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[Clyde_Style]

Seems like the Knicks had intel before hand and knew this was gonna happen

The plan looks a lot better now.

Yes but the problem still remains that the Knicks as a franchise have painted themselves into a corner with TRADE as the one and only one teambuilding strategy available (assuming all championships are built around a top 5 superstar or three).

Free Agency isn't what it used to be before the recent era of "player empowerment" and stars demanding trades years before their contracts finish. While it's nice to have the option to sign a major "max cat" it's now highly unlikely that one will ever come available unless he's already pre-determined that he wants to join your team. Between collusion, tampering, player empowerment, and the Knicks negative reputation it's just not realistic to build around recruitment in Free Agency.

I like what Leon is doing because he's making the most of the one path available to him, which is to teambuild around a strong coach and veteran B-level stars, while hoarding as many trade assets as possible. It's a highly limited method, but it's the best any Knick executive under Dolan can do since the draft and now Free Agency are not options to acquire a superstar.

It is an intelligent approach, because there is no strong alternative. FA superstars are now very rare and your odds of getting one that way are next to nil for most franchises. At least the Knicks will be able to leverage the value of NYC AFTER they’ve run a successful franchise for at least three seasons. Until then, it will only happen via a trade and they are positioned for that now in a way they have not been.

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The plan looks a lot better now.

Yes but the problem still remains that the Knicks as a franchise have painted themselves into a corner with TRADE as the one and only one teambuilding strategy available (assuming all championships are built around a top 5 superstar or three).

Free Agency isn't what it used to be before the recent era of "player empowerment" and stars demanding trades years before their contracts finish. While it's nice to have the option to sign a major "max cat" it's now highly unlikely that one will ever come available unless he's already pre-determined that he wants to join your team. Between collusion, tampering, player empowerment, and the Knicks negative reputation it's just not realistic to build around recruitment in Free Agency.

I like what Leon is doing because he's making the most of the one path available to him, which is to teambuild around a strong coach and veteran B-level stars, while hoarding as many trade assets as possible. It's a highly limited method, but it's the best any Knick executive under Dolan can do since the draft and now Free Agency are not options to acquire a superstar.

It is an intelligent approach, because there is no strong alternative. FA superstars are now very rare and your odds of getting one that way are next to nil for most franchises. At least the Knicks will be able to leverage the value of NYC AFTER they’ve run a successful franchise for at least three seasons. Until then, it will only happen via a trade and they are positioned for that now in a way they have not been.

The Knicks can absolutely be an ideal destination for free agents as long as they keep winning and the players they have continue to play above themselves. As far as collusion? There is absolutely nothing that can prevent one player from talking to another player while each player are on other teams about joining on one team (either one of their existing teams or a brand new team). It ultimately is about: a) appeal of local, b) ability to win, c) available money. The Knicks have always had a), their problems for the past 2 decades has been b) and c) with the later being piss poor cap management and gross overpayment. Still have Dolan's deep pockets but now you have Brock Aller's genius cap management they should be fine with c) as well. So now it's really just what it's always been about right? b) the ability to win. It's very important that they show an improvement from last season (which was by far a surprising success). If they can get to 50 wins (hard but not impossible) then I think that becomes your "in". If and when that happens the Knicks do have a lot of draft assets, a good deal of good looking young players and a good number of team friendly contracts that can be used to get them the big name players. Wut? You mean that if the Knicks young player play well they could actually be playing themselves off the team? I think it's clear what the plan is and ultimately it is about winning and team, not specific players right? I would not get personally attached to any of the current Knick young players.

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I think the Knicks could still be position for free agency too. A lot of free agents are signed and traded anyway and the Knicks have some short term deals they could use to pull it off. Typically a free agent will have their mind made up and if both the team and player want to make it happen they will find a way if they are close. Kinda like how Miami are always in position and signing players every year. Even the Nets pulled off some moves to make it work at the last minute.

Free agency still seems like a long shot overall...but if a top free agent really wants to come I think we could make it work. The tough part is convincing the top free agents/superstars to come here.

Macri & Cohen have this take as well and I agree with it. In effect always kicking the salary cap down the road presents dangers and it's actually better to have some good but decent contracts because most stuff happens via trade. I'm not agreeing because I want to say the Knicks got the offseason perfect etc - they didn't, but they had a case for the logic. Then Macri did a podcast with some UK Celtic podcast guy, and that guy said the same thing about the Celtics, that he had some concerns they were painting themselves into a corner in a way the Knicks would have if the Knicks rolled it over again - basically a timing thing around when your other own players are due.

They basically got Randle to re-up on a fair deal and did not max anyone. All of their deals are moveable. This is exactly what they’re doing while also allowing for the possibility that the players they now have develop the kind of chemistry where the sum is greater than the parts. With an amazing draft they’ve increased their asset base without being locked in to untradeable contracts and have some youth of value finally. It’s a win-win approach unless multiple guys play below expectations which I doubt considering how many guys exceeded expectations last year. They will have the assets to engineer a deal for a # 1 player IF one of them want to come here. If we keep trending upwards it is just a matter of time that a Top 10 player decides they want to be a Knick which then gives us some kind of leverage to make a respectable trade offer without getting fleeced.

