Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[minimus]

We need last move from Rosas, a knockout.

I can see two targets who might be last piece of puzzle: OG Anunoby or Scottie Barnes

Prince, Reid, Okogie, two 2nd round picks for OG Anunoby

KAT/??? + Knight
Anunoby/Vando/Layman
McDaniels/Edwards
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

or Layman, Reid, 1st round picks for for Scottie Barnes

KAT/??? + Knight
Barnes/Vando/
McDaniels/Edwards/Okogie
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

Why for TOR: they need a center badly and they are loaded at PF with Siakam, Anunoby, Barnes, Boucher.
Why for MIN: Anunoby+McDaniels+Beverly or Barnes+McDaniels+Beverly is an elite defensive unit. I cant think of better defensive-minded wing combo for MIN, maybe Jon Isaac, but he is injured.

[Baseline81]

MIN GETS: Chris Bouchard + TOR 2023 2nd
TOR GETS: Naz Reid, Jake Layman, Josh Okogie

MIN gets their starting PF on a reasonable contract ($7 mil, expiring). Bouchard is 28, but we would get his Bird rights. He can defend, and he can shoot three’s a bit. I worry that TOR players will decline once out of their great organization, but perhaps Chris Finch was part of his success in TOR? The deal also clears an additional $2.8 mil under the lux and a couple roster spots, and maybe finding minutes for Bolmaro and Nowell.

Adding the other players helps us cash in on the cheapness of his deal. Don’t forget, his second cheap year is an illusion. MIN, or whoever he is traded to, is not going to use it and let him become a frustrated UFA that got underpaid. His team will renounce the 2022-23 season and keep him home on a new deal as an RFA.

Why for TOR? Naz is a nice fit as their new starting C. Bouchard would remain a bench player behind Siakim. Layman is salary filler, but Okogie can play, and would be a good mentor for Precious Achiuwa.

Rosas and Finch likely want to see how Reid and Towns perform together first.

[shrink]

We need last move from Rosas, a knockout.

I can see two targets who might be last piece of puzzle: OG Anunoby or Scottie Barnes

Prince, Reid, Okogie, two 2nd round picks for OG Anunoby

KAT/??? + Knight
Anunoby/Vando/Layman
McDaniels/Edwards
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

or Layman, Reid, 1st round picks for for Scottie Barnes

KAT/??? + Knight
Barnes/Vando/
McDaniels/Edwards/Okogie
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

Why for TOR: they need a center badly and they are loaded at PF with Siakam, Anunoby, Barnes, Boucher.
Why for MIN: Anunoby+McDaniels+Beverly or Barnes+McDaniels+Beverly is an elite defensive unit. I cant think of better defensive-minded wing combo for MIN, maybe Jon Isaac, but he is injured.

I love the idea of getting a PF from TOR, but I think it would require much higher offers from MIN to get either of these guys.

TOR just drafted Scottie Barnes fourth, regardless of their PF flood, and with Jalen Suggs still on the board. Trading for their lottery pick selection would require multiple 1sts that likely wouldn’t be lottery. And Anunoby is one of the top defenders in the league, and can still be useful on offense. He’s a fantastic fit for us, but he’s also a fantastic fit for nearly every team, especially contenders. If he was on the market, there would be a bidding war, and I think he’d bring back more than Ben Simmons.

I would rank them Anunoby/Barnes, gap, Siakim, huge gap, Boucher.

[SO_MONEY]

We need last move from Rosas, a knockout.

I can see two targets who might be last piece of puzzle: OG Anunoby or Scottie Barnes

Prince, Reid, Okogie, two 2nd round picks for OG Anunoby

KAT/??? + Knight
Anunoby/Vando/Layman
McDaniels/Edwards
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

or Layman, Reid, 1st round picks for for Scottie Barnes

KAT/??? + Knight
Barnes/Vando/
McDaniels/Edwards/Okogie
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

Why for TOR: they need a center badly and they are loaded at PF with Siakam, Anunoby, Barnes, Boucher.
Why for MIN: Anunoby+McDaniels+Beverly or Barnes+McDaniels+Beverly is an elite defensive unit. I cant think of better defensive-minded wing combo for MIN, maybe Jon Isaac, but he is injured.

