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[2010]

I'm glad the SIM doesn't give out 5 stars like candy.

Spoiler:

The SIM is always going to have an anomaly because it is appropriating numbers into ratings.

When you look at Collins year 2 years ago. He was an efficiency beast.

Nearly was a 60/40/80 guy avg 22/10 and 1.5 blocks and a steal per game.

He got rewarded playing with a genius playmaker in Trae who gets him such good looks and got rewarded with his amazing EFF.

He basically finished the SIM with identical numbers he had in real life that season.

Yeah, I get it. But him, Brandon Clarke, Whiteside, and the ole Faried glitch just irritates me.

[Buzzard]

I'm glad the SIM doesn't give out 5 stars like candy.

Spoiler:

The SIM is always going to have an anomaly because it is appropriating numbers into ratings.

When you look at Collins year 2 years ago. He was an efficiency beast.

Nearly was a 60/40/80 guy avg 22/10 and 1.5 blocks and a steal per game.

He got rewarded playing with a genius playmaker in Trae who gets him such good looks and got rewarded with his amazing EFF.

He basically finished the SIM with identical numbers he had in real life that season.

I think the SIM should hold back .5 to 1.0 stars for defense no matter how good the offensive numbers are. 5.0 is perfect in my mind. Perfect is a standard for both ends of the floor.

[E-Balla]

Jokic and Curry should both be 5's they were the MVP's of the league and while both aren't known for defense they along with KD are the 3 best offensive players in the game right now.

I'm also still putting LeBron in the 5 category as well. And Luka is a 5. Embiid would be close to a 5 for me as well.

But I wouldn't get hung up on individual rankings. I think players individual stats are more important. I truly believe there are some 2.5 star guys better than 3 or 3.5 star guys as long as they are used the right way.

Curry missed the playoffs. He wasn't most valuable nada. The best offensive players in the league don't play on 20th ranked offenses and how bad Golden State was when he wasn't on the court was severely overstated.

Jokic won MVP but I think this was a weak year for MVP. The best players got hurt or didn't play all too much because of load management. His defense is just too terrible and for years his +/- numbers have been very meh because of all the points he gives back on that end.

LeBron... Well that's up for strong debate. I'm sure you can agree what he did last year in a vacuum doesn't deserve 5 stars even if he's a 5 star player.

Luka for damn sure ain't a 5. Every year he gets hurt and his team performs without him but people keep pushing this narrative he's top 5. They're 9-11 without him the last 2 years and don't even play at a 50 win pace when he's healthy. Turning a 35-40 win squad into a 45-50 win squad is star territory. Superstars turn 35-40 win squads into championship contenders. But he's young, he'll get there.

Embiid? Yeah I forgot him. He's legit 5 star.

[Capn'O]

I'm glad the SIM doesn't give out 5 stars like candy.

Spoiler:

The SIM is always going to have an anomaly because it is appropriating numbers into ratings.

When you look at Collins year 2 years ago. He was an efficiency beast.

Nearly was a 60/40/80 guy avg 22/10 and 1.5 blocks and a steal per game.

He got rewarded playing with a genius playmaker in Trae who gets him such good looks and got rewarded with his amazing EFF.

He basically finished the SIM with identical numbers he had in real life that season.

But wither the player averaging nearly 24/5/6 on 62% TS%. The fate of my season depends on whether he's Collins'd or Nurkic'd.

[E-Balla]

Spoiler:

The SIM is always going to have an anomaly because it is appropriating numbers into ratings.

When you look at Collins year 2 years ago. He was an efficiency beast.

Nearly was a 60/40/80 guy avg 22/10 and 1.5 blocks and a steal per game.

He got rewarded playing with a genius playmaker in Trae who gets him such good looks and got rewarded with his amazing EFF.

He basically finished the SIM with identical numbers he had in real life that season.

Yeah, I get it. But him, Brandon Clarke, Whiteside, and the ole Faried glitch just irritates me.

This is why I'm asking for so much for Moses Brown. Based off the research I've done looking at previous sim seasons he's the exact type of guy the sim loves to overrate. Especially in Dallas.

[E-Balla]

No im saying Melo at 88-90 is where he should be. Duncan should be at 92-93 for sure. Dirk should be like a 91.

You lost me with Dwight though. His prime was good but he wasn’t as good as you think he is

Duncan was where he belonged. Dirk was a little underrated because of the rebounding but IIRC when you moved him to SF he was like a 86-87 which is about right.

Unless you are a STAR player on both ends (I mean All Defense and 1st team All NBA) you don't deserve a 90.

