Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread

[Shak_Celts]

Just for giggles, if you never saw this guy play, he was pretty damn good.

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LBJ's entire narrative is all about him. if you win playing with LBJ, it's cause LBJ is that great. If you lose, it's your fault, it's not his fault. You could argue that if Bird had full 12 healthy seasons, he'd have a better career than LBJ has had in around 20. Bird's best season >>> LBJ's best season. James is a product of the NBA propaganda. He's great, but he's nowhere near Jordan, hell I'm not sure he's better than Duncan.

Back on topic, I still want Anderson, I feel like he's gonna be on the move.

That's how it is for every good player tho. We always give the better player excuses and blame everyone else when things go wrong, but when things go right, we praise the best guy. I think players deserve praise when their teams win and blame when they lose. Not all the praise and not all the blame. It's not like that, but it should be.

[Hal14]

After Kemba and Fournier were gone, this became a lottery team.

Adding Schroder, Richardson, Horford and Kanter gives this team a chance to be pretty good this season.

We still need a guy that's 6'8 or taller that can shot 3s and defend, in order for us to be scary.

You mean besides Tatum and Horford?

[GoGreen]

After Kemba and Fournier were gone, this became a lottery team.

Adding Schroder, Richardson, Horford and Kanter gives this team a chance to be pretty good this season.

We still need a guy that's 6'8 or taller that can shot 3s and defend, in order for us to be scary.

I'm with ya. Won't come cheap, though.

[TheOGJabroni]

IMO, I expect Boston to make a few small moves before and/or during training camp to move us back under the lux tax threshold and to keep the clock starting on the repeater tax an extra year away.

According to Spotrac:
143,214,558.00 current salary with 15 regular salaries and 1 non-guaranteed salary.
136,606,000.00 2012 /2022 lux tax threshold
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold

Move 1)
Trade Dunn and a 2nd round pick to OKC for a top 55 protected pick (fake pick). Likely very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts and 1 non guaranteed contract.
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold
5,005,350.00 Dunn's salary
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold

Move 2)
release Jabari Parker, and his non guaranteed 2,283,034.00 Again, very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts.
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold
2,283,034.00 Parker's non guaranteed salary
679,826.00 Under lux tax threshold, but with 14 players under contract.

Brad could stop here and be under the lux tax, but I don't think he will.

Move 3)
Trade Edwards and cash (2 million) to cover his 1,782,621.00 to any team plus a bit extra for doing the paper work.
679,826.00 under the lux tax
1,782,621.00 Edwards salary
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold with 13 players under contract

Move 4)
sign one of Madar, Hauser or Begarin to a minimum rookie contract
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold
925,258.00 minimum salary for 2021/2022 rookie contract
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold with 14 players under contract.

Move 5)
Using the TPE from the Moses Brown trade (1,701,593.00 TPE) to trade for a player making under 1,537,189.00 to remain under lux tax threshold and get to 15 player under contracts. Just an example, Anthony Gill, PF Wash Wizards, or Daniel Oturu, PF/C just traded to Memphis. Not that I want these guys, just using them as an an example salary wise. I did want Danny to draft Oturu at the time though.
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold
1,517,981.00 Anthony Gill or Daniel Oturu's salary
19,208.00 under lux tax with 15 players under contract.

This is pretty much what I expect but I think it would be worth holding off on move 5 until buyout season really begins & see what turns up. I'm okay with going 14 deep until that point, unless we really start getting hit with injuries hard. Obviously a strong possibility.

The only problem with that is, if we pick up a player / vet with 2 or more years of NBA exp, we would have to go into the tax to sign them because we would only have around 1.5 mil (if we followed this exact route) and according to the CBA, a 2 year vets contract would have to start at 1,669,178.00 and players with more exp than that cost even more.

I think they are pro-rated if it's midseason though, right? Should have mentioned that's what I was thinking.

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[return2glory]

Just for giggles, if you never saw this guy play, he was pretty damn good.

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I came here to check on updates and read posts. You posted a Bird video? How do I not stop and watch that?

[return2glory]

After Kemba and Fournier were gone, this became a lottery team.

Adding Schroder, Richardson, Horford and Kanter gives this team a chance to be pretty good this season.

We still need a guy that's 6'8 or taller that can shot 3s and defend, in order for us to be scary.

Tatum, Brown, Smart, Horford, Rob Williams, Pritchard and Nesmith is not a lotto team.

Let's pump the breaks on Pritchard and Nesmith for a second. They are just ok for now.

RWill can't be counted on. That team would have been 6-8 seed at best with a freak injury for even 2 months of being a lottery team.

But I'm glad Brad went out and got some new pieces in Schroder, Richardson and Kanter in a gap year or whatever we want to call this upcoming season.

