball player.

[Ruzious]

Still, when the Wow moment is deep in the playoffs, ya gotta weigh it more. Same thing when good players have poor playoff performances, ya gotta weigh that against them.

[dckingsfan]

Towns isn't going anywhere unless he requests a trade, and they can get more from other teams. I'm surprised Minny hasn't yet re-signed their RFA, Jarred Vanderbilt. Not sure what they're waiting for. Seems like he's a real up and comer who would complement Towns well up front - if he stays healthy.

So much for our fanatical what if

[thinker07]

What I see is that with the Todd signing (3 years guaranteed) the Wiz have

3 PG (SD, AH, RN)
1 true SG Beal
2 wing types KCP and Kispert
6 PF types Rui, Deni, Bertans, Kuzma,Todd, Gill
3 Centers Gafford, Trez Bryant

Of course one might say Kuzma or Deni, for example are 3/4's etc BUT the roster is obviously overweighted 4's and 3/4's and underweighted with 2's or 2/3's.

Shepherd said in Vegas he wants to balance the roster.

They guaranteed Gill, which doesn't make sense unless they are planning to trade one of the PF's Bertans or Kuzma.

We know the team is super close to luxury tax vicinity that will limit their flexibility.

So I'm sure they want to take care of both those things. To me the ideal would be to try and offload the worst contract on the team which is most likely Bertans and who is also the least versatile player positionally and defensively. They need salary relief and they don't necessarily even need a player in trade because they could then bring back Mathews -- Who there has been ZERO discussion of.

So looking at how the Wiz could bring that about -- I'd look at New Orleans who has had a fairly disastrous off season and who have been reported as looking for high level shooting to pair with Zion and Ingrahm. They also have a $17 million TPE. That makes sense to me to do a deal there to either trade him outright for a pick or potentially a S&T for a less expensive player like Josh Hart. The Wiz would then lower their salary, balance their roster a bit, and under that deal likely end up with a decent TPE.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

What I see is that with the Todd signing (3 years guaranteed) the Wiz have

3 PG (SD, AH, RN)
1 true SG Beal
2 wing types KCP and Kispert
6 PF types Rui, Deni, Bertans, Kuzma,Todd, Gill
3 Centers Gafford, Trez Bryant

Of course one might say Kuzma or Deni, for example are 3/4's etc BUT the roster is obviously overweighted 4's and 3/4's and underweighted with 2's or 2/3's.

Shepherd said in Vegas he wants to balance the roster.

They guaranteed Gill, which doesn't make sense unless they are planning to trade one of the PF's Bertans or Kuzma.

We know the team is super close to luxury tax vicinity that will limit their flexibility.

So I'm sure they want to take care of both those things. To me the ideal would be to try and offload the worst contract on the team which is most likely Bertans and who is also the least versatile player positionally and defensively. They need salary relief and they don't necessarily even need a player in trade because they could then bring back Mathews -- Who there has been ZERO discussion of.

So looking at how the Wiz could bring that about -- I'd look at New Orleans who has had a fairly disastrous off season and who have been reported as looking for high level shooting to pair with Zion and Ingrahm. They also have a $17 million TPE. That makes sense to me to do a deal there to either trade him outright for a pick or potentially a S&T for a less expensive player like Josh Hart. The Wiz would then lower their salary, balance their roster a bit, and under that deal likely end up with a decent TPE.

Josh Hart is an intriguing player. Good rebounder, can defend, but looks like his jumper may be a bit shaky though it’s not terrible.

[thinker07]

I think the point is to get off Bertans' contract more so than to get a particularly useful player

[payitforward]

But Hart is a useful player. Well done, thinker07!!

[SUPERBALLMAN]

What I see is that with the Todd signing (3 years guaranteed) the Wiz have

3 PG (SD, AH, RN)
1 true SG Beal
2 wing types KCP and Kispert
6 PF types Rui, Deni, Bertans, Kuzma,Todd, Gill
3 Centers Gafford, Trez Bryant

Of course one might say Kuzma or Deni, for example are 3/4's etc BUT the roster is obviously overweighted 4's and 3/4's and underweighted with 2's or 2/3's.

Shepherd said in Vegas he wants to balance the roster.

They guaranteed Gill, which doesn't make sense unless they are planning to trade one of the PF's Bertans or Kuzma.

We know the team is super close to luxury tax vicinity that will limit their flexibility.

So I'm sure they want to take care of both those things. To me the ideal would be to try and offload the worst contract on the team which is most likely Bertans and who is also the least versatile player positionally and defensively. They need salary relief and they don't necessarily even need a player in trade because they could then bring back Mathews -- Who there has been ZERO discussion of.