I love the idea of getting a PF from TOR, but I think it would require much higher offers from MIN to get either of these guys.

TOR just drafted Scottie Barnes fourth, regardless of their PF flood, and with Jalen Suggs still on the board. Trading for their lottery pick selection would require multiple 1sts that likely wouldn’t be lottery. And Anunoby is one of the top defenders in the league, and can still be useful on offense. He’s a fantastic fit for us, but he’s also a fantastic fit for nearly every team, especially contenders. If he was on the market, there would be a bidding war, and I think he’d bring back more than Ben Simmons.

I would rank them Anunoby/Barnes, gap, Siakim, huge gap, Boucher.

OG is as you said worth more than Ben Simmons. Also more than Siakam.

He would be a guy I would include McDaniels to get.

[minimus]

We need last move from Rosas, a knockout.

I can see two targets who might be last piece of puzzle: OG Anunoby or Scottie Barnes

Prince, Reid, Okogie, two 2nd round picks for OG Anunoby

KAT/??? + Knight
Anunoby/Vando/Layman
McDaniels/Edwards
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

or Layman, Reid, 1st round picks for for Scottie Barnes

KAT/??? + Knight
Barnes/Vando/
McDaniels/Edwards/Okogie
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

Why for TOR: they need a center badly and they are loaded at PF with Siakam, Anunoby, Barnes, Boucher.
Why for MIN: Anunoby+McDaniels+Beverly or Barnes+McDaniels+Beverly is an elite defensive unit. I cant think of better defensive-minded wing combo for MIN, maybe Jon Isaac, but he is injured.

I love the idea of getting a PF from TOR, but I think it would require much higher offers from MIN to get either of these guys.

TOR just drafted Scottie Barnes fourth, regardless of their PF flood, and with Jalen Suggs still on the board. Trading for their lottery pick selection would require multiple 1sts that likely wouldn’t be lottery. And Anunoby is one of the top defenders in the league, and can still be useful on offense. He’s a fantastic fit for us, but he’s also a fantastic fit for nearly every team, especially contenders. If he was on the market, there would be a bidding war, and I think he’d bring back more than Ben Simmons.

I would rank them Anunoby/Barnes, gap, Siakim, huge gap, Boucher.

I agree, Anunoby is worth more than Barnes, Siakim and Boucher. At this point I would trade multiple 1st round picks to get OG. Something like Prince, Reid, Okogie, two 1st round picks (top7 protected) for OG Anunoby

[minimus]

We need last move from Rosas, a knockout.

I can see two targets who might be last piece of puzzle: OG Anunoby or Scottie Barnes

Prince, Reid, Okogie, two 2nd round picks for OG Anunoby

KAT/??? + Knight
Anunoby/Vando/Layman
McDaniels/Edwards
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

or Layman, Reid, 1st round picks for for Scottie Barnes

KAT/??? + Knight
Barnes/Vando/
McDaniels/Edwards/Okogie
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

Why for TOR: they need a center badly and they are loaded at PF with Siakam, Anunoby, Barnes, Boucher.
Why for MIN: Anunoby+McDaniels+Beverly or Barnes+McDaniels+Beverly is an elite defensive unit. I cant think of better defensive-minded wing combo for MIN, maybe Jon Isaac, but he is injured.

I love the idea of getting a PF from TOR, but I think it would require much higher offers from MIN to get either of these guys.

TOR just drafted Scottie Barnes fourth, regardless of their PF flood, and with Jalen Suggs still on the board. Trading for their lottery pick selection would require multiple 1sts that likely wouldn’t be lottery. And Anunoby is one of the top defenders in the league, and can still be useful on offense. He’s a fantastic fit for us, but he’s also a fantastic fit for nearly every team, especially contenders. If he was on the market, there would be a bidding war, and I think he’d bring back more than Ben Simmons.

I would rank them Anunoby/Barnes, gap, Siakim, huge gap, Boucher.

OG is as you said worth more than Ben Simmons. Also more than Siakam.

He would be a guy I would include McDaniels to get.

