Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[shangrila]

Unpopular opinion; I would give as many 1st rounders as possible for Simmons if that's what it took.

Beasley + Prince + 4 1st rounders for Ben

DLO
Ant
Jaden
Ben
KAT

Even

Beverly
DLO
Ant
Ben
KAT

That is a team competing for a deep playoff run, especially if Ant takes that leap

Even with deep protection on all 4 picks it still seems like a bad idea. The rule against trading back to back firsts would make trading for anybody else a real nightmare. I don’t think Simmons replaces the scoring of Beasley, and his huge contract ties our hands for the next few years. For that value there are bigger stars than Simmons around.

Something to consider. Just listened to Danes most recent pod, both him and Michael Rand state they believe KAT will demand out and be traded next offseason if they don’t go over 500. I don’t think this roster goes over 500 without another major move. Are we ready to blow this up again? I’d rather go for it now with a Simmons type move.

Highly doubt that.

I find Dane as entertaining as the next random Podcaster but his takes haven’t exactly been stellar lately (if ever). I’d take anything he says with a massive grain of salt.

[shrink]

I must have missed this from 7/9

According to The Athletic's Jon Krawczynski and Danny Leroux, the Timberwolves are likely to be in the mix for several players on the trade block, including the Philadelphia 76ers guard. However, Minnesota has no intention of making D'Angelo Russell part of any trade package.

The Timberwolves reportedly view Russell as a crucial part of their core and "want to keep it that way."

[jpatrick]

Am I wrong to think if no big name becomes available, the Spurs are setting themselves up to be a Simmons destination?

Signed Collins, the perfect big man fit next to Simmons if he recovers. Signed the best shooter in free agency (McDermott). Drafted a PG to ease the loss of guards in the trade.

Murray, White, and picks makes a lot of sense if San Antonio is actually enamored with Simmons. The other one is Fox for Simmons. Simmons would work well with a Mitchell/Haliburton backcourt. I’d think Philly would have to add more to that deal.

When will we hear anything on Lauri? No way he wants to go back to Chicago.

[Macwolf527]

Even with deep protection on all 4 picks it still seems like a bad idea. The rule against trading back to back firsts would make trading for anybody else a real nightmare. I don’t think Simmons replaces the scoring of Beasley, and his huge contract ties our hands for the next few years. For that value there are bigger stars than Simmons around.

Something to consider. Just listened to Danes most recent pod, both him and Michael Rand state they believe KAT will demand out and be traded next offseason if they don’t go over 500. I don’t think this roster goes over 500 without another major move. Are we ready to blow this up again? I’d rather go for it now with a Simmons type move.

Highly doubt that.

I find Dane as entertaining as the next random Podcaster but his takes haven’t exactly been stellar lately (if ever). I’d take anything he says with a massive grain of salt.

His take is not without reason, but I would take a different approach. As management, with the players around Towns, I would start thinking about moving him if the team doesn’t break .500. At some point, you have to hold your franchise player accountable to your team’s success. That why he and his buddy DLo are being paid the big bucks. I expect them to surpass .500 easily.

Injuries played a major role in last year’s record. However, it also prevented players from reaching peak physical ability. It’s just not how many games they played together, but how many they played together in peak condition. We swept the team with the best record in the NBA last year (Jazz), and we never reached our collective peak as a team. Now, we have one of the best offensive minds in the game at the helm. If Finch gets these guys committed on the defensive end, we’re going to make some serious noise.

[moss_is_1]

I must have missed this from 7/9

According to The Athletic's Jon Krawczynski and Danny Leroux, the Timberwolves are likely to be in the mix for several players on the trade block, including the Philadelphia 76ers guard. However, Minnesota has no intention of making D'Angelo Russell part of any trade package.

The Timberwolves reportedly view Russell as a crucial part of their core and "want to keep it that way."

Too bad. If we unloaded Russsell I'd feel a lot better about trading for Simmons.

[shrink]

I must have missed this from 7/9

According to The Athletic's Jon Krawczynski and Danny Leroux, the Timberwolves are likely to be in the mix for several players on the trade block, including the Philadelphia 76ers guard. However, Minnesota has no intention of making D'Angelo Russell part of any trade package.

The Timberwolves reportedly view Russell as a crucial part of their core and "want to keep it that way."

Too bad. If we unloaded Russsell I'd feel a lot better about trading for Simmons.