I'm just saying we can look at 2k12 and see how overrated Melo was by looking at the historic rosters. Melo that year (and let's remember he had a down season and wasn't even All NBA) had a rating equal to or higher rating than:

1965 Jerry West
1971 Oscar Robertson
1972 Jerry West
1972 Walt Frazier
1991 Sidney Moncrief
1986 Michael Jordan
1986 Kevin McHale
1989 Isiah Thomas
1993 Alonzo Mourning
1995 Penny Hardaway
1996 Shawn Kemp
1996 Gary Payton
1998 Tim Duncan

That **** was egregiously high.

The historic players should be getting higher ratings then

Nah. Everyone ain't a 90. 2k needs to accurately reflect players' weaknesses instead of giving out 90s by making every superstar a good defender no matter what. I should be able to cook on 2k if my player is being checked by Steph, Jokic, or Dame.

[mpharris36]

Jokic and Curry should both be 5's they were the MVP's of the league and while both aren't known for defense they along with KD are the 3 best offensive players in the game right now.

I'm also still putting LeBron in the 5 category as well. And Luka is a 5. Embiid would be close to a 5 for me as well.

But I wouldn't get hung up on individual rankings. I think players individual stats are more important. I truly believe there are some 2.5 star guys better than 3 or 3.5 star guys as long as they are used the right way.

Curry missed the playoffs. He wasn't most valuable nada. The best offensive players in the league don't play on 20th ranked offenses and how bad Golden State was when he wasn't on the court was severely overstated.

Jokic won MVP but I think this was a weak year for MVP. The best players got hurt or didn't play all too much because of load management. His defense is just too terrible and for years his +/- numbers have been very meh because of all the points he gives back on that end.

LeBron... Well that's up for strong debate. I'm sure you can agree what he did last year in a vacuum doesn't deserve 5 stars even if he's a 5 star player.

Luka for damn sure ain't a 5. Every year he gets hurt and his team performs without him but people keep pushing this narrative he's top 5. They're 9-11 without him the last 2 years and don't even play at a 50 win pace when he's healthy. Turning a 35-40 win squad into a 45-50 win squad is star territory. Superstars turn 35-40 win squads into championship contenders. But he's young, he'll get there.

Embiid? Yeah I forgot him. He's legit 5 star.

I don't think your factoring in who these guys are playing with. Who was Curry 2nd best player he was playing with last year? Andrew Wiggins?

Who was Luka's? Tim Hardaway Jr?

Every star needs another star to compete for a title Thats always been the case.

[E-Balla]

I agree there. I don't think Zion deserves a 5. He has outside shooting limitations and defensive issues. I don't see him ever being a 5 unless he gets better at one of those two things at a minimum. I do think he is a career 4 as he stands right now.

I'm of the thought that a 5 star should be great on both ends or so great on one end it bypasses that (which only Curry might fall into this category and I don't think he currently does).

Outside of Giannis, KD, and Kawhi I don't think I could give anyone in the league right now 5/5 stars following last season. LeBron would usually be there but not after last year.

LeBron will without a doubt rate out as a 5-star. The reigning BaF MVP for consecutive seasons, and the way my roster is constructed, I’d bet he has a good chance at a 3rd (barring any type of significant injury).

Oh of course. I'm going off my personal standards. Y'all know I'm the Russian judge here I judge guys way harsher than most. A rating system devised by me would be filled to the brim with 4.5 stars.

[3toheadmelo]

Duncan was where he belonged. Dirk was a little underrated because of the rebounding but IIRC when you moved him to SF he was like a 86-87 which is about right.

Unless you are a STAR player on both ends (I mean All Defense and 1st team All NBA) you don't deserve a 90.

I'm just saying we can look at 2k12 and see how overrated Melo was by looking at the historic rosters. Melo that year (and let's remember he had a down season and wasn't even All NBA) had a rating equal to or higher rating than:

1965 Jerry West
1971 Oscar Robertson
1972 Jerry West
1972 Walt Frazier
1991 Sidney Moncrief
1986 Michael Jordan
1986 Kevin McHale
1989 Isiah Thomas
1993 Alonzo Mourning
1995 Penny Hardaway
1996 Shawn Kemp
1996 Gary Payton
1998 Tim Duncan

That **** was egregiously high.

The historic players should be getting higher ratings then

Nah. Everyone ain't a 90. 2k needs to accurately reflect players' weaknesses instead of giving out 90s by making every superstar a good defender no matter what. I should be able to cook on 2k if my player is being checked by Steph, Jokic, or Dame.

I feel like you want very strict standards. So I won’t argue with that

[mpharris36]

Spoiler:

The SIM is always going to have an anomaly because it is appropriating numbers into ratings.

When you look at Collins year 2 years ago. He was an efficiency beast.

Nearly was a 60/40/80 guy avg 22/10 and 1.5 blocks and a steal per game.