[return2glory]

After Kemba and Fournier were gone, this became a lottery team.

Adding Schroder, Richardson, Horford and Kanter gives this team a chance to be pretty good this season.

We still need a guy that's 6'8 or taller that can shot 3s and defend, in order for us to be scary.

You mean besides Tatum and Horford?

Yes. We need another guy like that. I'm talking about adding to what the current roster is.

Maybe we get that guy at the deadline by trading maybe Dunn and Parker. Hoping it would be before the season starts.

[gocelts]

I actually think Niesmith will take the next step and contribute more on offense.

As mentioned over and over…we need that stretch 4 (a real 6’10 forward) to solidify the roster.

[playa-hater]

After Kemba and Fournier were gone, this became a lottery team.

Adding Schroder, Richardson, Horford and Kanter gives this team a chance to be pretty good this season.

We still need a guy that's 6'8 or taller that can shot 3s and defend, in order for us to be scary.

Tatum, Brown, Smart, Horford, Rob Williams, Pritchard and Nesmith is not a lotto team.

Let's pump the breaks on Pritchard and Nesmith for a second. They are just ok for now.

RWill can't be counted on. That team would have been 6-8 seed at best with a freak injury for even 2 months of being a lottery team.

But I'm glad Brad went out and got some new pieces in Schroder, Richardson and Kanter in a gap year or whatever we want to call this upcoming season.

OK for now, perhaps, since the season has started yet. But if judging on signs and recent play, I believe it is no stretch to say really good things should be expected by both players.

PLUS they will both have their first training camp. Improvements may actually surpass expectations.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

IMO, I expect Boston to make a few small moves before and/or during training camp to move us back under the lux tax threshold and to keep the clock starting on the repeater tax an extra year away.

According to Spotrac:
143,214,558.00 current salary with 15 regular salaries and 1 non-guaranteed salary.
136,606,000.00 2012 /2022 lux tax threshold
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold

Move 1)
Trade Dunn and a 2nd round pick to OKC for a top 55 protected pick (fake pick). Likely very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts and 1 non guaranteed contract.
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold
5,005,350.00 Dunn's salary
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold

Move 2)
release Jabari Parker, and his non guaranteed 2,283,034.00 Again, very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts.
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold
2,283,034.00 Parker's non guaranteed salary
679,826.00 Under lux tax threshold, but with 14 players under contract.

Brad could stop here and be under the lux tax, but I don't think he will.

Move 3)
Trade Edwards and cash (2 million) to cover his 1,782,621.00 to any team plus a bit extra for doing the paper work.
679,826.00 under the lux tax
1,782,621.00 Edwards salary
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold with 13 players under contract

Move 4)
sign one of Madar, Hauser or Begarin to a minimum rookie contract
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold
925,258.00 minimum salary for 2021/2022 rookie contract
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold with 14 players under contract.

Move 5)
Using the TPE from the Moses Brown trade (1,701,593.00 TPE) to trade for a player making under 1,537,189.00 to remain under lux tax threshold and get to 15 player under contracts. Just an example, Anthony Gill, PF Wash Wizards, or Daniel Oturu, PF/C just traded to Memphis. Not that I want these guys, just using them as an an example salary wise. I did want Danny to draft Oturu at the time though.
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold
1,517,981.00 Anthony Gill or Daniel Oturu's salary
19,208.00 under lux tax with 15 players under contract.

Great summary. I think 1-3 happen unless there is a bigger move.
Moves 4 & 5 are the iffy parts, imo. Just stash the 2nd rounders or 2-way one of them at best.
After you do 1-3, then sign a vet like Milsap (or any other min guy) and roll with 14.

You still have some tiny wiggle room under the tax (~$0.8M) to afford 10-days or 2-way call ups (which used to count as salary for games played pre-covid, not sure now) to sort of cover for the unused roster spot.

At the deadline you either go all in and pay the tax on a big move, or shuffle things around (Romeo or Grant for a min guy and/or 2nd) which gives you room to pick up a buyout guy fore the 15th slot while still being under the tax.

[djFan71]

This is pretty much what I expect but I think it would be worth holding off on move 5 until buyout season really begins & see what turns up. I'm okay with going 14 deep until that point, unless we really start getting hit with injuries hard. Obviously a strong possibility.

The only problem with that is, if we pick up a player / vet with 2 or more years of NBA exp, we would have to go into the tax to sign them because we would only have around 1.5 mil (if we followed this exact route) and according to the CBA, a 2 year vets contract would have to start at 1,669,178.00 and players with more exp than that cost even more.

I think they are pro-rated if it's midseason though, right? Should have mentioned that's what I was thinking.