I would rather trade another our FRP than McDaniels.

[Nick K]

We need last move from Rosas, a knockout.

I can see two targets who might be last piece of puzzle: OG Anunoby or Scottie Barnes

Prince, Reid, Okogie, two 2nd round picks for OG Anunoby

KAT/??? + Knight
Anunoby/Vando/Layman
McDaniels/Edwards
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

or Layman, Reid, 1st round picks for for Scottie Barnes

KAT/??? + Knight
Barnes/Vando/
McDaniels/Edwards/Okogie
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright

Why for TOR: they need a center badly and they are loaded at PF with Siakam, Anunoby, Barnes, Boucher.
Why for MIN: Anunoby+McDaniels+Beverly or Barnes+McDaniels+Beverly is an elite defensive unit. I cant think of better defensive-minded wing combo for MIN, maybe Jon Isaac, but he is injured.

I love the idea of getting a PF from TOR, but I think it would require much higher offers from MIN to get either of these guys.

TOR just drafted Scottie Barnes fourth, regardless of their PF flood, and with Jalen Suggs still on the board. Trading for their lottery pick selection would require multiple 1sts that likely wouldn’t be lottery. And Anunoby is one of the top defenders in the league, and can still be useful on offense. He’s a fantastic fit for us, but he’s also a fantastic fit for nearly every team, especially contenders. If he was on the market, there would be a bidding war, and I think he’d bring back more than Ben Simmons.

I would rank them Anunoby/Barnes, gap, Siakim, huge gap, Boucher.

OG is as you said worth more than Ben Simmons. Also more than Siakam.

He would be a guy I would include McDaniels to get.

OG is a mediocre rebounder at best. Nice player for sure but at 6'7" 230 there isn't much power in PF. I'll keep McDaniels.

[SO_MONEY]

I love the idea of getting a PF from TOR, but I think it would require much higher offers from MIN to get either of these guys.

TOR just drafted Scottie Barnes fourth, regardless of their PF flood, and with Jalen Suggs still on the board. Trading for their lottery pick selection would require multiple 1sts that likely wouldn’t be lottery. And Anunoby is one of the top defenders in the league, and can still be useful on offense. He’s a fantastic fit for us, but he’s also a fantastic fit for nearly every team, especially contenders. If he was on the market, there would be a bidding war, and I think he’d bring back more than Ben Simmons.

I would rank them Anunoby/Barnes, gap, Siakim, huge gap, Boucher.

OG is as you said worth more than Ben Simmons. Also more than Siakam.

He would be a guy I would include McDaniels to get.

I would rather trade another our FRP than McDaniels.

I would trade McDaniels and your TWO firsts...I don't think you get how valuable he is.

[Norseman79]

Rosas and Finch have repeatedly mentioned getting bigger in the front court, we aren't trading for 6'7-6'8 guys. I'm telling you, if a big trade goes down it will be for a larger player than McDaniels.

[SO_MONEY]

Rosas and Finch have repeatedly mentioned getting bigger in the front court, we aren't trading for 6'7-6'8 guys. I'm telling you, if a big trade goes down it will be for a larger player than McDaniels.

Good thing I guess, because they are not trading OG.

[TaylorTag]

It almost feels like Rosas has dual intentions behind our two trades this off-season. Get players who offer skills we lack — defense in Beverley and bench shooting in Prince.

But it’s also just a little too coincidental that both of those guys would be good fits on the 76ers, especially if you consider Beverley’s ties to Doc Rivers and Morey.

It seems like Rosas is trying to acquire players who not only fit our needs but also the needs of the 76ers in the off chance that a Simmons deal doesn’t materialize elsewhere.

If Rosas can use Beverley and Prince in a package to get Simmons, he is a genius and should be an automatic lock for GM of the Year.

If he isn’t able to get Simmons, we shed three guys who didn’t really fit our team for two guys that do. We have a more talented/balanced roster and, even better, Beverley and Prince are expirings so we will have around $27m in extra cap space next off-season to play with

[jpatrick]

Rosas and Finch have repeatedly mentioned getting bigger in the front court, we aren't trading for 6'7-6'8 guys. I'm telling you, if a big trade goes down it will be for a larger player than McDaniels.