So looking at how the Wiz could bring that about -- I'd look at New Orleans who has had a fairly disastrous off season and who have been reported as looking for high level shooting to pair with Zion and Ingrahm. They also have a $17 million TPE. That makes sense to me to do a deal there to either trade him outright for a pick or potentially a S&T for a less expensive player like Josh Hart. The Wiz would then lower their salary, balance their roster a bit, and under that deal likely end up with a decent TPE.

I like this.

They are a good potential trade partner, that TPE is very appealing, and they have several other players I wouldn't mind dealing for Bertans, including Garrett Temple, Satoransky, and Nickeil Alexander-Walker.

[payitforward]

What I see is that with the Todd signing (3 years guaranteed) the Wiz have

3 PG (SD, AH, RN)
1 true SG Beal
2 wing types KCP and Kispert
6 PF types Rui, Deni, Bertans, Kuzma,Todd, Gill
3 Centers Gafford, Trez Bryant

Of course one might say Kuzma or Deni, for example are 3/4's etc BUT the roster is obviously overweighted 4's and 3/4's and underweighted with 2's or 2/3's.

Shepherd said in Vegas he wants to balance the roster.

They guaranteed Gill, which doesn't make sense unless they are planning to trade one of the PF's Bertans or Kuzma.

We know the team is super close to luxury tax vicinity that will limit their flexibility.

So I'm sure they want to take care of both those things. To me the ideal would be to try and offload the worst contract on the team which is most likely Bertans and who is also the least versatile player positionally and defensively. They need salary relief and they don't necessarily even need a player in trade because they could then bring back Mathews -- Who there has been ZERO discussion of.

So looking at how the Wiz could bring that about -- I'd look at New Orleans who has had a fairly disastrous off season and who have been reported as looking for high level shooting to pair with Zion and Ingrahm. They also have a $17 million TPE. That makes sense to me to do a deal there to either trade him outright for a pick or potentially a S&T for a less expensive player like Josh Hart. The Wiz would then lower their salary, balance their roster a bit, and under that deal likely end up with a decent TPE.

Josh Hart is an intriguing player. Good rebounder, can defend, but looks like his jumper may be a bit shaky though it’s not terrible.

Hart just re-signed with the Pels -- 3 years, $38m.

[gambitx777]

What I see is that with the Todd signing (3 years guaranteed) the Wiz have

3 PG (SD, AH, RN)
1 true SG Beal
2 wing types KCP and Kispert
6 PF types Rui, Deni, Bertans, Kuzma,Todd, Gill
3 Centers Gafford, Trez Bryant

Of course one might say Kuzma or Deni, for example are 3/4's etc BUT the roster is obviously overweighted 4's and 3/4's and underweighted with 2's or 2/3's.

Shepherd said in Vegas he wants to balance the roster.

They guaranteed Gill, which doesn't make sense unless they are planning to trade one of the PF's Bertans or Kuzma.

We know the team is super close to luxury tax vicinity that will limit their flexibility.

So I'm sure they want to take care of both those things. To me the ideal would be to try and offload the worst contract on the team which is most likely Bertans and who is also the least versatile player positionally and defensively. They need salary relief and they don't necessarily even need a player in trade because they could then bring back Mathews -- Who there has been ZERO discussion of.

So looking at how the Wiz could bring that about -- I'd look at New Orleans who has had a fairly disastrous off season and who have been reported as looking for high level shooting to pair with Zion and Ingrahm. They also have a $17 million TPE. That makes sense to me to do a deal there to either trade him outright for a pick or potentially a S&T for a less expensive player like Josh Hart. The Wiz would then lower their salary, balance their roster a bit, and under that deal likely end up with a decent TPE.

Josh Hart is an intriguing player. Good rebounder, can defend, but looks like his jumper may be a bit shaky though it’s not terrible.

Hart just re-signed with the Pels -- 3 years, $38m.

I wanted to make a trade with mini for the package the grizz got for Bev but that's gone. Maybe we can. I wouldn't be made brining honestly back . Cutting gill or trading him.

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[nate33]

Just had a passing idea:

Beal to Sixers
Simmons to Minnesota
Edwards to DC

That's the main trade. Picks and filler would have to be included. Certainly the Sixers need to send at least one 1st to DC in order to upgrade from Simmons to Beal. Minnesota would include Patrick Beverley's expiring plus Josh Okogie to DC.

It gives the Wizards an interesting young core for the future:

PG Holiday
SG Edwards/Okogie
SF Kispert/
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Bryant

All those guys are 24 or younger.

Plus they'd have a veteran group of Dinwiddie, KCP, Bertans, Kuzma, Harrell to carry the team while the youngsters develop.