Yeah, good point on the buyouts. If they are just "rest of the season" contracts, they are pro-rated:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q28

So you could possibly not need the Romeo/Grant dumps I mentioned above if you have less than half the season pro-rated, but it would be super tight and could come down to unlikely incentives / days of 2-ways / 10-days used / etc.

[Larry_Russell]

I hope this team looks more like a proper Celtics basketball team.

Hard nosed defense, high passing, sellfless and moving offense.

I do think many of the moves promote this playstyle too.
Kemba gone
Adding Horford, Richardson, Schroder
Seeing what team has had Nesmith and Pritchard work on in the offseason.

I think this team right now is being slept on.

(Still need a backup PF though)

[Parliament10]

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[Hal14]

Spoiler:

IMO, I expect Boston to make a few small moves before and/or during training camp to move us back under the lux tax threshold and to keep the clock starting on the repeater tax an extra year away.

According to Spotrac:
143,214,558.00 current salary with 15 regular salaries and 1 non-guaranteed salary.
136,606,000.00 2012 /2022 lux tax threshold
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold

Move 1)
Trade Dunn and a 2nd round pick to OKC for a top 55 protected pick (fake pick). Likely very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts and 1 non guaranteed contract.
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold
5,005,350.00 Dunn's salary
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold

Move 2)
release Jabari Parker, and his non guaranteed 2,283,034.00 Again, very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts.
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold
2,283,034.00 Parker's non guaranteed salary
679,826.00 Under lux tax threshold, but with 14 players under contract.

Brad could stop here and be under the lux tax, but I don't think he will.

Move 3)
Trade Edwards and cash (2 million) to cover his 1,782,621.00 to any team plus a bit extra for doing the paper work.
679,826.00 under the lux tax
1,782,621.00 Edwards salary
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold with 13 players under contract

Move 4)
sign one of Madar, Hauser or Begarin to a minimum rookie contract
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold
925,258.00 minimum salary for 2021/2022 rookie contract
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold with 14 players under contract.

Move 5)
Using the TPE from the Moses Brown trade (1,701,593.00 TPE) to trade for a player making under 1,537,189.00 to remain under lux tax threshold and get to 15 player under contracts. Just an example, Anthony Gill, PF Wash Wizards, or Daniel Oturu, PF/C just traded to Memphis. Not that I want these guys, just using them as an an example salary wise. I did want Danny to draft Oturu at the time though.
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold
1,517,981.00 Anthony Gill or Daniel Oturu's salary
19,208.00 under lux tax with 15 players under contract.

Great summary. I think 1-3 happen unless there is a bigger move.
Moves 4 & 5 are the iffy parts, imo. Just stash the 2nd rounders or 2-way one of them at best.
After you do 1-3, then sign a vet like Milsap (or any other min guy) and roll with 14.

You still have some tiny wiggle room under the tax (~$0.8M) to afford 10-days or 2-way call ups (which used to count as salary for games played pre-covid, not sure now) to sort of cover for the unused roster spot.

At the deadline you either go all in and pay the tax on a big move, or shuffle things around (Romeo or Grant for a min guy and/or 2nd) which gives you room to pick up a buyout guy fore the 15th slot while still being under the tax.

It was announced yesterday at Brad's press conference that Madar and Begarin will be stashed overseas this year. Hauser is on a 2-way.

The 2nd 2-way he said will probably be scooping up some random guy who gets cut by another team towards end of training camp..

[Curmudgeon]

The 2nd 2-way he said will probably be scooping up some random guy who gets cut by another team towards end of training camp..

It won't be random. Brad Stevens probably has a detailed, prioritized list in multcolored ink.

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His resume looks solid and he's a local guy too:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-sang-pt-dpt-atc-cscs-22b78791/

He was with the C's for a few yrs but left right before last season began. Who knows, maybe Sang being gone last season could have been a factor in why it was such a nightmare-is season in terms of injuries.

This could be a small, under the radar move that really helps.

You look at last season. It was really bad for us in terms of injuries but many other teams also had key players get hurt, especially in the playoffs. The NBA season is grueling. Having good, competent athletic training / physical therapy / medical staff is important.

[Hal14]

The 2nd 2-way he said will probably be scooping up some random guy who gets cut by another team towards end of training camp..

It won't be random. Brad Stevens probably has a detailed, prioritized list in multcolored ink.

haha yes, you're probably right. I just meant random in terms of random to the average fan. Like it'll probably be some guy who most fans have never really heard of..

[Fierce1]

The Celts could be the surprise team of the season.

Brad didn't get a star player, but all the moves made really improved the team.

Right now the Celts are a more balanced and bigger team.

I won't be surprised if the Celts end up as one of the top 3 teams in the east this coming season.