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Raps in 4 wrote:Jcity08 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/p77ps1/scottie_in_raptors_black/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Damn, Scottie looks hella jacked in the 1st photo.
I don't understand why people keep saying he needs to add 15-20 pounds. He doesn't need to add ****.
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:more fuel for the Suggs/Barnes comparison for the rest of their careers:
?s=20
taking receipts in 5 years time (I hope lmao)
The Top Five Picks
Scottie Barnes, Raptors
Barnes did what was largely anticipated of him in summer league, as well. He’s such a fun, energetic presence on the court. He brings it on both ends, and plays with great intent. Even at an event like this, he played so hard. He played every bit at the level that a top-10 pick should.
The problem is — unfair as it may be — he’s going to be compared for the rest of his career with the people taken around him in the top five. That’s the burden the Raptors put on him by selecting him over Jalen Suggs. Barnes has innate creativity that shines through, but he’s just much more of a project as a ballhandler and playmaker than the other players taken around him. He made some high-level reads as a passer on the move in the halfcourt. There were some positive moments getting to his spots as a scorer. He’s a freight train in transition because of his size. But they were much fewer and farther between than Cunningham, Green, and Suggs. He was much more comfortable out in transition as opposed to a halfcourt creator on the ball. He used his length at times to get to the rim, but just doesn’t quite have the handle yet to be able to consistently create when the game is more condensed.
On top of that, we continued to see many of the same concerns that Barnes displayed at Florida State in terms of scoring efficiency. He can’t shoot from distance yet, and he isn’t a natural finisher in the halfcourt. He made a couple of nice midrange shots that were self-created, but he also made only four of his 15 halfcourt jumper attempts overall. Barnes is going to be a good NBA player, and on some level you have to remove the context from which he was selected by the Raptors in order to evaluate him on his own merits. His performance was positive for a 20-year-old playing his first professional action. But the team used a top-five pick on him over the next guy we’re about to talk about, and every executive I talked to who attended summer league was absolutely effusive about praise for…
WuTang_OG wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:Jcity08 wrote:
Damn, Scottie looks hella jacked in the 1st photo.
I don't understand why people keep saying he needs to add 15-20 pounds. He doesn't need to add ****.
No one is saying that. But usually every player/athlete fills into their body from 20-24. It's just natural progression.
720 wrote:LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:more fuel for the Suggs/Barnes comparison for the rest of their careers:
?s=20
taking receipts in 5 years time (I hope lmao)
To be fair to Fran he did say nobody knows who will be better long term in a twitter response to some guy.
....thanks FF for ensuring we got a star.
*INGRAM*ALLSTARSEASON*
PhilBlackson wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:https://theathletic.com/2776044/2021/08/19/summer-league-rookie-scouting-reports-from-cade-cunningham-jalen-green-and-davion-mitchell-to-standouts-and-surprises/?source=emp_shared_articleScottie Barnes, Raptors
Barnes did what was largely anticipated of him in summer league, as well. He’s such a fun, energetic presence on the court. He brings it on both ends, and plays with great intent. Even at an event like this, he played so hard. He played every bit at the level that a top-10 pick should.
The problem is — unfair as it may be — he’s going to be compared for the rest of his career with the people taken around him in the top five. That’s the burden the Raptors put on him by selecting him over Jalen Suggs. Barnes has innate creativity that shines through, but he’s just much more of a project as a ballhandler and playmaker than the other players taken around him. He made some high-level reads as a passer on the move in the halfcourt. There were some positive moments getting to his spots as a scorer. He’s a freight train in transition because of his size. But they were much fewer and farther between than Cunningham, Green, and Suggs. He was much more comfortable out in transition as opposed to a halfcourt creator on the ball. He used his length at times to get to the rim, but just doesn’t quite have the handle yet to be able to consistently create when the game is more condensed.
On top of that, we continued to see many of the same concerns that Barnes displayed at Florida State in terms of scoring efficiency. He can’t shoot from distance yet, and he isn’t a natural finisher in the halfcourt. He made a couple of nice midrange shots that were self-created, but he also made only four of his 15 halfcourt jumper attempts overall. Barnes is going to be a good NBA player, and on some level you have to remove the context from which he was selected by the Raptors in order to evaluate him on his own merits. His performance was positive for a 20-year-old playing his first professional action. But the team used a top-five pick on him over the next guy we’re about to talk about, and every executive I talked to who attended summer league was absolutely effusive about praise for…
Jalen Suggs, Magic
Suggs was awesome. He was everything evaluators who loved him thought he was. The numbers may not look that different than Barnes’ (Suggs averaged 15.3 points, 6.3 rebounds and 2.3 assists) but remember that he went out after just 11 minutes in his third game due to a minor thumb injury that forced Orlando into shutting him down for the event.
It went beyond the numbers, though. The main thing worth noting with Suggs, though, is that a majority of his offense came perfectly within the run of halfcourt play, in translatable situations to NBA settings. He broke guys down off the bounce to get to the rim with skill and explosion. He hit catch-and-shoot jumpers and took advantage of mismatches both big and small. He made multiple pull-up 3s out of ball-screen actions that he’ll be asked to hit when defenders go under on him. And he was every bit the defender that Orlando thought it was getting when they drafted him, playing terrific on-ball and anticipatory off-ball defense. That included this play, where Suggs completely shut down a 2-on-1 transition opportunity by himself with a block and gathered his miss.