Obviously, it's a big gamble on Edwards. He wasn't very good last year, but he came on really strong at the end of the season. Not sure if it was just a fluke against tired/tanking teams, or if he figured things out. In April (16 games), he averaged 22 points on a TS% of .554. In May (8 games), he averaged 27 points on a TS% of .654.

[mhd]

Just had a passing idea:

Beal to Sixers
Simmons to Minnesota
Edwards to DC

That's the main trade. Picks and filler would have to be included. Certainly the Sixers need to send at least one 1st to DC in order to upgrade from Simmons to Beal. Minnesota would include Patrick Beverley's expiring plus Josh Okogie to DC.

It gives the Wizards an interesting young core for the future:

PG Holiday
SG Edwards/Okogie
SF Kispert/
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Bryant

All those guys are 24 or younger.

Plus they'd have a veteran group of Dinwiddie, KCP, Bertans, Kuzma, Harrell to carry the team while the youngsters develop.

Obviously, it's a big gamble on Edwards. He wasn't very good last year, but he came on really strong at the end of the season. Not sure if it was just a fluke against tired/tanking teams, or if he figured things out. In April (16 games), he averaged 22 points on a TS% of .554. In May (8 games), he averaged 27 points on a TS% of .654.

Minny isn't trading Edwards IMO. I think they have him higher on their pecking order than KAT (when you factor in youth, salary, etc). I think they are trying to trade Russell+picks for Ben.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Just had a passing idea:

Beal to Sixers
Simmons to Minnesota
Edwards to DC

That's the main trade. Picks and filler would have to be included. Certainly the Sixers need to send at least one 1st to DC in order to upgrade from Simmons to Beal. Minnesota would include Patrick Beverley's expiring plus Josh Okogie to DC.

It gives the Wizards an interesting young core for the future:

PG Holiday
SG Edwards/Okogie
SF Kispert/
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Bryant

All those guys are 24 or younger.

Plus they'd have a veteran group of Dinwiddie, KCP, Bertans, Kuzma, Harrell to carry the team while the youngsters develop.

Obviously, it's a big gamble on Edwards. He wasn't very good last year, but he came on really strong at the end of the season. Not sure if it was just a fluke against tired/tanking teams, or if he figured things out. In April (16 games), he averaged 22 points on a TS% of .554. In May (8 games), he averaged 27 points on a TS% of .654.

Minny isn't trading Edwards IMO. I think they have him higher on their pecking order than KAT (when you factor in youth, salary, etc). I think they are trying to trade Russell+picks for Ben.

Probably the best Wizards trade involved with Simmons I've seen on this board, but agree with mhd, I don't think it makes sense for Minny. Even if you think they are going for a playoff run under new ownership around Towns, Simmons, and Russell and they are really bullish on Malik Beasley, you would have to believe they'd also have a few picks going their way. I suppose maybe Minny values Simmons a lot higher than other team because they feel they can pair him with a perimeter oriented big ala Towns, someone that will give him the paint unlike Embiid, but Edwards seems like a lot to gamble away in hoping the stars align with Simmons.

With that said, pretty much no-brainer from Philly and the Wizards perspectives. Wizards then go into the deadline looking for contenders to jettison a couple of our valuable, veteran role players, for future assets.

[nate33]

I suppose maybe Minny values Simmons a lot higher than other team because they feel they can pair him with a perimeter oriented big ala Towns, someone that will give him the paint unlike Embiid, but Edwards seems like a lot to gamble away in hoping the stars align with Simmons.

With that said, pretty much no-brainer from Philly and the Wizards perspectives.

That's what I was thinking.

The fact is, this trade brings back players to each team that are a much better fit in terms of chemistry, age and direction going forward. With that as the reality, even if the pieces don't match up perfectly valuewise, the net gain could be positive for all teams.

I can't think of a better team in the league for Simmons given his ability to offset all of KAT's defensive weaknesses while KAT can offset Simmons' offensive weaknesses.

I can't think of a better destination for Beal as a perimeter shot creator in his prime with a limited championship window than a contending team like Philly with a dire need for shot creation at the guard spot who also have defenders who can compensate for Beal's weakness there.

I can't think of many trade ideas where Beal goes out and we get back a very young guy with legit all-NBA caliber potential and who can fill the much needed (in Beal's absence) role of primary scorer.

[penbeast0]

Not sure why Philly would take 1 year of Beal under contract rather than 4 years of Anthony Edwards (even if Minnesota was willing to move him for Simmons).

[gambitx777]

Not sure why Philly would take 1 year of Beal under contract rather than 4 years of Anthony Edwards (even if Minnesota was willing to move him for Simmons).

