With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[PhilBlackson]

I legit can’t wait until we see a test line up of Banton, OG, Barnes, Pascal, and Precious.

Might be ugly basketball….but I really want to see the freak show.

Remove mediocre azz Banton, insert Boucher and I'd be far more interested personally....or preferably though we trade for Moses Brown and now that would hella interesting for me lol.

Barnes
OG
Pascal
Precious
Brown

That would snuff an offense right out

[Vampirate]

Suggs will be good. I don’t think he has the measurements or skill set to ever be a superstar tho I think all star is attainable. Barnes might never actualize it, but there’s no doubt that he has much higher potential. For a team that has been able to find high end role players and even a star in every spot in the draft, you absolutely take the upside pick when you get 4

Suggs potential is basically the same as Ja's potential. Both are legit All Stars in the making, but in order for them to crack superstar, they need to develop their shooting to be like Lilard, Curry, Trae.

As of now, Suggs is in the Wall, Lowry tier.

Who really knows though, some random player in the 2nd round can become a superstar and everyone is just kicking themselves why they didn't draft this guy. You never know.

As for this draft.

I think Green will be the best scorer.
Cade supposedly has the clutch gene like Kyrie
Mobley is probably the most dominant
Suggs probably one of the most well rounded (the guy is like a B+ all the way around except for shooting)
Barnes is a ????

[Rebel INS]

I legit can’t wait until we see a test line up of Banton, OG, Barnes, Pascal, and Precious.

Might be ugly basketball….but I really want to see the freak show.

On a certain level I'm more intrigued by Banton than anyone else. If he develops into a legit NBA player and can play 20+mpg, and we get all these guys shooting up to league average, then that meme all 6'9 lineup becomes an inevitability and we open a crazy pandora's box of REAL positionless basketball

[PhilBlackson]

Suggs will be good. I don’t think he has the measurements or skill set to ever be a superstar tho I think all star is attainable. Barnes might never actualize it, but there’s no doubt that he has much higher potential. For a team that has been able to find high end role players and even a star in every spot in the draft, you absolutely take the upside pick when you get 4

Suggs potential is basically the same as Ja's potential. Both are legit All Stars in the making, but in order for them to crack superstar, they need to develop their shooting to be like Lilard, Curry, Trae.

As of now, Suggs is in the Wall, Lowry tier.

Who really knows though, some random player in the 2nd round can become a superstar and everyone is just kicking themselves why they didn't draft this guy. You never know.

As for this draft.

I think Green will be the best scorer.
Cade supposedly has the clutch gene like Kyrie
Mobley is probably the most dominant
Suggs probably one of the most well rounded (the guy is like a B+ all the way around except for shooting)
Barnes is a ????

Barnes actually had the most well rounded stats sooooo....

[Vampirate]

Suggs will be good. I don’t think he has the measurements or skill set to ever be a superstar tho I think all star is attainable. Barnes might never actualize it, but there’s no doubt that he has much higher potential. For a team that has been able to find high end role players and even a star in every spot in the draft, you absolutely take the upside pick when you get 4

Suggs potential is basically the same as Ja's potential. Both are legit All Stars in the making, but in order for them to crack superstar, they need to develop their shooting to be like Lilard, Curry, Trae.

As of now, Suggs is in the Wall, Lowry tier.

Who really knows though, some random player in the 2nd round can become a superstar and everyone is just kicking themselves why they didn't draft this guy. You never know.

As for this draft.

I think Green will be the best scorer.
Cade supposedly has the clutch gene like Kyrie
Mobley is probably the most dominant
Suggs probably one of the most well rounded (the guy is like a B+ all the way around except for shooting)
Barnes is a ????

Barnes actually had the most well rounded stats sooooo....

lol

What I mean is Barnes potential is hard to predict.

I'm pretty sure we have an idea of what Suggs, Mobley, Green and Cade turn into.

Barnes though is hard to predict.

Barnes has the floor of a rich man's Draymond with the ceiling of a poor man's Kawhi with legit point guard skills (which is still a superstar).