Good thing I guess, because they are not trading OG.

This. OG is probably the most untouchable guy on that roster. If, big if, they were going to make a big move, it’d be Siakim going out, who is on a much bigger contract, had an off year in 2020, and publicly clashed with Nick Nurse. I’d take Siakim but I think they’re going to let the season play out before making any moves.

[SO_MONEY]

Rosas and Finch have repeatedly mentioned getting bigger in the front court, we aren't trading for 6'7-6'8 guys. I'm telling you, if a big trade goes down it will be for a larger player than McDaniels.

Good thing I guess, because they are not trading OG.

This. OG is probably the most untouchable guy on that roster. If, big if, they were going to make a big move, it’d be Siakim going out, who is on a much bigger contract, had an off year in 2020, and publicly clashed with Nick Nurse. I’d take Siakim but I think they’re going to let the season play out before making any moves.

This is kind of tangentially related, but man we have one of the stranger fan bases when it comes to evaluating our own players and it has been going on from time immemorial.

We have players that are absolute junk and we want to attribute value to them, then when we actually hit on players we want to give them away and not take the win or maximize return. We want to sign the junk players to overvalued contracts and give away our players who are worth larger contracts for players on other teams on overvalued contracts while not being willing to trade those same players for other valuable players. It is just weird. There isn't any consistency and it is almost... or is backwards...

[minimus]

Good thing I guess, because they are not trading OG.

This. OG is probably the most untouchable guy on that roster. If, big if, they were going to make a big move, it’d be Siakim going out, who is on a much bigger contract, had an off year in 2020, and publicly clashed with Nick Nurse. I’d take Siakim but I think they’re going to let the season play out before making any moves.

This is kind of tangentially related, but man we have one of the stranger fan bases when it comes to evaluating our own players and it has been going on from time immemorial.

We have players that are absolute junk and we want to attribute value to them, then when we actually hit on players we want to give them away and not take the win or maximize return. We want to sign the junk players to overvalued contracts and give away our players who are worth larger contracts for players on other teams on overvalued contracts while not being willing to trade those same players for other valuable players. It is just weird. There isn't any consistency and it is almost... or is backwards...

If you speak about me, my friend, then you can just call me a homer. Yes, I value McDaniels more than Siakam. Would I trade McDaniels and TWO OUR 1st round picks for OG Anunoby? The answer is no, because you close one hole and create another. Also two 1st picks and a promising young player is more than MIN and PHI got for Butler. Rosas got two FRPs for RoCo, but RoCo was an elite defender with two full years left of bargain contract, 12 mil per year. For instance, Siakam is paid 34 mil, Anunoby is paid 18 mil. Siakam is clearly overpaid, Anunoby contract is probably close to market value. McDaniels and Reid have bargain contracts. Am I missing something? I see people saying that Siakam was 2nd options behind Kawhi, but TOR had strong group of veterans including Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka. They all shared responsibility in defense, plus FVV had great moments. Last season Siakam failed so hard as main option, so I doubt that he is more than a role player. Anunoby is still developing but I am not sure how much room for improvement he has.

[SO_MONEY]

This. OG is probably the most untouchable guy on that roster. If, big if, they were going to make a big move, it’d be Siakim going out, who is on a much bigger contract, had an off year in 2020, and publicly clashed with Nick Nurse. I’d take Siakim but I think they’re going to let the season play out before making any moves.

This is kind of tangentially related, but man we have one of the stranger fan bases when it comes to evaluating our own players and it has been going on from time immemorial.

We have players that are absolute junk and we want to attribute value to them, then when we actually hit on players we want to give them away and not take the win or maximize return. We want to sign the junk players to overvalued contracts and give away our players who are worth larger contracts for players on other teams on overvalued contracts while not being willing to trade those same players for other valuable players. It is just weird. There isn't any consistency and it is almost... or is backwards...