Me too. I remember early on when Rosas said that KAT and Edwards were off the table, some people said Russell was conspicuously absent. I had hoped that was for a reason. Moving Russell let’s Simmons play PG on offense without taking away from DLo, and it also would help financially, not restricting us with three max deals.

[KGdaBom]

I must have missed this from 7/9

Too bad. If we unloaded Russsell I'd feel a lot better about trading for Simmons.

Me too. I remember early on when Rosas said that KAT and Edwards were off the table, some people said Russell was conspicuously absent. I had hoped that was for a reason. Moving Russell let’s Simmons play PG on offense without taking away from DLo, and it also would help financially, not restricting us with three max deals.

Did you possibly mean Ant instead of DLo in the bolded above?

[jpatrick]

Too bad. If we unloaded Russsell I'd feel a lot better about trading for Simmons.

Me too. I remember early on when Rosas said that KAT and Edwards were off the table, some people said Russell was conspicuously absent. I had hoped that was for a reason. Moving Russell let’s Simmons play PG on offense without taking away from DLo, and it also would help financially, not restricting us with three max deals.

Did you possibly mean Ant instead of DLo in the bolded above?

Even though people think of him as a point forward, Simmons absolutely cannot play PG on offense. At least in the half court. There are hilarious pics out there of him handling in the half court and his man is 20 feet off him. Kills an offense. Makes pick and roll impossible. He has to be the pick man, cutter, dunker spot guy in the half court and will do that very well.

[VeritasTri]

I must have missed this from 7/9

Too bad. If we unloaded Russsell I'd feel a lot better about trading for Simmons.

Me too. I remember early on when Rosas said that KAT and Edwards were off the table, some people said Russell was conspicuously absent. I had hoped that was for a reason. Moving Russell let’s Simmons play PG on offense without taking away from DLo, and it also would help financially, not restricting us with three max deals.

Dlo isnt a pure PG and his skills dont require him to be solely on ball to be effective, which is why we have seen him paired up with a PG numerous times in his career. His ability to play off ball while still being able to create shots for himself or others makes him a fantastic fit with Simmons IMO.

The last thing I want in a Simmons deal is for him to come here expecting to be a PG, hes simply not. You definitely want to take advantage of his ball handling and passing skills for his size, so you run plenty of plays which gets that aspect of his game involved. But you dont just have him bring the ball up the court and run the offense every time down like a traditional PG.

[life_saver]

Recently, Brit Robson (a Wolves reporter) interviewed Finch...interview came out on Athletic couple of days back. For those who don't have Athletic subscription, you can try reading the interview here - https://archive.ph/kcfuW.

It's definitely not your typical cliche interview...Brit asked lots of interesting stuff.

[shrink]

1. You guys are right. “PG” was wrong, particularly for today’s nba.

2. I think Russell can be a SG, but he doesn’t want to be a SG. He even stated last season that he wants the ball in his hands, and Saunders obliged so much, he stuck PG Rubio on the perimeter.

3. On a side note, I don’t think bringing the ball up the court is going to necessarily be a PG’s responsibility in the future. I watched Jrue Holiday beat up poor Chris Paul game after game while he brought the ball up, wearing him down. With the big increase in all-ball skills we are seeing at every position, I won’t be surprised to see the responsibility of bringing the ball up the court, and handing it to the PG to initiate the offense, going to whatever favorable “ball-handling vs defender” match up that’s on the floor, regardless of position.

[TheZachAttack]

1. You guys are right. “PG” was wrong, particularly for today’s nba.

2. I think Russell can be a SG, but he doesn’t want to be a SG. He even stated last season that he wants the ball in his hands, and Saunders obliged so much, he stuck PG Rubio on the perimeter.

3. On a side note, I don’t think bringing the ball up the court is going to necessarily be a PG’s responsibility in the future. I watched Jrue Holiday beat up poor Chris Paul game after game while he brought the ball up, wearing him down. With the big increase in all-ball skills we are seeing at every position, I won’t be surprised to see the responsibility of bringing the ball up the court, and handing it to the PG to initiate the offense, going to whatever favorable “ball-handling vs defender” match up that’s on the floor, regardless of position.

I think D Lo wants to be known as a "PG" in the traditional sense of the word because of traditionally the way PGs are thought of. I think D Lo would be plenty fine in a "Devin Booker" type role on offense where he is leading a lot of the half-court action but not really the initiator/the one who starts the break in transition or brings the ball-up-the-floor. In fact, I would argue we saw how good he looked in that role in the second half of last season when he was coming back from injury.

[thinktank]

DLo is kinda lazy.

I think off ball suits him.