If the guy can score and dominate anything like Kawhi it'll only open up his passing game. Best case scenario obviously, not guaranteed to get there.

Another obvious thing is the Raptors don't have to deal with Kawhi's annoying baggage.

This isn't a Clipper thread but Kawhi feels like a time bomb.

[HumbleRen]

Suggs potential is basically the same as Ja's potential. Both are legit All Stars in the making, but in order for them to crack superstar, they need to develop their shooting to be like Lilard, Curry, Trae.

As of now, Suggs is in the Wall, Lowry tier.

Who really knows though, some random player in the 2nd round can become a superstar and everyone is just kicking themselves why they didn't draft this guy. You never know.

As for this draft.

I think Green will be the best scorer.
Cade supposedly has the clutch gene like Kyrie
Mobley is probably the most dominant
Suggs probably one of the most well rounded (the guy is like a B+ all the way around except for shooting)
Barnes is a ????

Barnes actually had the most well rounded stats sooooo....

lol

What I mean is Barnes potential is hard to predict.

I'm pretty sure we have an idea of what Suggs, Mobley, Green and Cade turn into.

Barnes though is hard to predict.

Barnes has the floor of a rich man's Draymond with the ceiling of a poor man's Kawhi with legit point guard skills (which is still a superstar).

If the guy can score and dominate anything like Kawhi it'll only open up his passing game. Best case scenario obviously, not guaranteed to get there.

Another obvious thing is the Raptors don't have to deal with Kawhi's annoying baggage.

This isn't a Clipper thread but Kawhi feels like a time bomb.

Such a unique prospect. I’d feel a lot better predicting his ceiling if he was a better athlete

[Rebel INS]

Suggs will be good. I don’t think he has the measurements or skill set to ever be a superstar tho I think all star is attainable. Barnes might never actualize it, but there’s no doubt that he has much higher potential. For a team that has been able to find high end role players and even a star in every spot in the draft, you absolutely take the upside pick when you get 4

Suggs potential is basically the same as Ja's potential. Both are legit All Stars in the making, but in order for them to crack superstar, they need to develop their shooting to be like Lilard, Curry, Trae.

As of now, Suggs is in the Wall, Lowry tier.

Who really knows though, some random player in the 2nd round can become a superstar and everyone is just kicking themselves why they didn't draft this guy. You never know.

As for this draft.

I think Green will be the best scorer.
Cade supposedly has the clutch gene like Kyrie
Mobley is probably the most dominant
Suggs probably one of the most well rounded (the guy is like a B+ all the way around except for shooting)
Barnes is a ????

Barnes is more likely than Mobley to be the best defender in this class imo - Mobley's ability to add strength and defend post ups is as big a question mark as Barnes ability to develop a shot. Mobley's shot blocking potential is self evident, but imo Barnes potential for being a dynamic and disruptive pressure defender makes his defensive ceiling more interesting in a perimeter oriented league. Speaking strictly about the defensive side of the ball, Kawhi level overall impact and disruption > AD in the modern nba

Another superlative for Barnes- most likely to be most dynamic transition threat, generating turnovers and immediately starting the break

[Rebel INS]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CSvDBu_HFzM/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

Scottie working on his fadeaway

Interesting that the Barnes stuff on his trainers insta is exclusively clips of shooting, pullups, fadeaways and drives. Ie; prototypical star scoring wing skills

Obviously that's just what's posted to insta, but just the fact these are the only parts of training they choose to show is interesting. Seems like Barnes and his guys already have a clear vision for what he wants to develop into offensively. Its clearly not Draymond

[720]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CSvDBu_HFzM/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

Scottie working on his fadeaway

Interesting that the Barnes stuff on his trainers insta is exclusively clips of shooting, pullups, fadeaways and drives. Ie; prototypical star scoring wing skills

Obviously that's just what's posted to insta, but just the fact these are the only parts of training they choose to show is interesting. Seems like Barnes and his guys already have a clear vision for what he wants to develop into offensively. Its clearly not Draymond

I remember one of the clips before he got drafted was of him practicing his side step into step back jumpshot. A little advanced for where he is offensively in game but it's good that he's getting into that deep higher level offense.