If you speak about me, my friend, then you can just call me a homer. Yes, I value McDaniels more than Siakam. Would I trade McDaniels and TWO OUR 1st round picks for OG Anunoby? The answer is no, because you close one hole and create another. Also two 1st picks and a promising young player is more than MIN and PHI got for Butler. Rosas got two FRPs for RoCo, but RoCo was an elite defender with two full years left of bargain contract, 12 mil per year. For instance, Siakam is paid 34 mil, Anunoby is paid 18 mil. Siakam is clearly overpaid, Anunoby contract is probably close to market value. McDaniels and Reid have bargain contracts. Am I missing something? I see people saying that Siakam was 2nd options behind Kawhi, but TOR had strong group of veterans including Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka. They all shared responsibility in defense, plus FVV had great moments. Last season Siakam failed so hard as main option, so I doubt that he is more than a role player. Anunoby is still developing but I am not sure how much room for improvement he has.

I wasn't singling anyone out specifically and I wasn't calling people homers... homers would value their own good players. Hence, we have a weird fan base.

[Macwolf527]

I really like the culture we’re building with the alpha-minded players that’s being added via trade. Across the board starting with Kat, Edwards, DLo, Beasley, McDaniels, Naz, Okogie, then adding Bev and Prince, all of them are far from passive. It’s the one thing I was hesitant about with Culver and Juancho, the lack of confidence. Bev brings that big brother attitude to the team that puts even more of an edge to the squad.

Simmons would be perfect to add to the mix now. I love how he shut the door on the whole Sixers organization. He was like “F” all of you if you’re going to throw me under the bus. I’m hoping we find a way to add him to the mix.

[KGdaBom]

This. OG is probably the most untouchable guy on that roster. If, big if, they were going to make a big move, it’d be Siakim going out, who is on a much bigger contract, had an off year in 2020, and publicly clashed with Nick Nurse. I’d take Siakim but I think they’re going to let the season play out before making any moves.

This is kind of tangentially related, but man we have one of the stranger fan bases when it comes to evaluating our own players and it has been going on from time immemorial.

We have players that are absolute junk and we want to attribute value to them, then when we actually hit on players we want to give them away and not take the win or maximize return. We want to sign the junk players to overvalued contracts and give away our players who are worth larger contracts for players on other teams on overvalued contracts while not being willing to trade those same players for other valuable players. It is just weird. There isn't any consistency and it is almost... or is backwards...

If you speak about me, my friend, then you can just call me a homer. Yes, I value McDaniels more than Siakam. Would I trade McDaniels and TWO OUR 1st round picks for OG Anunoby? The answer is no, because you close one hole and create another. Also two 1st picks and a promising young player is more than MIN and PHI got for Butler. Rosas got two FRPs for RoCo, but RoCo was an elite defender with two full years left of bargain contract, 12 mil per year. For instance, Siakam is paid 34 mil, Anunoby is paid 18 mil. Siakam is clearly overpaid, Anunoby contract is probably close to market value. McDaniels and Reid have bargain contracts. Am I missing something? I see people saying that Siakam was 2nd options behind Kawhi, but TOR had strong group of veterans including Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka. They all shared responsibility in defense, plus FVV had great moments. Last season Siakam failed so hard as main option, so I doubt that he is more than a role player. Anunoby is still developing but I am not sure how much room for improvement he has.

You and your role player BS about Siakam. Yes he is a role player just like LeBron James and Kevin Durant. They all play roles. He is one of the best PFs in the entire league and well worth every penny of his contract.

[minimus]

This is kind of tangentially related, but man we have one of the stranger fan bases when it comes to evaluating our own players and it has been going on from time immemorial.

We have players that are absolute junk and we want to attribute value to them, then when we actually hit on players we want to give them away and not take the win or maximize return. We want to sign the junk players to overvalued contracts and give away our players who are worth larger contracts for players on other teams on overvalued contracts while not being willing to trade those same players for other valuable players. It is just weird. There isn't any consistency and it is almost... or is backwards...