He got rewarded playing with a genius playmaker in Trae who gets him such good looks and got rewarded with his amazing EFF.

He basically finished the SIM with identical numbers he had in real life that season.

Yeah, I get it. But him, Brandon Clarke, Whiteside, and the ole Faried glitch just irritates me.

Faried was a glitch. That shouldn't happen. I can't explain that one.

Clarke again was a SIM EFF beast and his PER 36 were crazy all over. But I agree the issue the SIM sees Clarke shoot 36% from 3 on very low volume and I'm not sure it accounts for a 36% 3 point shooter that takes 6 or 7 3's per game sometimes. Clarke will get a correction because his TS% was over 66% his rookie year. It went down to 56%.

Whiteside per 36 were bananas too and the SIM has yet to account for defense being more than steals and blocks. Its why Whiteside and Harden and even someone like KAT are good defenders in the SIM. When they are horrid defenders in real life.

But thats what your are going to get with some objective stats. Like they should have a little more subjectivity in my eyes to say that Harden should not be finishing the year 1st team all defense

[E-Balla]

I don't think your factoring in who these guys are playing with. Who was Curry 2nd best player he was playing with last year? Andrew Wiggins?

Draymond Green? Future HOFer? The guy that led Golden State to another season with a top 5 defense? Steph has a good enough roster around him to make the playoffs. I've seen Kobe (for example) do far more with a way worse cast. Same for D. Wade. Steph is supposed to be a top 20 player ALL TIME his numbers are cool but where's the results.

Who was Luka's?

Regardless of what their names are they're good enough to be hovering around .500 when Luka ain't even on the court. Dude has a great coach, great G depth, great shooters, and decent defenders around him he should be clearing 50 wins every year.

Plus you must've forgot how I felt about Timmy if you think I don't see him as a pretty good 3rd option for a 50 win squad.

[E-Balla]

The historic players should be getting higher ratings then

Nah. Everyone ain't a 90. 2k needs to accurately reflect players' weaknesses instead of giving out 90s by making every superstar a good defender no matter what. I should be able to cook on 2k if my player is being checked by Steph, Jokic, or Dame.

I feel like you want very strict standards. So I won’t argue with that

That's why I brought up the old 2k ratings. They clearly had a strict standard back then. It just didn't apply to Melo.

[NewEra]

I also won the chip with Westbrook averaging 17ppg, and he won finals MVP. My leading scorer was LMA at 24ppg. The star ratings don’t matter as much as categorical ratings. It’s better to go for fit. You can be a 2 star in sim, but if your defensive rating is a 80, you can still make a huge contribution to winning games.

Not one of my players won player of the month/week or any of those accolades. However, we won 63 games, and after three straight 7 game series we took the trophy home.

[mpharris36]

I don't think your factoring in who these guys are playing with. Who was Curry 2nd best player he was playing with last year? Andrew Wiggins?

Draymond Green? Future HOFer? The guy that led Golden State to another season with a top 5 defense? Steph has a good enough roster around him to make the playoffs. I've seen Kobe (for example) do far more with a way worse cast. Same for D. Wade. Steph is supposed to be a top 20 player ALL TIME his numbers are cool but where's the results.

Who was Luka's?

Regardless of what their names are they're good enough to be hovering around .500 when Luka ain't even on the court. Dude has a great coach, great G depth, great shooters, and decent defenders around him he should be clearing 50 wins every year.

Plus you must've forgot how I felt about Timmy if you think I don't see him as a pretty good 3rd option for a 50 win squad.

What do you want the guy to do. In the play-in tourny he avg 38 ppg on 50/50/95 splits and his team lost two close games. How is that on Curry?

should he have scored 45 each game?

[2010]

I also won the chip with Westbrook averaging 17ppg, and he won finals MVP. My leading scorer was LMA at 24ppg. The star ratings don’t matter as much as categorical ratings. It’s better to go for fit. You can be a 2 star in sim, but if your defensive rating is a 80, you can still make a huge contribution to winning games.

Not one of my players won player of the month/week or any of those accolades. However, we won 63 games, and after three straight 7 game series we took the trophy home.

Which is why I wasn’t shook of KoC’s edition of the Pacers and I ain’t shook of Melo’s Cavs. The games will always need to be played.

And FYI, I took your model from two seasons ago when you won your ring, with the way I’ve chosen to construct my team this season.

If I wasn’t gonna be able to pry legit star power, then going with contributing depth from top to bottom that fits, was the next best thing. Maybe even better.

Cavs may still repeat, but I’m not willing to just lay down for Melo. And I don’t think it’s gonna be the cakewalk through the East that everyone is predicting. EZMoney, Indiana, Orlando, Brooklyn, and I will have something to say to that.