[Rebel INS]

Such a unique prospect. I’d feel a lot better predicting his ceiling if he was a better athlete

lol I know his game 'looks' less athletic, and combine measurements really only measure how athletic you are at combine drills, but at the end of the day Barnes combine numbers would basically make him close to the top performing SF in any combine from the last 20 years

Just for fun, plugged in some random years and filtered for players listed at SF on NBA.com's database. at semi-random just pulled some names I recoginized as guys who are known as "athletes"

Jason Richardson - Identical max vert, shorter standing vert, slower lane agility and 3.12 s vs. 3.15 s in 3/4 sprint
Dwyane Wade- lower max and standing vert, 10.56 v 10.88 lane agility, 3.08 v 3.15 sprint
Demar Derozan- worse numbers across the board (even max vert)
Terrence Ross- worse numbers across the board
Tyrus Thomas- worse everything and identical max vert
Kawhi Leonard- worse at everything besides sprint which was identical (tbf Kawhi maybe more known for freak measurements vs. run and jump athleticism, but had to include this one)

Now is Scottie Barnes faster with a ball in his hands than prime DWade? Obviously not. And TBF none of these measurements really seem to approximate explosiveness of a first step

But overall, its kind of crazy to look at how freakish Barnes combine was in the big picture - especially his sprint and agility numbers being better than true shooting guards 30 pounds lighter than him

[vulture]

The one thing that impresses me about Scottie is his spatial awareness in the half court. He's always moving from the corner to above the break and the dunker spot. Most rookies have no idea what to do without the ball and this is where his feel for the game is most impressive.

[Dalek]

https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/p77ps1/scottie_in_raptors_black/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Maybe it's just me but a 20 year old NBA rookie shouldn't look like this.

Every time I see Scottie looking ripped and showing that kinda goofy sly smile, he reminds me of Dwight Howard. Those guys that smile while killing you are the best.

[WuTang_CMB]

I legit can’t wait until we see a test line up of Banton, OG, Barnes, Pascal, and Precious.

Might be ugly basketball….but I really want to see the freak show.

nick nurse

[HumbleRen]

Such a unique prospect. I’d feel a lot better predicting his ceiling if he was a better athlete

lol I know his game 'looks' less athletic, and combine measurements really only measure how athletic you are at combine drills, but at the end of the day Barnes combine numbers would basically make him close to the top performing SF in any combine from the last 20 years

Just for fun, plugged in some random years and filtered for players listed at SF on NBA.com's database. at semi-random just pulled some names I recoginized as guys who are known as "athletes"

Jason Richardson - Identical max vert, shorter standing vert, slower lane agility and 3.12 s vs. 3.15 s in 3/4 sprint
Dwyane Wade- lower max and standing vert, 10.56 v 10.88 lane agility, 3.08 v 3.15 sprint
Demar Derozan- worse numbers across the board (even max vert)
Terrence Ross- worse numbers across the board
Tyrus Thomas- worse everything and identical max vert
Kawhi Leonard- worse at everything besides sprint which was identical (tbf Kawhi maybe more known for freak measurements vs. run and jump athleticism, but had to include this one)

Now is Scottie Barnes faster with a ball in his hands than prime DWade? Obviously not. And TBF none of these measurements really seem to approximate explosiveness of a first step

But overall, its kind of crazy to look at how freakish Barnes combine was in the big picture - especially his sprint and agility numbers being better than true shooting guards 30 pounds lighter than him

I know all about his measurements but it never shows in game. He never looks like the most explosive guy on the court and that’s fine and all but you can’t get away with bully ball at the next level without a jump shot, especially when you aren’t a strong finisher.

I’m glad he’s aware of his weaknesses and is working on it though.