If you speak about me, my friend, then you can just call me a homer. Yes, I value McDaniels more than Siakam. Would I trade McDaniels and TWO OUR 1st round picks for OG Anunoby? The answer is no, because you close one hole and create another. Also two 1st picks and a promising young player is more than MIN and PHI got for Butler. Rosas got two FRPs for RoCo, but RoCo was an elite defender with two full years left of bargain contract, 12 mil per year. For instance, Siakam is paid 34 mil, Anunoby is paid 18 mil. Siakam is clearly overpaid, Anunoby contract is probably close to market value. McDaniels and Reid have bargain contracts. Am I missing something? I see people saying that Siakam was 2nd options behind Kawhi, but TOR had strong group of veterans including Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka. They all shared responsibility in defense, plus FVV had great moments. Last season Siakam failed so hard as main option, so I doubt that he is more than a role player. Anunoby is still developing but I am not sure how much room for improvement he has.

You and your role player BS about Siakam. Yes he is a role player just like LeBron James and Kevin Durant. They all play roles. He is one of the best PFs in the entire league and well worth every penny of his contract.

Common, you are better than this.

[Norseman79]

This is kind of tangentially related, but man we have one of the stranger fan bases when it comes to evaluating our own players and it has been going on from time immemorial.

We have players that are absolute junk and we want to attribute value to them, then when we actually hit on players we want to give them away and not take the win or maximize return. We want to sign the junk players to overvalued contracts and give away our players who are worth larger contracts for players on other teams on overvalued contracts while not being willing to trade those same players for other valuable players. It is just weird. There isn't any consistency and it is almost... or is backwards...

If you speak about me, my friend, then you can just call me a homer. Yes, I value McDaniels more than Siakam. Would I trade McDaniels and TWO OUR 1st round picks for OG Anunoby? The answer is no, because you close one hole and create another. Also two 1st picks and a promising young player is more than MIN and PHI got for Butler. Rosas got two FRPs for RoCo, but RoCo was an elite defender with two full years left of bargain contract, 12 mil per year. For instance, Siakam is paid 34 mil, Anunoby is paid 18 mil. Siakam is clearly overpaid, Anunoby contract is probably close to market value. McDaniels and Reid have bargain contracts. Am I missing something? I see people saying that Siakam was 2nd options behind Kawhi, but TOR had strong group of veterans including Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka. They all shared responsibility in defense, plus FVV had great moments. Last season Siakam failed so hard as main option, so I doubt that he is more than a role player. Anunoby is still developing but I am not sure how much room for improvement he has.

You and your role player BS about Siakam. Yes he is a role player just like LeBron James and Kevin Durant. They all play roles. He is one of the best PFs in the entire league and well worth every penny of his contract.

I have to disagree with this to a point. Siakam is a solid PF, probably 10-15 in the league for sure, but one of the best means top 5, and he isn't that. His last two seasons have also not been worth his contract. Would I take him for the right package? Absolutely!! Would I give the same for him as I would for Simmons? No, not even close

[minimus]

MIN GETS: Chris Bouchard + TOR 2023 2nd
TOR GETS: Naz Reid, Jake Layman, Josh Okogie

MIN gets their starting PF on a reasonable contract ($7 mil, expiring). Bouchard is 28, but we would get his Bird rights. He can defend, and he can shoot three’s a bit. I worry that TOR players will decline once out of their great organization, but perhaps Chris Finch was part of his success in TOR? The deal also clears an additional $2.8 mil under the lux and a couple roster spots, and maybe finding minutes for Bolmaro and Nowell.

Adding the other players helps us cash in on the cheapness of his deal. Don’t forget, his second cheap year is an illusion. MIN, or whoever he is traded to, is not going to use it and let him become a frustrated UFA that got underpaid. His team will renounce the 2022-23 season and keep him home on a new deal as an RFA.

Why for TOR? Naz is a nice fit as their new starting C. Bouchard would remain a bench player behind Siakim. Layman is salary filler, but Okogie can play, and would be a good mentor for Precious Achiuwa.

JFYI 61% of TOR fans would trade Boucher for assets.

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Will Jake Layman, Josh Okogie, two 2nd round picks be enough for Boucher? It is basically the price for one year of his services and right to match any offer when he becomes RFA.

KAT/Reid/Boucher + Knight
Boucher/Vando/McDaniels
McDaniels/Prince/Edwards
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
DLo/Beverly/Bolmaro + Wright