It makes sense as a plan and probably as good as any other plan right now, especially given that the owner wants to remain competitive.

[BKlutch]

The internet gives people access to more information than ever before in human existence and yet so many people are basically functionally ret*rded. It's amazing.

I'm sure this has been written about a lot. I'd assume too much information is overwhelming to people and then it's easier to retreat into a pocket of warm and fuzzies. Why educate yourself when you can masturbate yourself?

Rather blow their loads than their minds

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This morning I had to bite my tongue during my coffee hour as a family at the next table spewed every single cliche in the book: CNN sucks, Biden is a senile puppet, Pelosi is running things, Afghanistan is all Biden’s fault, vaccines are for losers, the election was stolen, it was just a matter of time before enough states overturn the results to put FOM back into the WH, etc. non-stop for an hour. I’ve learned there is nothing to be gained by piping in so I try my best to zip it. The one moment when I almost lost it was when they were ROTFL their AO at one guy’s suggestion that they kill off Democrats so they can win the mid-terms. Like I said, a lot of Americans are now sub-human

How can you live in a such a backwards state?

[BKlutch]

Macri & Cohen have this take as well and I agree with it. In effect always kicking the salary cap down the road presents dangers and it's actually better to have some good but decent contracts because most stuff happens via trade. I'm not agreeing because I want to say the Knicks got the offseason perfect etc - they didn't, but they had a case for the logic. Then Macri did a podcast with some UK Celtic podcast guy, and that guy said the same thing about the Celtics, that he had some concerns they were painting themselves into a corner in a way the Knicks would have if the Knicks rolled it over again - basically a timing thing around when your other own players are due.

They basically got Randle to re-up on a fair deal and did not max anyone. All of their deals are moveable. This is exactly what they’re doing while also allowing for the possibility that the players they now have develop the kind of chemistry where the sum is greater than the parts. With an amazing draft they’ve increased their asset base without being locked in to untradeable contracts and have some youth of value finally. It’s a win-win approach unless multiple guys play below expectations which I doubt considering how many guys exceeded expectations last year. They will have the assets to engineer a deal for a # 1 player IF one of them want to come here. If we keep trending upwards it is just a matter of time that a Top 10 player decides they want to be a Knick which then gives us some kind of leverage to make a respectable trade offer without getting fleeced.

It makes sense as a plan and probably as good as any other plan right now, especially given that the owner wants to remain competitive.

OK I get this, but could we please let the first sacrifice to the gods of trade be Knox?

[Clyde_Style]

Yes but the problem still remains that the Knicks as a franchise have painted themselves into a corner with TRADE as the one and only one teambuilding strategy available (assuming all championships are built around a top 5 superstar or three).

Free Agency isn't what it used to be before the recent era of "player empowerment" and stars demanding trades years before their contracts finish. While it's nice to have the option to sign a major "max cat" it's now highly unlikely that one will ever come available unless he's already pre-determined that he wants to join your team. Between collusion, tampering, player empowerment, and the Knicks negative reputation it's just not realistic to build around recruitment in Free Agency.

I like what Leon is doing because he's making the most of the one path available to him, which is to teambuild around a strong coach and veteran B-level stars, while hoarding as many trade assets as possible. It's a highly limited method, but it's the best any Knick executive under Dolan can do since the draft and now Free Agency are not options to acquire a superstar.

It is an intelligent approach, because there is no strong alternative. FA superstars are now very rare and your odds of getting one that way are next to nil for most franchises. At least the Knicks will be able to leverage the value of NYC AFTER they’ve run a successful franchise for at least three seasons. Until then, it will only happen via a trade and they are positioned for that now in a way they have not been.

The Knicks can absolutely be an ideal destination for free agents as long as they keep winning and the players they have continue to play above themselves. As far as collusion? There is absolutely nothing that can prevent one player from talking to another player while each player are on other teams about joining on one team (either one of their existing teams or a brand new team). It ultimately is about: a) appeal of local, b) ability to win, c) available money. The Knicks have always had a), their problems for the past 2 decades has been b) and c) with the later being piss poor cap management and gross overpayment. Still have Dolan's deep pockets but now you have Brock Aller's genius cap management they should be fine with c) as well. So now it's really just what it's always been about right? b) the ability to win. It's very important that they show an improvement from last season (which was by far a surprising success). If they can get to 50 wins (hard but not impossible) then I think that becomes your "in". If and when that happens the Knicks do have a lot of draft assets, a good deal of good looking young players and a good number of team friendly contracts that can be used to get them the big name players. Wut? You mean that if the Knicks young player play well they could actually be playing themselves off the team? I think it's clear what the plan is and ultimately it is about winning and team, not specific players right? I would not get personally attached to any of the current Knick young players.