Suggs looked every bit the guy I thought he was pre-draft when I ranked him No. 2 overall. The Magic should hand over the keys to their offense to Suggs to start the year and let him grow through some of the eventual pains that’ll happen as a first-year player in the NBA. His upside is higher than anyone else’s on the roster, a legitimate potential All-Star who plays on both ends of the floor and can take over the game both as a scorer and as a passer.
Sorry but this irks me a bit...so lemme get this straight.
Scottie averages MORE points (15.5), more rebounds (6.7), more assists (3.3) more blocks (2.0) AND less turnovers BUT the narrative created is "Suggs was awesome....not so sure about Scottie though"
All I'll say is it's fairly convenient going into the draft when we're projected to take Suggs, the response is "Suggs isn't a clear top 4 pick" or "a clear tier below the other 3". Then when we take Barnes "oh I had Suggs 2nd" and despite Barnes beating him across the board "Suggs looks like star, Barnes idk" lol keep that same energy in a few years Murica...
PhilBlackson wrote:720 wrote:LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:more fuel for the Suggs/Barnes comparison for the rest of their careers:
?s=20
taking receipts in 5 years time (I hope lmao)
To be fair to Fran he did say nobody knows who will be better long term in a twitter response to some guy.
I'll take it, Fran is pretty much guaranteed to be wrong like Michael Grange & Doug Smith (aka 3 Stooges).
Least we forget his "Brazilian KD" prediction
PhilBlackson wrote:720 wrote:LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:more fuel for the Suggs/Barnes comparison for the rest of their careers:
?s=20
taking receipts in 5 years time (I hope lmao)
To be fair to Fran he did say nobody knows who will be better long term in a twitter response to some guy.
I'll take it, Fran is pretty much guaranteed to be wrong like Michael Grange & Doug Smith (aka 3 Stooges).
Least we forget his "Brazilian KD" prediction
Dalek wrote:PhilBlackson wrote:720 wrote:To be fair to Fran he did say nobody knows who will be better long term in a twitter response to some guy.
I'll take it, Fran is pretty much guaranteed to be wrong like Michael Grange & Doug Smith (aka 3 Stooges).
Least we forget his "Brazilian KD" prediction
I think I remember Fran for saying Bruno was 2 years away from being 2 years which was spot on.
I honestly don't disagree with what he is saying about both Barnes and Suggs. Barnes is a willing passer, but like he said, there are times when his passes are at guys feet or a bit late. I am not quite sure he is ready to be considered above average as a passer. He does have a positive assist-to-turnover ratio, so that bodes well but he is also a pretty low usage guy compared to the top picks so numbers don't tell the whole story.
From what I have seen Suggs is going to look great in the halfcourt while Barnes is just a project in that space. I don't feel comfortable with him in the NBA going to work against NBA defenders because he has a high dribble and no shot threat so people will pack the paint on him. Suggs is bursty, crafty and strong enough to get to the rim. People honestly tend to zero in on that type of ISO, pick and roll shot creation so I think Suggs will end up a higher rated rookie because of it.
I will keep saying it, but Scottie only becomes a true force when he is disrupting on defense. For him to surpass all the other players in the class he needs that OG, Pascal level of energy and switchability. Those guys create chaos on D and Barnes seems to have his best energy feed off that end. If he is not causing turnovers that turn into early offense, he can look invisible in a game.
Dalek wrote:PhilBlackson wrote:720 wrote:To be fair to Fran he did say nobody knows who will be better long term in a twitter response to some guy.
I'll take it, Fran is pretty much guaranteed to be wrong like Michael Grange & Doug Smith (aka 3 Stooges).
Least we forget his "Brazilian KD" prediction
I think I remember Fran for saying Bruno was 2 years away from being 2 years which was spot on.
I honestly don't disagree with what he is saying about both Barnes and Suggs. Barnes is a willing passer, but like he said, there are times when his passes are at guys feet or a bit late. I am not quite sure he is ready to be considered above average as a passer. He does have a positive assist-to-turnover ratio, so that bodes well but he is also a pretty low usage guy compared to the top picks so numbers don't tell the whole story.
From what I have seen Suggs is going to look great in the halfcourt while Barnes is just a project in that space. I don't feel comfortable with him in the NBA going to work against NBA defenders because he has a high dribble and no shot threat so people will pack the paint on him. Suggs is bursty, crafty and strong enough to get to the rim. People honestly tend to zero in on that type of ISO, pick and roll shot creation so I think Suggs will end up a higher rated rookie because of it.
I will keep saying it, but Scottie only becomes a true force when he is disrupting on defense. For him to surpass all the other players in the class he needs that OG, Pascal level of energy and switchability. Those guys create chaos on D and Barnes seems to have his best energy feed off that end. If he is not causing turnovers that turn into early offense, he can look invisible in a game.
WuTang_OG wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/p77ps1/scottie_in_raptors_black/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
720 wrote:I think it just came down to this, if both players develop and become future 2nd or 1st options who would one rather have? The raptors obviously think that's Barnes.
The question the raptors didn't put much value into seems to be who is more LIKLEY to become a 2nd or 1st option. I think this is because the Raptors are confident whoever they get can be developed by them successfully. From the outside this is the question that makes most of these mock guys (and some fans) hesitant. They think we should have went with the more sure fire guy in Suggs while the raptors think they can make either player sure fire.
TRik wrote:I legit can’t wait until we see a test line up of Banton, OG, Barnes, Pascal, and Precious.
Might be ugly basketball….but I really want to see the freak show.