[DaGawd]

Thank you to the GM's that submitted their pre-FA rankings.

The BAFletic BaF Power Rankings V1 will be sent out tomorrow

I'm ready. Didn't submit rankings because honestly I don't understand if we should rate for real life or the sim lol. Certain players I love in real life aren't worthy of love in the sim.

Yeah I didn’t for the reason as well.. that and I won’t be very active in this FA

[NewEra]

I also won the chip with Westbrook averaging 17ppg, and he won finals MVP. My leading scorer was LMA at 24ppg. The star ratings don’t matter as much as categorical ratings. It’s better to go for fit. You can be a 2 star in sim, but if your defensive rating is a 80, you can still make a huge contribution to winning games.

Not one of my players won player of the month/week or any of those accolades. However, we won 63 games, and after three straight 7 game series we took the trophy home.

Which is why I wasn’t shook of KoC’s edition Pacers and I ain’t shook of Melo’s Cavs. The games will always need to be played.

And FYI, I took your model from two seasons ago when you won your ring, with the way I’ve chosen to construct my team this season.

If I wasn’t gonna be able to pry legit star power, then going with contributing depth from top to bottom that fits, was the next best thing. Maybe even better.

Cavs may still repeat, but I’m not willing to just lay down for Melo. And I don’t think it’s gonna be the cakewalk through the East that everyone is predicting. EZMoney, Indiana, Orlando, Brooklyn, and I will have something to say to that.

Talk your talk fam!!! Idk why the East is so quiet. That’s how you approach this! Melo ain’t repeating a damn thing! We not having it.

[3toheadmelo]

I also won the chip with Westbrook averaging 17ppg, and he won finals MVP. My leading scorer was LMA at 24ppg. The star ratings don’t matter as much as categorical ratings. It’s better to go for fit. You can be a 2 star in sim, but if your defensive rating is a 80, you can still make a huge contribution to winning games.

Not one of my players won player of the month/week or any of those accolades. However, we won 63 games, and after three straight 7 game series we took the trophy home.

Which is why I wasn’t shook of KoC’s edition of the Pacers and I ain’t shook of Melo’s Cavs. The games will always need to be played.

And FYI, I took your model from two seasons ago when you won your ring, with the way I’ve chosen to construct my team this season.

If I wasn’t gonna be able to pry legit star power, then going with contributing depth from top to bottom that fits, was the next best thing. Maybe even better.

Cavs may still repeat, but I’m not willing to just lay down for Melo. And I don’t think it’s gonna be the cakewalk through the East that everyone is predicting. EZMoney, Indiana, Orlando, Brooklyn, and I will have something to say to that.

Me looking at the weak eastern and western conferences

[E-Balla]

I don't think your factoring in who these guys are playing with. Who was Curry 2nd best player he was playing with last year? Andrew Wiggins?

Draymond Green? Future HOFer? The guy that led Golden State to another season with a top 5 defense? Steph has a good enough roster around him to make the playoffs. I've seen Kobe (for example) do far more with a way worse cast. Same for D. Wade. Steph is supposed to be a top 20 player ALL TIME his numbers are cool but where's the results.

Who was Luka's?

Regardless of what their names are they're good enough to be hovering around .500 when Luka ain't even on the court. Dude has a great coach, great G depth, great shooters, and decent defenders around him he should be clearing 50 wins every year.

Plus you must've forgot how I felt about Timmy if you think I don't see him as a pretty good 3rd option for a 50 win squad.

What do you want the guy to do. In the play-in tourny he avg 38 ppg on 50/50/95 splits and his team lost two close games. How is that on Curry?

should he have scored 45 each game?

Don't get outplayed by a 2nd year PG? Don't have 13 turnovers and 8 assists in back to back games?

Obviously his team could've played better, but he could've played waaay better. Points are cool, but what about playmaking (I mean you are a PG) and defense?

[Buzzard]

I also won the chip with Westbrook averaging 17ppg, and he won finals MVP. My leading scorer was LMA at 24ppg. The star ratings don’t matter as much as categorical ratings. It’s better to go for fit. You can be a 2 star in sim, but if your defensive rating is a 80, you can still make a huge contribution to winning games.

Not one of my players won player of the month/week or any of those accolades. However, we won 63 games, and after three straight 7 game series we took the trophy home.

And that is just strange. In the NBA, one or two top 5 MVP Players have been in every finals for multiple decades in a row. Its like the SIM rater does not like superstars/super teams ( the big three ) winning championships; so he loads up the ratings to go against what really happens every year in the NBA.

Its very hard for me to get a feel for the type of team I need to build. I am going with balance around Luka ( 5 stars ), Zion ( hopefully 4 stars ), and KP ( hopefully 4 stars ) this season. Lets see how that works out.