Because perception and if you put Beal with embid that's a tittle contender. And if you won a tittle the future is worth lighting up like a bon fire at that point.

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[nate33]

Not sure why Philly would take 1 year of Beal under contract rather than 4 years of Anthony Edwards (even if Minnesota was willing to move him for Simmons).

I don't think it's a mystery at all. Beal is an All-NBA guard in his prime who would certainly resign with Philly rather than play someplace like Detroit or OKC (nobody else has max money). Edwards is a raw 20-year-old who is at least 2-3 years away from being an All-Star talent, if he ever gets there at all.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Just had a passing idea:

Beal to Sixers
Simmons to Minnesota
Edwards to DC

That's the main trade. Picks and filler would have to be included. Certainly the Sixers need to send at least one 1st to DC in order to upgrade from Simmons to Beal. Minnesota would include Patrick Beverley's expiring plus Josh Okogie to DC.

It gives the Wizards an interesting young core for the future:

PG Holiday
SG Edwards/Okogie
SF Kispert/
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Bryant

All those guys are 24 or younger.

Plus they'd have a veteran group of Dinwiddie, KCP, Bertans, Kuzma, Harrell to carry the team while the youngsters develop.

Obviously, it's a big gamble on Edwards. He wasn't very good last year, but he came on really strong at the end of the season. Not sure if it was just a fluke against tired/tanking teams, or if he figured things out. In April (16 games), he averaged 22 points on a TS% of .554. In May (8 games), he averaged 27 points on a TS% of .654.

Yup. Nice

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Just had a passing idea:

Beal to Sixers
Simmons to Minnesota
Edwards to DC

That's the main trade. Picks and filler would have to be included. Certainly the Sixers need to send at least one 1st to DC in order to upgrade from Simmons to Beal. Minnesota would include Patrick Beverley's expiring plus Josh Okogie to DC.

It gives the Wizards an interesting young core for the future:

PG Holiday
SG Edwards/Okogie
SF Kispert/
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Gafford/Bryant

All those guys are 24 or younger.

Plus they'd have a veteran group of Dinwiddie, KCP, Bertans, Kuzma, Harrell to carry the team while the youngsters develop.

Obviously, it's a big gamble on Edwards. He wasn't very good last year, but he came on really strong at the end of the season. Not sure if it was just a fluke against tired/tanking teams, or if he figured things out. In April (16 games), he averaged 22 points on a TS% of .554. In May (8 games), he averaged 27 points on a TS% of .654.

Minny isn't trading Edwards IMO. I think they have him higher on their pecking order than KAT (when you factor in youth, salary, etc). I think they are trying to trade Russell+picks for Ben.

Probably the best Wizards trade involved with Simmons I've seen on this board, but agree with mhd, I don't think it makes sense for Minny. Even if you think they are going for a playoff run under new ownership around Towns, Simmons, and Russell and they are really bullish on Malik Beasley, you would have to believe they'd also have a few picks going their way. I suppose maybe Minny values Simmons a lot higher than other team because they feel they can pair him with a perimeter oriented big ala Towns, someone that will give him the paint unlike Embiid, but Edwards seems like a lot to gamble away in hoping the stars align with Simmons.

With that said, pretty much no-brainer from Philly and the Wizards perspectives. Wizards then go into the deadline looking for contenders to jettison a couple of our valuable, veteran role players, for future assets.

Perhaps Nate can come up with a Karl Anthony Towns idea to DC also involving Beal?

I don't care how good Edwards gets I'd rather have Towns right now

[gambitx777]

Minny isn't trading Edwards IMO. I think they have him higher on their pecking order than KAT (when you factor in youth, salary, etc). I think they are trying to trade Russell+picks for Ben.

Probably the best Wizards trade involved with Simmons I've seen on this board, but agree with mhd, I don't think it makes sense for Minny. Even if you think they are going for a playoff run under new ownership around Towns, Simmons, and Russell and they are really bullish on Malik Beasley, you would have to believe they'd also have a few picks going their way. I suppose maybe Minny values Simmons a lot higher than other team because they feel they can pair him with a perimeter oriented big ala Towns, someone that will give him the paint unlike Embiid, but Edwards seems like a lot to gamble away in hoping the stars align with Simmons.

With that said, pretty much no-brainer from Philly and the Wizards perspectives. Wizards then go into the deadline looking for contenders to jettison a couple of our valuable, veteran role players, for future assets.

Perhaps Nate can come up with a Karl Anthony Towns idea to DC also involving Beal?

I don't care how good Edwards gets I'd rather have Towns right now

Why on earth would you want towns with out Beal?

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