Unless a rookie turns into an all-star within two years of being drafted everyone is a piece that can be traded. The sin of Phil was giving Melo a NTC. Not that he had a clue anyway if he could’ve traded Melo earlier, but this FO are clearly pros and they probably look at this in a calculating manner of increase your chips until it is time to push in. Hoarding 2nd rounders is part of that. The plan is to prepare for good luck, not hope to get lucky.

[Clyde_Style]

They basically got Randle to re-up on a fair deal and did not max anyone. All of their deals are moveable. This is exactly what they’re doing while also allowing for the possibility that the players they now have develop the kind of chemistry where the sum is greater than the parts. With an amazing draft they’ve increased their asset base without being locked in to untradeable contracts and have some youth of value finally. It’s a win-win approach unless multiple guys play below expectations which I doubt considering how many guys exceeded expectations last year. They will have the assets to engineer a deal for a # 1 player IF one of them want to come here. If we keep trending upwards it is just a matter of time that a Top 10 player decides they want to be a Knick which then gives us some kind of leverage to make a respectable trade offer without getting fleeced.

It makes sense as a plan and probably as good as any other plan right now, especially given that the owner wants to remain competitive.

OK I get this, but could we please let the first sacrifice to the gods of trade be Knox?

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[Clyde_Style]

Rather blow their loads than their minds

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This morning I had to bite my tongue during my coffee hour as a family at the next table spewed every single cliche in the book: CNN sucks, Biden is a senile puppet, Pelosi is running things, Afghanistan is all Biden’s fault, vaccines are for losers, the election was stolen, it was just a matter of time before enough states overturn the results to put FOM back into the WH, etc. non-stop for an hour. I’ve learned there is nothing to be gained by piping in so I try my best to zip it. The one moment when I almost lost it was when they were ROTFL their AO at one guy’s suggestion that they kill off Democrats so they can win the mid-terms. Like I said, a lot of Americans are now sub-human

How can you live in a such a backwards state?

I’m building my resources to live a location independent life soon. I will not stay here. It is just where I am until I start moving about

[Fat Kat]

Rather blow their loads than their minds

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This morning I had to bite my tongue during my coffee hour as a family at the next table spewed every single cliche in the book: CNN sucks, Biden is a senile puppet, Pelosi is running things, Afghanistan is all Biden’s fault, vaccines are for losers, the election was stolen, it was just a matter of time before enough states overturn the results to put FOM back into the WH, etc. non-stop for an hour. I’ve learned there is nothing to be gained by piping in so I try my best to zip it. The one moment when I almost lost it was when they were ROTFL their AO at one guy’s suggestion that they kill off Democrats so they can win the mid-terms. Like I said, a lot of Americans are now sub-human

How can you live in a such a backwards state?

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[BKlutch]

This morning I had to bite my tongue during my coffee hour as a family at the next table spewed every single cliche in the book: CNN sucks, Biden is a senile puppet, Pelosi is running things, Afghanistan is all Biden’s fault, vaccines are for losers, the election was stolen, it was just a matter of time before enough states overturn the results to put FOM back into the WH, etc. non-stop for an hour. I’ve learned there is nothing to be gained by piping in so I try my best to zip it. The one moment when I almost lost it was when they were ROTFL their AO at one guy’s suggestion that they kill off Democrats so they can win the mid-terms. Like I said, a lot of Americans are now sub-human

How can you live in a such a backwards state?

I’m building my resources to live a location independent life soon. I will not stay here. It is just where I am until I start moving about

I used to think Florida was just God's waiting room, where the old folks lined up among the heathen children while waiting for their turn to leave this word. Lately, I'm beginning to think we were hoodwinked and it is still a waiting room — for a much hotter place.

[BKlutch]

This morning I had to bite my tongue during my coffee hour as a family at the next table spewed every single cliche in the book: CNN sucks, Biden is a senile puppet, Pelosi is running things, Afghanistan is all Biden’s fault, vaccines are for losers, the election was stolen, it was just a matter of time before enough states overturn the results to put FOM back into the WH, etc. non-stop for an hour. I’ve learned there is nothing to be gained by piping in so I try my best to zip it. The one moment when I almost lost it was when they were ROTFL their AO at one guy’s suggestion that they kill off Democrats so they can win the mid-terms. Like I said, a lot of Americans are now sub-human

How can you live in a such a backwards state?

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Fournier going to be a fan favorite

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I love this guy

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I couldn't figure out which was the best thread for this observation, so I'll put it here.

It seems that after Fournier's contract, like Noel's, was less than initially reported (due to unlikely bonuses being included in the originally reported figure), the Knicks did not need to renounce Vildoza - I make it that they came in $78 under the cap when including Vildoza's salary (and before the signing of Rose, Taj and those on minimum contracts). Which is presumably why there is nothing on nba.com/transactions about renouncing him.

Wrong thread. This goes in the other one.

Mkay, I'll prop up your thread

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Loudest handshake ever. That sht echoed in there.

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Taj looks slimmer

[BugginOut]

Just realized that even though we added 3 new rookies RJ is the 2nd youngest player on the team. Deuce is younger than RJ by 2 months, and Grimes is older by a month.

RJ is going to be special man.