[WuTang_CMB]

https://www.tsn.ca/NBA/video/he-was-all-over-the-place-brown-lists-barnes-among-his-summer-le~2262896

[Rebel INS]

Such a unique prospect. I’d feel a lot better predicting his ceiling if he was a better athlete

lol I know his game 'looks' less athletic, and combine measurements really only measure how athletic you are at combine drills, but at the end of the day Barnes combine numbers would basically make him close to the top performing SF in any combine from the last 20 years

Just for fun, plugged in some random years and filtered for players listed at SF on NBA.com's database. at semi-random just pulled some names I recoginized as guys who are known as "athletes"

Jason Richardson - Identical max vert, shorter standing vert, slower lane agility and 3.12 s vs. 3.15 s in 3/4 sprint
Dwyane Wade- lower max and standing vert, 10.56 v 10.88 lane agility, 3.08 v 3.15 sprint
Demar Derozan- worse numbers across the board (even max vert)
Terrence Ross- worse numbers across the board
Tyrus Thomas- worse everything and identical max vert
Kawhi Leonard- worse at everything besides sprint which was identical (tbf Kawhi maybe more known for freak measurements vs. run and jump athleticism, but had to include this one)

Now is Scottie Barnes faster with a ball in his hands than prime DWade? Obviously not. And TBF none of these measurements really seem to approximate explosiveness of a first step

But overall, its kind of crazy to look at how freakish Barnes combine was in the big picture - especially his sprint and agility numbers being better than true shooting guards 30 pounds lighter than him

I know all about his measurements but it never shows in game. He never looks like the most explosive guy on the court and that’s fine and all but you can’t get away with bully ball at the next level without a jump shot, especially when you aren’t a strong finisher.

I’m glad he’s aware of his weaknesses and is working on it though.

I think it might just come down more to skill development and polish (and general tempo/playstyle which isn't necessarily bad thing), but the raw athletic horsepower is there imo. You see it when he's sprinting back on defense or running in transition.

The one thing I'll say for his shot creation and scoring, is that I think those awkward looking "bully ball" push shots and hooks might be more translatable than people think. He might not be playing college kids anymore, but his 9 foot standing reach is still freak amongst freaks and he can still get shots up over the majority of perimeter matchups without a switch. He doesnt need to power through guys as long as he can shoot over them

Imo just developing consistent touch on those awkward looking shots is his immediate path forward to being some kind of scoring threat in the halfcourt for his first season or 2 (nothing crazy, just getting him around 10ppg) until his jumper comes along

[Raps in 4]

Suggs will be good. I don’t think he has the measurements or skill set to ever be a superstar tho I think all star is attainable. Barnes might never actualize it, but there’s no doubt that he has much higher potential. For a team that has been able to find high end role players and even a star in every spot in the draft, you absolutely take the upside pick when you get 4

Suggs potential is basically the same as Ja's potential. Both are legit All Stars in the making, but in order for them to crack superstar, they need to develop their shooting to be like Lilard, Curry, Trae.

As of now, Suggs is in the Wall, Lowry tier.

Lowry was a much better player than Wall.

[bon]

I honestly don't disagree with what he is saying about both Barnes and Suggs. Barnes is a willing passer, but like he said, there are times when his passes are at guys feet or a bit late. I am not quite sure he is ready to be considered above average as a passer. He does have a positive assist-to-turnover ratio, so that bodes well but he is also a pretty low usage guy compared to the top picks so numbers don't tell the whole story.

I haven't really seen that at all. It's mostly Freddie dropping perfectly fine passes. Scottie has pretty consistently made good reads, even tallying a number of hockey assists.

[YelloC]

I could see this team leading the league in blocked 3s.
If we can corral the ball after the blocked 3s, we could have any player on the floor bring the ball up with strong wings running the lane. Precious ball handling could be a game changer that I wasn’t expecting.

[God Squad]

https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/p77ps1/scottie_in_raptors_black/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

God damn that's a big boy. Already looks like he got that "grown man" strength.