[TheZachAttack]

I still think McDaniels/Beasley/Beverly/1sts makes sense for both sides.

[SO_MONEY]

I still think McDaniels/Beasley/Beverly/1sts makes sense for both sides.

Pass.

[TheZachAttack]

I still think McDaniels/Beasley/Beverly/1sts makes sense for both sides.

Pass.

Exactly why it's a deal that makes sense for both sides. Once in a while you will get a trade that has one side fleece the other, but the majority of trades require giving up assets that you don't want to. You're not going to get an all-star caliber player by only giving up your depth and non-core pieces.

[SO_MONEY]

I still think McDaniels/Beasley/Beverly/1sts makes sense for both sides.

Pass.

Exactly why it's a deal that makes sense for both sides. Once in a while you will get a trade that has one side fleece the other, but the majority of trades require giving up assets that you don't want to. You're not going to get an all-star caliber player by only giving up your depth and non-core pieces.

McDaniels kills the deal. No interest in trading McDaniels for Simmons at all. Simmons at $35mil isn't worth McDaniels at $2mil.

Replace McDaniels with Reid. That is fair value. If we give up McDaniels we are the team getting fleeced.

[VeritasTri]

McDaniels kills the deal. No interest in trading McDaniels for Simmons at all. Simmons at $35mil isn't worth McDaniels at $2mil.

Replace McDaniels with Reid. That is fair value. If we give up McDaniels we are the team getting fleeced.

McDaniels is becoming so over rated it is ridiculous.

I dont want to move McDaniels in a Simmons trade either because I see a lineup of Dlo/Ant/Mcdaniels/Simmons/Towns as being extremely well balanced with the potential of being an elite unit. McDaniels low usage and defensive versatility are big factors in that balance but hes not irreplaceable, hes a role player. Role players are great and all, you need well fitting ones if you really want to succeed. Drop a Jae Crowder into that slot and the outlook of that team doesnt look much different and hes so special hes been on 7 teams in 9 seasons.

Quit pretending hes a future star or magical unicorn ffs, hes a low usage 3+D wing. In the end he shouldnt prevent us from adding a legit floor raiser who is elite in multiple facets of the game. Again, I dont offer him up and fight hard to retain him just so we have that hole filled, but hes not some deal breaker.

[minimus]

Me too. I remember early on when Rosas said that KAT and Edwards were off the table, some people said Russell was conspicuously absent. I had hoped that was for a reason. Moving Russell let’s Simmons play PG on offense without taking away from DLo, and it also would help financially, not restricting us with three max deals.

Did you possibly mean Ant instead of DLo in the bolded above?

Even though people think of him as a point forward, Simmons absolutely cannot play PG on offense. At least in the half court. There are hilarious pics out there of him handling in the half court and his man is 20 feet off him. Kills an offense. Makes pick and roll impossible. He has to be the pick man, cutter, dunker spot guy in the half court and will do that very well.

I agree Simmons can't be your lead ballhandler in halfcourt situation. I think it is not only about Simmons, it is also about context and the most important thing it is about coaching creativity. Brett Brown and Doc Rivers are both mediocre coaches at best. Yes, Simmons is an awful shooter. But next to Towns, Edwards and Russell he can be a very unique weapon because of many reasons:

* - short roll passing. Simmons is very quick decision maker which allows him to make this touch passes. He is on Dray Green level as short roll passer. The difference is that Simmons never had Klay Thompson, KD and Curry as shooters and Steve Kerr as a coach. We can surround him with two elite shooters in Towns and DLo, under Finch coaching
* - passing out of the post. He can score in the post, and he can post up and pass out of the post.
* - he can even pass from dunker spot, he finds cutters and open shooters with easy
* - as you mentioned he is good at cutting, finishing from dunker spot. I would only add that for years we dont have a quality rim runner, dunker, roll man at PF position. I am kind of optimistic about his ability to stretch the floor towards the rim adding another dimension to our offense. Sure we need to surround him with shooters and run heavy motion. KAT-Simmons-McDaniels-Edwards-DLo lineup would be very dangerous because Simmons would bring everything we need in defense (versatility, IQ, size, athleticism, toughness) and most importantly transition defense, where we rank 28th in NBA.

[VeritasTri]

2 firsts AND Beasley for a negative contact is not really reasonable.

Again with the moronic "Simmons is a negative value" garbage. Please stop, you are embarrassing yourself and an entire fanbase with your "hot take".

When you cant validate an opinion with anything tangible the opinion is worthless.